posted May 11, 2009 11:36 AM         

Astrological skeptics believe that we identify with our tropical zodiac charts because of the Forer Effect.

The Forer effect (also called personal validation fallacy or the Barnum Effect after P. T. Barnum's observation that "we've got something for everyone") is the observation that individuals will give high accuracy ratings to descriptions of their personality that supposedly are tailored specifically for them, but are in fact vague and general enough to apply to a wide range of people. The Forer effect can provide a partial explanation for the widespread acceptance of some beliefs and practices, such as astrology, fortune telling, and some types of personality tests.

I thought about the possibility of maybe I identify with my tropical zodiac chart because of the Forer Effect.

Then I thought that maybe there are configurations in my chart that might account for me being able to relate to my tropical chart.

It seems that there are great deal of configurations that can account for me to be able to relate to my tropical chart ,and so it may not be the Forer Effect in my case.
Of course, astrological skeptics would say that all the configurations are Forer Effect any way.

Sun in Scorpio
Sun contraparallel Pluto - '42
Sun contraparallel Orcus (large plutino) - '01
Sun conjunct Ixion (large plutino) - '05
Sun conjunct Jupiter/Pluto midpoint - '45
Sun square Pluto/Midheaven midpoint - '42
Sun conjunct Neptune/Pluto midpoint - '33 in Right Ascension
Pluto square Sun/Mars midpoint - '13
(Sun,Mars,Pluto in Golden Section Triangle)
Moon sesquiquadrate Sun/Pluto - '05
Alpha Cancer,Acubens in culminating (becomes active prime year,29 until death) with Sun....themes are life and resurrection

Mercury in Scorpio
(Mercury in Libra constellation which was once known as the Scorpion's Claws .....the theme of the constellation is justice,death,and final judgment)
Mercury conjunct South Heliocentric Mars Node - 1'00
Mercury sextile Geocentric South Pluto Node - '02

Venus in Scorpio,Pluto in Libra
(Venus in Libra constellation which was once known as the Scorpion's Claws .....the theme of the constellation is justice,death,and final judgment)
Venus square Mars - 4'05
Mars is in culminating (becomes active in prime until death) paran with Beta Perseus, Algol, the Gorgon's head, which is intense female passion
Venus trine Orcus (large plutino) - '41
Pluto square Venus/Node midpoint - '17
Midheaven sesquiquadrate Venus/Pluto midpoint - '05
Venus trine Geocentric North Pluto Node - '30

Moon in Pisces
Moon square Neptune - 1'22
Moon oppose Saturn/Neptune midpoint - '17
Moon sextile Sedna (large transneptunian named after Inuit Sea Goddess) - 1'05 ('39 in Right Ascension)
Moon oppose Neptune/Midheaven midpoint - '27 in Right Ascension

Mars in Aquarius
Mars in Aquarius constellation
Uranus oppose Mars/Saturn midpoint - '17
Sun semisquare Mars/Uranus - '15

Jupiter in Sagittarius
Alpha Andromeda,Alpheratz is in rising (become active from birth until death) paran with Jupiter - themes are freedom,love of movement,speed, and the sheer joy of the wind in one's hair.....Alpheratz is aka navel of Pegasus,the winged horse
Alpheratz is also my heliacal setting star
Jupiter trine Chiron - 2'15

Saturn in Gemini
Mercury contraparallel Saturn - '38
Mars oppose Mercury/Saturn midpoint - '50

Uranus in Libra
Uranus semisquare Venus/Jupiter - '15

Neptune in Sagittarius
Jupiter conjunct Neptune - 6'28
Saturn oppose Jupiter/Neptune midpoint - '05
Neptune semisquare Mars/Jupiter midpoint - '17
Jupiter semisquare Neptune/Ascendant midpoint - '39

Virgo Ascendant
Hygeia parallel Ascendant - '20
Chiron contraparallel Ascendant - '21

Are there any configurations in your chart that could account for you being able to relate to your tropical zodiac chart?

I am very curious about people born in the Southern Hemisphere. I wonder what accounts for them to be able to relate to a northern hemisphere season-based zodiac chart.

Raymond

posted May 11, 2009 04:59 PM         

I've noticed that a few of my sign placements are the same as my tropical. For instance my Rising Sign is still Gemini, my Venus is still in Pisces, my Mercury is still in Aquarius (important because my chart ruler is still in the same sign), Saturn/Uranus are still in Sagittarius, Jupiter is still in Aries.

posted May 11, 2009 06:09 PM         

I meant configurations in the chart that might account for me being able to relate to my tropical chart.

for example, I have Moon in tropical Pisces,but it's in the constellation of Aquarius

I have the following configurations that could account for me being able to relate to Moon in Pisces:

Moon square Neptune
Moon oppose Saturn/Neptune midpoint
Moon sextile Sedna
Moon oppose Neptune/Midheaven midpoint in Right Ascension

posted May 11, 2009 06:20 PM         

but I was mainly talking about configurations involving the same object

like Moon in Pisces = Moon square Neptune

Sun in Scorpio = Sun contraparallel Pluto

posted May 11, 2009 06:29 PM         

Moon in Aries = Moon Q Mars.

posted May 11, 2009 08:12 PM         

midpoint pictures could easily account for zodiac configurations.

Like I said before, Uranian Astrologers don't use zodiac signs. Cosmobiologists don't put much emphasis on zodiac signs too. They believe that aspects and midpoint pictures are more insightful than planets,points in signs.

Cosmobiology,Uranian Astrology,and Magi Astrology use midpoints regularly. Noel Tyl does too with the use of looking at zodiac signs.

I believe that soft aspects shouldn't be used with midpoints. The orbs should be no more than 1 1/2 degrees,and that's for the direct midpoints. I use no more 1 degree for the indirect midpoints.

also midpoint pictures are based on harmonics and geometry.

for instance, I have Moon oppose Saturn/Neptune midpoint with 17 minutes of arc. That's because my Moon is square Saturn-Neptune opposition. A t-square which is a 4th harmonic triangle. On a 90 degree dial, it would appear as conjunct.

they don't have to be based on major aspects

for example I have Pluto square Sun/Mars midpoint, but they are not in major aspect to each other

but they are in Golden Section Triangle.

Theodor Landscheidt devised aspects based on golden section

when 3 planets aspect each other to form a golden section triangle, there is a corresponding midpoint picture

BTW there is no need to use exclamation points.

posted May 11, 2009 08:29 PM         

also midpoint pictures involving Sun,Moon,Midheaven,and Ascendant are given considerably more weight.

the basis on geometry and harmonics make midpoints a valid concept.

especially when both signs and houses can be arbitrary.

some say house systems were based on errors

tropical zodiac signs were based on northern hemisphere seasons,but that didn't take into account people living in the southern hemisphere

the sidereal zodiac isn't completely aligned with the 13 zodiac constellations on the ecliptic.

I think that it all comes down to is what one believes and practices.

In that way, Astrology is like a religion.

there are numerous Astrological systems just like there are numerous religions. Like many religions can be valid, so can many astrological systems can be valid.

diversity

I am staying away from the Tower of Babel that Steven Forrest says is going on in the astrological community.

so

to each,his/her own

Raymond