posted May 18, 2009 03:35 PM         

exactly

many people are skeptical of astrology
of course, there are skeptics in Astrological community that are skeptical of other astrological systems

Cosmobiologists are skeptical of house systems and the soft aspects being used for events

Sidereal Astrologers tend to be skeptical of Tropical Zodiac in Astrology and vice versa

Vedic Astrologers are skeptical of Western Astrology and vice versa

sometimes...it's like Eclectic Astrologers vs. Mainstream Astrologers

or Modern Astrologers vs. Old Astrologers

20th century astrologers vs. 21st century astrologers

many traditional Astrologers are skeptical of psychological astrology, thinking that it's watered down

many psychological astrologers are skeptical of astrology for being too fatalistic

there is lot of subjectivity in Astrology

there are many things that astrologers don't agree on

that's one of the main things that skeptics of Astrology point out.

many astrologers have this "Tower Of Babel" attitude or should I say the Eris attitude about what astrological system,method is valid or better. Steven Forrest pointed that out.

heck...I tend to be a psychological astrologer that leans towards transpersonal astrology and is into geometrical astrology in regards to midpoints. I am eclectic with my use of asteroids. I believe that those things work. I have seen them work. That could be my subjectivity. It could be the Forer Effect.

Skeptics of Astrology will argue Forer Effect could account for anything in Astrology that seems to work.

It's all relative imho

there are numerous ways of looking at the sky

the sky isn't 2 dimensional, but we look at charts like the sky is 2 dimensional.

the sky is not the ecliptic longitude. the sky has ecliptic latitude. it has equatorial longitude and latitude. There is also the horizon coordinates.

My mother has close conjunction of her chart ruler,Moon and Vertex in her 5th,and my chart ruler Mercury is conjunct that less than 1 degree. I think that signifies a fated relationship.

Astrologically, the point defined by the western intersection of the prime vertical and the ecliptic, opposite the anti-vertex in the east. Generally, it is the point on a limb of an object farthest from an observer's horizon. The Moon's vertex is used in observations of lunar occultations. The longitude of the Vertex may be computed with the formula: ARCCOT (-((COT f x SIN e) - (SIN RAMC x COS e))/COS RAMC), where e is the obliquity of the ecliptic and f is the angle between the zenith and the RAMC. For the mid latitudes, the position of the vertex with an astrological chart is predictable, occurring one or two houses either side of the Descendant angle. Time of day, time of year, and exact latitude are variables in the position of the Vertex. For subtropical latitudes the position of the Vertex is very erratic, just as the position of the Ascendant is in extreme northern or extreme southern latitudes. For a birth at 0 latitude, the Vertex and the Descendant would be one and the same, as would the Antivertex and the Ascendant. In other words, the Vertex and Equatorial Ascendant axes are one and the same for births at 0 latitude. Jayne observes that the Vertex is the descendant of the horizonal house system. Today, the vertex is generally thought of as a sensitive "relationship point"; an astrologer would look for contacts between the vertex and transits or progressions, or planets in another's chart. For example, one person's vertex in conjunction with another's person's Venus: this establishes a love connection. The vertex has even been noted in horary charts, allying the querent with the quesited person (the ascendant in a horary chart is frequently used in this way). Jayne and Johndro are credited with simultaneously and independently giving the vertex interpretive prominence in astrology. Johndro called the Vertex the "electric ascendant" and Jayne thought of the vertex as the whole Vertex/Antivertex axis, and wrote of its "significant end . . . on the setting side of the chart." Using traditional astrological interpretation of the eastern half of the horoscope as "personal" and the western half as "impersonal" (the split occurring along the Midheaven axis), Jayne called the vertex "the most fated of the three Angles" (the others being the ascendant and midheaven): The vertex is naturally of interest in assessing relocated natal charts, since as the "third angle" of the chart it is sensitive to change. For example, relocation moves Venus from the fifth house to the sixth house, and moves the vertex to a partile conjunction with Venus (where there is a separation of several degrees in the natal chart); relocation, then, involves a sort of double emphasis on relationships, bringing Venus, which relates to love, together with the vertex, a sensitive point in relationships. In this sixth house, this relocated suggests a "nonseparation" of work and love with a very critical element; aspects to this formation would determine the nature and productivity of the criticism.
http://www.gotohoroscope.com/dictionary/astrological/344.html

posted May 18, 2009 03:37 PM         

Vertex is mid Virgo, about 16.

Im not against exploring, just probably against exploring MORE than I have already
No point going over old ground eh?

Taken me years to filter through the mess and get my own way of doing astrology in the brain. No need to start re-learning...yet.

posted May 18, 2009 03:56 PM         

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Transits to the vertex can bring inner and outer events corresponding to a pivotal point, significant encounter with another or a sudden change of perception. The transiting planet activates the symbolism of the vertex, coinciding with a major or minor event. Keeping orbs tight and sticking mainly to the conjunction will bring more consistent results. A transiting conjunction from Mars would likely be more noticeable than a transiting trine from Uranus, although sometimes that is not the case. The magnitude of the effect depends on the prominence of the vertex itself, its relationship to other factors in the chart and the occurrence of other transits, commensurate or disparate. Along with transits, students are encouraged to consider progressions, converse progressions and directions.

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