posted May 29, 2009 05:26 PM         

Can I call you Lilith????

that's amazing

the exact mean black Moon Lilith opposition to the Sun AND true Black Moon Lilith conjunct the IC with 1 degree orb.

Yeah...that makes a lot of sense

I felt strong black Moon Lilith energy from you.

also Sun oppose mean black moon lilith also means that your Sun is conjunct the mean lunar perigree.

true black moon lilith conjunct the Imum Coeli means that you have the true lunar perigree conjunct your midheaven

black moon lilith is the lunar apogee,and its opposite point is lunar perigree. it's an axis based on the moon's orbit just like the lunar nodes.

very powerful lunar influence overall.

I think of Lilith as just another form of the lunar archetype.

posted May 29, 2009 05:31 PM         

I have an empty 5th house , starts on 2 leo-ends on 2 virgo .. rulled by 8th house Sag Sun (borderline 9th house)

Capricorn moon in 10th , squared by mars ....

Chiron Rx in Cancer in 3rd house

posted May 29, 2009 05:51 PM         

I don't want to birth, or adopt them. It's actually one of my biggest fears- getting pregnant. I know that i could never psychologically handle it. The idea of having another human growing inside me makes me want to cry almost...!

posted May 29, 2009 06:13 PM         

but do any of you believe that you had pastlives where you suffered as being mothers....like a pastlife where you had too many responsibilities as a parent...maybe a husband that wouldn't let you do anything,making you take care of the house,forcing you in the traditional female role

I also wonder about pastlives of dying while giving childbirth. maybe pastlives of losing a child prematurely

I find Evolutionary Astrology to be fascinating but speculative. However,it can be insightful.

also some people are just not meant to be parents. Some are just very detached,and there is nothing wrong with that. Detachment,liberation,and enlightenment are strongly connected. That's why in Vedic Astrology, Ketu (South Lunar Node) is rules detachment,liberation,and enlightenment. The 12th house is also associated with those things. Both are also connected to loss and suffering.

there are so many reasons people don't want children.

some are just nonconformists and don't care about tradition. There is nothing wrong with that.

I do wonder about people actually are afraid of being a parent and having children more so than people just don't want to be parent and child with much detachment about the situation.

I am thinking that Saturn is involved in the former and Uranus is involved in the latter.

I also think that the transneptunian objects that Philip Sedgwick referred to as intensified evolutionary objects could figure strongly into evolutionary lessons when it comes to children. I think the dwarf planets in just house alone can be just as significant. Dwarf planet,Pluto definitely is. Eris,Makemake,and Haumea can be that way too.

I think that dwarf planet,Ceres located in the 12th house and toughly aspected could indicate possible issues with being mother, and it could be connected to possible suffering involving one's mother. I have already seen one case.

Ceres in the water houses,in hard aspects could be the same thing too.

posted May 29, 2009 06:23 PM         

I have 12th house Ceres in pisces. Also 12th house Pisces NN (not aspecting Ceres)

Ceres trines my Venus, sextiles my Moon though

I still think it's because of my mother. My moon is cnj Neptune and sextile Pluto. And she's been as much of a victim as she portrayed herself as one. And I never want to be in that position.

I've been told diferent things about my potential past lives and none of them match this particular scenario.

In my case, dare I say, it's the case of a leo 5th house ruled by 8th house sun

posted May 29, 2009 06:46 PM         

Lately, I find I don't think I want them, even though I'm very maternal and think I would make a really good mother. This, ironically, coincides with my progressed AC changing to cancer. Go figure!

posted May 29, 2009 06:47 PM         

You left out the aspect to your Sun

Your Ceres in 20'50 Pisces in 12th square your Sun in 19'41 Sagittarius.

That's a significant aspect. Ceres is prominent with it being aspect to the Sun, but in hard aspect, it can be difficult. The Sun is your 5th house ruler too! So involves children.

another thing

Heliocentric Ceres Nodes are located between 20 and 21 degrees Gemini/Sagittarius

so your Sun conjuncts the Heliocentric South Ceres Node.........collective nurturing,motherhood....the South Node involves releasing as well as past stuff

Ceres squaring its nodes is very significant and can indicate challenges involving nurturing and being a mother

Your Ceres in Pisces in 12th seems to add to the sacrificial theme of your Moon conjunct Neptune.

I do wonder if your Sun square Ceres could indicate possibility of difficulty with men because of the mother or vice versa if looking at Ceres as the mother.

I also wonder if there could be problems with men because of your not wanting to have children,but they do. Sun-Ceres in your chart could indicate nurturing men. It is also possibility that the men in your life could have mother issues too,and so they might look to you for some mothering but also project their mother issues onto you.

Your Sun is in Sagittarius, and that placement is not an indicator for somebody that wants to settle down and have a family. There is love of freedom with that placement.

your Juno is in 8'37 Virgo conjunct your South Lunar Node in 8'08 Virgo in 6th which suggests that you could have been a routine wife in pastwife that worked her butt off,serving the husband. There is trine 9'09 Neptune in Capricorn in 10th,and that suggests that sacrifice was involved,and that you can be very compassionate,idealistic in committed relationships.

Mars in Aries in 12th squaring Neptune indicates possible fear of losing independence connected to possibility of being held down by men in the past as well as sacrificing too much. With your North Lunar Node in Pisces in 12th sextile its dispositor Neptune, it looks that you're meant to have a path of spirituality,inspiration,compassion,and selfless service,doing charitable works.

Your Mars is closely square Midheaven/Imum Coeli axis, and I think that also indicates a highly independent type that could have a hard time settling down.

posted May 29, 2009 07:18 PM         

Saturn squares my Venus which is the ruler of my 5th.

posted May 29, 2009 07:39 PM           

I am just afraid of ending up like my mom and I really don't know what motherly love is and that alone scares me but I have always strongly wanted to be a big sister and I have a tendency to look out for my younger friends, like a guardian.

When I was younger and with my mom she told me how she aborted my sibling.

when she was pregnant again,I was so excited to be a big sister and then she told me that she was not going to have the baby. I felt so let down and alone..even though I have an older half sister,I still feel empty. Also the fact that I am a late abortion and with that I just feel out of place with babies.

My Cancer SN: Trines Pisces Moon and Scorpio Pluto, opposition Juno, Neptune and Black Moon.

Black Moon is in the first house:
Conjucts Juno, (Cap) Ascendant, Neptune(Rx), Uranus(Rx). It's conjucting my first house stellium..>_>;;

Ceres:
Sextile Sun, Uranus, and the Ascendant
Square Saturn, Chiron, and the Vertex

posted May 29, 2009 07:42 PM         

I think I would like to adopt children (nothing to do with angelina jolie though i really do like her).

posted May 29, 2009 09:37 PM         

but in terms of actually being maternal and being the one who always held babies and stuff like that when i was growing up..no i didn't do that stuff.

however, i was an older sibling (not the oldest) and i looked out for them like they were my kids and i look out for my friends so i'm maternal in that way. i looked after my stuffed animals as if they were real.

i think what's weird is that i have no goo-goo ga-ga feelings for animals. i like animals. i love stuffed animals. but i don't care for pets or like love petting dogs and all that.

back to children, i only seriously think about having children and being ready to have children because of where i am in my life. i've reached or am reaching where i wanted to go in my life in terms of my career. as well, i chill with my friends and family, i've been around the world...my life is fine.

posted June 01, 2009 03:15 AM         

I have
Mean Black Moon in Cancer trine Moon/Pluto
Mean Black Moon conjunct my IC in Cancer
Mean Black Moon square Mars
Mean Black Moon opposition Neptune

Juno sextile Jupiter, quintile Moon

True BML opposition my Sun (ruler of my 5th)
True BML trine Lucina

posted June 01, 2009 03:24 AM         

Square Pluto
Oppose Saturn
Square Mercury
Sextile Venus
Semisextile Jupiter
Trine Acendant

Have not checked asteroids.

Hmm. I dunno.

posted March 14, 2010 08:39 PM         

Not sure what could contribute to this astrologically...I have Mars in the 5th house...Mars square Uranus, Mercury, and Saturn. Hmm

posted March 14, 2010 09:50 PM         

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I'm a very nurturing person. I love children and I love taking care of them. However, I feel no instinct to procreate

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MoonPixie - (not sure if you're still around lol), but I am exactly like this.
I am not afraid of procreating either (I feel like anything can happen at any point.. one can have a painful accident for example.. so I don't think avoiding pregnancy - avoids pain.. there are more painful things than pregnancy). I think I'll have a family eventually but not for a decade or so.

Koi,
[uote]Pluto in the 5th has a highly complex relationship to children. It can be a truly Plutonian experience where the heights and depths of human emotions engage.[/quote]

I have this in Scorpio and also SN there.. My relationship with kids is not complex at all. I find it fun and easy. Maybe the 5th only rules my *own* kids?
I wonder if other people's kids are in a different house..

amowls,

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The reason I don't want kids is because I'm a woman and the quickest way to fence yourself in as a woman is to have children. You're tied to them at least for 18 years. People won't hire you if they suspect you're going to get pregnant and leave the company. People fire you once you DO get pregnant because the laws in America regarding maternal/paternal leave are bogus.

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That depends on the job.. and your contract.
I won't have kids prior to my early 30s.. That gives me plenty of time to have the kind of job I want and the financial situation necessary.
I'm fairly happy with the Australian laws on this. When my sis was pregnant, after about a yr she got her job back. She didn't have problems.

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If you get divorced and you're a woman with kids, you're financially f*cked.

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Yes - That's true.. but not if you already planned for that situation and you have money invested and saved - money that is only yours - and that your husband can't touch and is unaware of.

You mentioned adoption.
I've thought about adopting myself.. more so due to the overpopulation situation.

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I need to know that if I want to drop everyhing and move to other side of the world, I can do it, and nobody'll suffer.

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Leila lol – I plan for everything - The blessing & curse of Capricorn planets.. so I'd never just pick up and go. But I love traveling.

posted March 15, 2010 11:52 PM         

We all will eventually die, but, are genes and are traits will survive if we have offspring to pass it down to.

I mean my Gemini Neice is 60% me 40% my Sister.

Normaly I whould say no to children, but the vary reason that you whould be unable to pass your traits and "create another you" makes me wonder a bit now.

I mean if you founded a company whouldn't you want an heir to run the company or take over when you die.

Asumming, you trained your Son the buisness and explained to him how it runs from day one and they have intreset in running it.

Of course there have been some heirs that end up running the company into the ground and others that have gone well because of an heirs that is like there father.