posted June 05, 2009 03:03 PM         

According to : http://www.astrotheme.com/portraits/XP4TwvSwKEAN.htm He was born December 8, 1936 at 12:00 PM in Hollywood Beach, CA (USA)

He was born with a T square involving Neptune in Virgo, Saturn in Pisces and Sun in Sagg. At the time of his death, transiting Saturn was making a conjunction to his Neptune, activating this T square.

Some interesting and lurid details are coming out about his death.

posted June 05, 2009 10:29 PM         

That's the same thing that Michael Huthence from INXS died from. He was my babe..

posted June 07, 2009 05:20 AM         

Keith Carradine has filed reports with the FBI that could lead to the agency's involvement, said Mark Geragos, attorney for the "Kung Fu" actor's half-brother. The FBI confirmed that Carradine's family had contacted the agency.

The family will also seek an independent autopsy by famed forensic pathologist Dr. Michael Baden to determine whether another person could have been involved, Geragos said. Results of an autopsy performed Friday in Bangkok were not expected for at least three weeks.

A chambermaid found Carradine's body Thursday at Bangkok's Swissotel Nai Lert Park Hotel. Thai authorities said they have all but ruled out foul play, based on surveillance footage and interviews with hotel staff that indicate no one was in Carradine's room before he died, said Col. Somprasong Yenthuam, who is heading the investigation.

A grainy photo published on the Saturday cover of the tabloid Thai Rath shows a naked body suspended from a clothes bar in a hotel closet, hands apparently bound together above the head and feet on the floor. The face is blacked out and other areas are obscured.

The paper did not indicate the source of the image, but Thai police said they believed it was a picture of Carradine's body taken by a forensics team.

Keith Carradine said in a statement that the family was "profoundly disturbed by the release in Thailand of photographs taken at the scene of David Carradine's death," and threatened legal action against further distribution.

"The family wants it understood that, per attorney Mark Geragos, any persons, publications or media outlets will be fully prosecuted for invasion of privacy and causing severe emotional distress if the photos are published," the statement read.

The actor's family hopes the body will arrive in Los Angeles by Monday, Geragos said, but he did not give specifics.

Geragos said the family decided to intervene because of conflicting information about Carradine's death and a lack of direct information from Thai authorities.

"All we really know is not much more than what the public knows, and that's disturbing," Geragos said.

Agents were checking with the FBI's legal attache at the U.S. Embassy in Bangkok to see if Thai authorities "are requesting or would welcome FBI assistance in this matter." FBI spokeswoman Laura Eimiller said the agency generally only gets involved in death investigations overseas if a crime is suspected.

Investigators initially said Carradine's body was found "naked, hanging in a closet," causing them to suspect he had taken his own life. But his family, friends and representatives have said they doubt the 72-year-old actor would have killed himself.

Police later said the actor may have died from accidental suffocation or heart failure after revealing that he was found with a rope tied around his wrist, neck and genitals — leading to speculation that Carradine may have engaged in a dangerous form of sex play known as auto-erotic asphyxiation.

But Geragos said he expects the examination by the New York-based Baden, a celebrity among forensic pathologists who frequently consults on high-profile cases, will clear up many unanswered questions.

"It's an amazing thing what a good pathologist can accomplish," Geragos said.

Carradine flew to Thailand last week and began work on a film titled "Stretch" two days before his death. His friends and associates told CNN's Larry King he had a happy marriage, recently bought a new car, and had several films lined up after he finished work in Bangkok.

A martial arts practitioner himself, Carradine was best known for the U.S. TV series "Kung Fu," which aired from 1972-75. He played Kwai Chang Caine, an orphan who was raised by Shaolin monks and fled China for the American West after killing the emperor's nephew in retaliation for the murder of his kung fu master.

Carradine also appeared in more than 100 feature films with such directors as Martin Scorsese, Ingmar Bergman and Hal Ashby. He returned to the top in recent years as the title character in Quentin Tarantino's two-part saga "Kill Bill."

posted June 08, 2009 06:27 PM         

Both his luminaries were significantly afflicted with squares and oppositions.

I'm not great at interpreting aspects on my own, unless with a guidebook. His chart reminds me of Bruce Lee.

I've read the unflattering document and article.

What am I to say...? After all he was a human being who suffered in his way.

Criminal investigation-wise, and the autopsy...the death scene...

Auto-Erotic Asphyxiation...

Looks like a case I should keep myself updated for.

I sound stupid because I haven't been sleeping.

It does look like a skeleton in his closet. Reminds me of my own skeleton in my own closet.

Worth investigating.

D

posted June 10, 2009 05:57 AM         

I wonder why so few of us LL members have posted on this thread- is it because D Carradine is mostly considered a has-been by others here at LL (except for his big-time come-back in the "Kill Bill" saga in the recent years) and the rest of us just don't care?

Or is it because his death is too disturbing that other LL members do not feel like commenting on this thread? I am certainly very curious about why this thread has drawn so little attention.

GypseeWind,

I can relate when you talked about his heart-warming smile- bear in mind that he had Moon in Libra, and that's how you recognize people with Libra Moon- a gorgeous smile is always a trade mark for these individuals. Of course, there are subtle and complicated mechanisms that seem to overlap for lunar Librans, solar Librans and as well as Mars in Libra natives. However, this is not the focus on the subject matter here.

I got a better view of his birth chart at Astro.com- Carradine had 5 favorable aspects vs. 8 unfavorable ones in his nativities. Apart from his Mutable T-square consisting of his Sag Sun in the 9th conj MC, Pisces Saturn conj AC in the 1st, and Virgo Neptune (detrimental), his chart ruler, conj DC in the 7th- he also almost had a Cardinal grand square, though it was not: he had Cancer Pluto in the 5th square Libra Moon in the 7th; Moon square Venus in Capricorn in the 11th; Venus square Taurus Uranus (in fall) in the 2nd (again, in fall; his Uranus was doubly in fall); Uranus square Pluto, and Venus opposition Pluto. Because there was no opposition between his Moon and his Uranus, therefore there was no grand square, but it was a very close one.

Carradine was a stellium 7th houser, with Neptune in Virgo, also his chart ruler, and his Libra Moon conj Libra Mars- this conjunction was afflicted by his Pluto and his Venus.

I haven't seen anything notable in his horoscope, to be perfectly honest- that probably has to do with my lack of proficiency in interpreting aspects and charts all by myself.

His Sag Sun in the 9th conj MC was the most elevated placement in his chart.

His Pluto in the 5th was exalted, but in fact, this is a difficult placement, as it signifies turbulent romantic or sexual relationships. But this is not the defining aspect. I've seen someone else with not only Pluto, but also Uranus in her 5th.

His Jupiter in Capricorn (in fall) in the 10th (again, in fall) formed a trine with his double in fall Uranus, though.

Carradine had not only Sag Sun in H9 square his chart ruler, Virgo Neptune in H7- he also had his Sagittarius Mercury (detrimental; for the Mercury is exalted in Aquarius school, to which I belong, Mercury in Sagittarius is the worst sign for Mercury- not Pisces) square his Neptune. The double squares of his Neptune look like bad news to me (Barack Obama shares the same double squares with Carradine). He had a very, very afflicted Pluto, involving a square with Moon, another with Uranus, and an opposition with Venus, while his Venus also afflicted his already quite afflicted Moon and Uranus.

When both the luminaries are badly afflicted in a person's natal chart, as was the case of Carradine, this usually signifies death under unusual, disturbing, even violent circumstances. Bruce Lee had a chart that looks even more disturbing than Carradine's- but their issues were not quite similar.

To my mind, David Carradine's death is a typical case of one of those mystery cases.

D

posted June 10, 2009 02:25 PM         

Venus-Pluto opposition - Venus rules the 8th House of Sexuality. Tense Venus-Pluto aspects on the most basic level gives us the "Wh0re -Nun syndrome" even when it's not related to one of the sexuality houses.

His other sexuality house, the 5th House of Romantic Sexuality, is ruled by the Moon. Although his Moon is easily supported by the sextile of Sun, Mercury and Mars, it is also Quindecile (165 degrees) by Uranus adding the eccentric, innovative and adventurous energies to his sex life.

Pluto being located in the 5th House can add to the depth of sexual intensity. At first I wanted to dispute that because I have Pluto in my 5th House along with Uranus in conjunct BUT my Pluto uses and stirs up the virginal energy of Virgo so it's really a different 5th House Pluto animal.

I keep going back and forth between whether he was murdered or whether he was participating in some dangerous sex-play with another partner or partners. And if he was murdered, I think it was by mistake. Even though sex-workers all over the world offer very different kinds of services, I believe that in the eastern culture you can participate in or receive special services that you really can't find anywhere else on earth and someone who was as worldly and had a deep knowledge of eastern cultures like David Carradine had, it wouldn't surprise me if he hired someone to help him do this. If he was mistakenly asphyxiated too long, this might have made the other partner/worker run. Especially because he was an american celebrity.

There are a few legitimate articles/interviews with his ex-wife circulating the internet where she admits that he had a dark sexual side and that he even had an incestuous relationship with a member of his family. She would not mention the name of the family member but she said that the family member confirmed the relationship. She mentioned the incest because she claimed that it was present through out her marriage with him.

posted June 11, 2009 02:48 AM         

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I really enjoyed your take, D for Defiant.

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Really? I'm flattered. The way I analyze birth charts and aspects is rather textbook-oriented, and I cannot provide much insight, you know...I did tried, though.

Belage, you would need to use the services of Photobucket.com to make the charts you post remain valid. I personally still have problems with the technical things of Photobucket.com

Loveglobin,

I've been suspecting that maybe the majority of us here at LL feel the case of David Carradine's death too creepy, weird, plain disturbing...like what you said. I am surprised if that is really the case as we at LL are supposed to be very interested in cases like this one, aren't we?

Geocosmic* Valentine,

I do appreciate your interpretations. However, I don't understand why you said "Venus rules the 8th house of sexuality"? I thought Venus ruled both the 7th and the 2nd houses, the former has to do with mainly relationships, partnerships, marriage, and the latter mainly has to do with personal finances? I thought it was Pluto and Mars which co-ruled the 8th house, the house of sex, sexuality, joint-finances, death and regeneration?

I failed to notice the fact that in David Carradine's natal chart, the 3 major placements in any given individual's- including both the luminaries, which is the Sun and the Moon, and the third one, I consider it to be Pluto. Take my bf for example- he was born on October 14, 1975, in Tokyo, Japan at 2:40AM (you can take a look at his horoscope and you might find it fascinating). He's been through hideous things the past couple of years. Both his luminaries are afflicted, with Sun in the 2nd opposition Aries Jupiter in the 8th, along with Sun conj Mercury in Libra rx, and Mercury in the 2nd opposition Jupiter in the 8th, and Mercury in H2 also opposition Aries Chiron in H8; my bf's Aqua Moon in H5 is part of his Fixed T-square, with his Moon oppostion Leo Saturn in H11, Saturn square Scorp Uranus in H2, and Moon square Uranus, with Uranus being the point focus in my bf's nativities. I consider his Fixed T-square "triple morbid connotations"- as he has Moon in Aquarius in the 5th house, and the co-rulers of his Moon are exactly Uranus and Saturn, with Moon in the 5th, in the house whose ruler is the sign Leo- and let us see that my bf's Moon happens to form an opposition to one of his Moon's co-ruler, Saturn- in the sign Leo, the ruler of the house where his Moon is; and both his Moon and his Saturn form squares with his Uranus in Scorp in the 2nd- another co-ruler of his Moon. His Uranus's ruler is the sign Scorpio, which rules the 8th house, where his Aries Jupiter and Aries Chiron are, both form oppositions to his retrograde Mercury, while his Jupiter also forms an opposition with his Sun. However, there happens to be at least one, sometimes more than one, trine, to each of his afflicted placement- my bf has Moon trine Mercury and Moon trine Pluto; Saturn trine Neptune; Mars trine Uranus; Sun trine Mars; Jupiter trine Neptune- in my opinion, all these trines significantly negate his heavily afflicted luminaries. Plus, my bf's Pluto is not afflicted, unlike David Carradine, whose Sun, Moon, and Pluto were all seriously afflicted.

Carradine had his Sag Sun in H9 conj MC as the point focus of his Mutable T-square- albeit his Sun did sextile his Moon and Mars, there were no trines to assist his Sun. His Pluto was extremely afflicted, and with absolutely no trines or other favorable aspects to add positive assistence. Although Carradine had Moon in Libra, he did have Moon in Libra conj Mars in Libra, plus his Moon was heavily afflicted- one of the negative Moon aspects was Moon square Pluto- and all this signify that he had a violent temperament, or I should say a violent temper.

Carradine also had Sag Sun in H9 conj MC (most elevated) opposition Gemini Chiron in H4 conj IC.

At any rate, Belage, I appreciate your feedback, but I've been so very lazy all these years when it comes to studying astrology, therefore I cannot provide much unique insight. My level is quite preliminary. So far I have yet to see anything worth noting in David Carradine's birth chart- all I can see at the moment is that his Sun, Moon, and Pluto were all heavily afflicted, with Pluto having absolutely no positive aspects to help ease the tension, and little help between his Sun and his Moon. Apart from what's been mentioned above, I don't seem to have the ability to really read his chart. I haven't even learned how to compare one's natal chart with the transit chart on the day of the given individual's death, or serious mishap. I just know that Carradine's Sun, Moon and Pluto were all afflicted- I am repeating myself!

[EDITED TO ADD:] David Carradine had no final dispositor.

I will keep following the updates of his case. I think this is a classic mystery case.

D

posted June 11, 2009 09:36 AM         

You're correct that ordinarily Venus rules the 2nd and 8th Houses, but in David Carradine's Placidus chart, the way the houses overlay Venus is ruling his 3rd House of communication and his 8th House of sexuality. Even though the 8th House also rules death, taxes and finances, it also rules sexuality.

If you're thinking that the 5th House only rules sexuality, that's not true. The 5th House rules more of a romantic kind of sexuality. The 8th House rules a deeper mor spiritual yet complicated version of sexuality connected to the worth of other people, sexuality connected to money, sex as a resource, sex connected to power, death, intensity, mystery, all kinds of stuff.

Maybe we're using different types of charts. I always use the Placidus chart which is the default chart at Astro.com.

posted June 12, 2009 01:20 AM         

David Carradine, in fact, had 3 T-squares in his birth chart: a Mutable T-square, a Cardinal T-square, and a two-thirds Cardinal, one-third Fixed T-square.

Geocosmic* Valentine,

[EDITED TO ADD:] Sorry about getting your name wrong. I've already corrected it.

Thanks. I'm grateful for your encouragement.

Hopefully I didn't spell it wrong.

Belage, thanks for posting the chart again.

posted June 12, 2009 06:05 AM         

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You're correct that ordinarily Venus rules the 2nd and 8th Houses,

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Well, I meant ordinarily Venus co-rules the 2nd and the 7th houses. I believe that was also what you meant?

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but in David Carradine's Placidus chart, the way the houses overlay Venus is ruling his 3rd House of communication and his 8th House of sexuality.

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I don't get it- but I want to. "The way the houses overlay, Venus is ruling his 3rd house of communication and his 8th house of sexuality"...could you please educate me further on this part of astrological knowledge? I am totally confused. I'm not saying all this merely to disagree with you, though. It's just I don't understand, but I would like to- very much.

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Even though the 8th House also rules death, taxes and finances, it also rules sexuality.

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But of course the 8th house rules sexuality!

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If you're thinking that the 5th House only rules sexuality, that's not true.

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No, I had not been thinking that the 5th house only rules sexuality. As far as I know, the 5th house rules mainly romance, children, recreation, and sex- but in a way that's more on the side of romance and recreation, instead of on the darker, or more profound side of sex.

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The 5th House rules more of a romantic kind of sexuality.

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I cannot agree more. That is exactly what I have been taught about the 5th house.

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The 8th House rules a deeper mor spiritual yet complicated version of sexuality connected to the worth of other people, sexuality connected to money, sex as a resource, sex connected to power, death, intensity, mystery, all kinds of stuff.

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Absolutely! Both the 5th house and the 8th house rule sex- in its different aspects, however. The nature of sexuality ruled by the 5th, as we have discussed above, is more romance-oriented, or recreation-oriented; the 8th house, on the other hand, rules the other side of sex and sexuality described quite comprehensively by you. Nonetheless, I would also like to emphasize that 8th house sexuality has more to do with the unseen, yet-to-be-explored spiritual mystery that sex is power; the kind of sexuality concerning the enigmatic, ultimate highest powers, linking with completion, followed by death, and regeneration, or rebirth. The 8th house sex and sexuality has a lot more to do with its mystic side than its romantic and recreational one.

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Maybe we're using different types of charts. I always use the Placidus chart which is the default chart at Astro.com.

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On the contrary- I think we are using the same type of charts- as I always use the Placidus charts at Astro.com as well.

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Also (I'm shaking my finger at you gently), stop calling yourself lazy, you're doing some pretty rockin' interpretations on here. This is a lot of work, D. You're not lazy at all. This stuff takes time, especially when you want to get it right.

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A heartfelt thank you, Geocosmic* Valentine. I am truly flattered. I didn't realize that I had been doing some pretty rockin' interpretations...??? See? That's why I have problems comprehending your interpretations, exactly because my level is far from advanced. This is perfect proof that I am not experienced enough in the field of astrology. I first started my journey with western astrology when I was a fifth grader ( I tend to refrain from mentioning chronological age), and now I've spent nearly two decades playing with astrology and I still know too little. Had I been more conscientious, my present level of astrological knowledge would be truly rocking!!! I am not saying this merely to argue with you, though. I appreciate your positive feedback- I am just so very overwhelmed and in disbelief.

This post is quite long; to avoid glitches, I will continue my input for the day in my next post, though it's not going to be anything inspirational- I doubt it would be.

D

posted June 12, 2009 06:22 AM         

David Carradine had Sagittarius Sun conj MC, the most elevated, in the 9th house- the house co-ruled by Sagittarius and Pisces. I think his Sun sign (Sagittarius) and his Sun house position (the 9th, co-ruled by Sagittarius and Pisces) came as double Sagittarius influence and thereby intensified his Sagittarius and the 9th house nature and connotations. [EDITED TO ADD:]Expansion, long distance travel, philosophy, higher education or higher learning, foreign countries, religion or atheism...[EDITED TO ADD:]while on its negative side, Sagittarius and the 9th house also rule grandiosity, sometimes to the extent of grandiose delusion; fanaticism of any sort, with a particular inclination to religious fanaticism, or atheistic fanaticism; the Messiah complex; the holier-than-thou attitude...all things ruled by Sagittarius, the 9th house, and Jupiter (on a lesser level, also Neptune).

Carradine's most noticeable T-square is his Mutable T-square, with his Sun being the point-focus.

His second one, a Cardinal T-square, consists of Moon in Libra in the 7th, Pluto in Cancer in the 5th, and Venus in Capricorn in the 11th, with his Moon being the point-focus for this particular T-square.

Carradine's least noticeable T-square- his third one, cannot be easily categorized as either "Cardinal", "Fixed", or "Mutable". Nevertheless, it is a T-square- formed with his Pluto, Venus and Uranus in Taurus, with his Uranus being the point-focus (oh no! I am running out of my online time again! I've only got fewer than four minutes left, and I must get offline and go home in time for supper and a good night's sleep!).

Carradine's Pisces rising made his chart ruler to be Neptune in Virgo in his 7th, and his chart ruler afflicted his 1st house Saturn in Pisces with an opposition, and also another opposition with his Ascendent. At the time of his death, transiting Saturn in Virgo conjunct his chart ruler, Neptune in Virgo, and the former opposed his 1st house Saturn- looks like double trouble to me. According to the approximate time of his death, at the time of his passing, he was having his lunar return.

D