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posted June 06, 2009 01:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for meta_4     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So... i just noticed on astro.com there is an option for a "Persona Chart". I googled it, and i think it's VERY interesting.

Does anyone have any experience or greater knowledge about these babies? Do you just read them like a natal chart?

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posted June 06, 2009 03:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm curious about this, too! Has anyone ever tried using one??

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posted June 06, 2009 04:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know that two German astrologers believe they are significant.
They are said to give a clearer picture of an area of life / a planet.

For example: For partnerships you would look at your Venus or 7th house ruler persona chart.
I think you can read it like a natal. Yes, but only regarding "Venus-things".

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posted June 06, 2009 04:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh! I'm experimenting. These are nicer than I'd feared.

These are really fun and interesting--astro.com will throw a "persona chart" for anything you want...for your NN or your Vertex or your Eros, for example.

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posted June 06, 2009 04:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmmm... there's a persona chart and also 9 personas chart. Which one are we talking about here? And what's the difference?

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posted June 06, 2009 04:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Izo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The difference is that the "9 persona chart" option does the charts only for the 9 planets. "Persona chart" does the charts for everything showing in the chart (like angles or asteroids). But you'll need to select them from another bar, after the chart is shown. It usually starts showing the Moon persona chart.

I personally love them. You need a VERY accurate birthtime if you want to play with them, especially if you want to do angle charts. I used them for my MC persona chart when I had to pick my medical specialty and was confused. I think my MC persona chart does show my choice.
They're also very useful for those who have peregrine planets, for example, because you can't tell all that much from the natal, since the planet is unaspected, but doing a chart for that planet surely says a lot more.

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posted June 06, 2009 04:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The one that just says "persona chart" is really great.

You can throw a chart for someone's name asteroid!

It seems like a good way to look at how best to work with a particular planet's energy in your life.

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posted June 06, 2009 05:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for meta_4     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Izo,

That's how i stumbled onto them- i've really been stressing out about my career lately. You see, i want to be an actor (not famous!) but the older i get, the more pressure i feel.

I looked up my MC chart, but i have no frick'n idea how to interpret the bloody thing. There's really not much information on google...

So how did you find your specialty in your chart? How do you read your "Career" as a natal?

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posted June 06, 2009 09:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vertiver     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here is a definition of a persona chart, it might help you if you're confused about the chart, which I seem to be. My Jupiter persona chart really amazes me though, I'll have to study it for a while. Its got na exact yod or finger of god with the apex in the 12th house with Jupiter and venus conjunct.

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Persona Chart
The horoscope of an individual planet. It is erected for the first time the transiting Sun forms a conjunction with the natal chart position of a particular planet. This point in time could be thought of as the time of birth for the planet in question. All the planets except the Sun have persona charts and they can shed light on the aspects of the personality the planets represent. This method was developed by the German astrologers Peter Orban and Ingrid Zinnel.

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posted June 06, 2009 09:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I looked into these a while back. I like them.

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posted June 06, 2009 09:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
They're very cool, but nobody knows how to really read them, which sucks.

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posted June 06, 2009 10:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for meta_4     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So basically we've discovered a brand new Mercedes, but no one knows how to drive it... Great...!

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posted June 06, 2009 10:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yup, great analogy, meta4.

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posted June 06, 2009 10:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for meta_4     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
They don't call me meta_4 for nothing.

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posted June 06, 2009 10:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Indeed. You are aptly named!

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posted June 06, 2009 10:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for meta_4     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Diana- is that Scandonavian for "Sexy Tiger Temptress"???

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posted June 06, 2009 11:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Of course! How'd you know that?

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posted June 06, 2009 11:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for meta_4     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lucky guess.

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posted June 07, 2009 03:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Izo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi, Meta!

Natally I checked everything related to the MC. MC sign, planets in the 10th, what houses they rule, what aspects they receive, MC ruler in sign and house, aspects to the MC, aspects to the MC ruler. My career choice is visible in my natal, in my opinion, it just was more clear in the MC persona chart.
In your case, you also have asteroid Actor that you can use. See where it falls in your MC persona chart - does it make aspects to the MC, Sun, Asc? Is it strong, angular? Then also do an Actor persona chart.

You could try posting your natal and MC&Actor persona charts. Maybe other people will have insights about them, as well.

EDIT: Ok, seems I misunderstood the question. You asked how I read my MC persona chart as a natal. Uhm, ok. Well, basically, it was easier in my case, because I had already chosen medicine, all I had to do is pick a field. MC persona chart has Virgo on MC, with Mercury in the 1st conj Asc (requires lots of patience and meticulousity, and skilful hands). In the 10th there was Mars and Venus - Mars for surgery, Venus for plastics. There was no need in my case to look further, it felt very obvious.
The rest of the chart describes my attitude towards my work, how I like to work etc. Like Sun in the 12th, conj Asc. I prefer to keep a low profile at my place of work, but I step out into the light now and again. Also I guess my work does make me proud, when I do it well (Saturn also in the 12th, lots of doubt and second-guessing of my skills, unfortunately).
One other detail I found interesting was ruler of my 5th (Mars) and of my 7th (Venus) in the 10th. I do tend to crush on ppl from work. Most of them tend to be married/almost married, hence Chiron in the 7th.
There would be more, but it gets boring. :P

EDIT 2: Also, don't forget teh Sabians. They're always important.

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Some of my closest friends share some placements with some of my Persona Charts. O.o

My Leo friend is somewhat like my Venus Persona and my Capricorn friend was similiar to my Uranus..

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posted June 07, 2009 06:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You made me curious about my MC persona chart, so I had a look:

ASC on 17 Aries with Jupiter an chiron in the 1st house; Jupiter is on 21 Aries, so widely conjunct.


ASC-ruler Mars is in Gemini in 3rd house widely conjunct asteroid Actor, and both trine retro Mercury in Libra in 7th house.
And sextile that Jupiter and Chiron in 1st house.


Mars / Actor fall into my 7th natal house, opposing natal Sun and Mercury and trine natal Psyche and Talent.


Moon in Cancer on the IC, opposing natal Venus.


Fortuna-Saturn conjunction in 5th house.


Sun-Vertex-Stargazer-Pluto conjunction in Libra in 6th house, falling onto my natal MC and Pluto.


Venus in Leo in 6th house, sextile Mars/ACtor and Mercury.


Persona charts MC is exactly on my natal Venus, which rules my natal Libra-MC!

Persona`s MC-rulr Saturn is in Leo in 5th house conjunct Fortuna squaring Uranus in 7th house (and ruling 12th house).

Asteroid Urania is in Cancer in 4th house and interestingly conjuncts natal Vertex.
Opposes asteroid astrowizard, which falls on my natal Sun-Moon-mp and Antivertex.

Hmm what that mean for my career now?


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posted June 07, 2009 08:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for venusmars     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yes I like learning persona charts http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/200970.html

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posted June 07, 2009 08:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for venusmars     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted June 07, 2009 10:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for meta_4     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Izo,

Thank you for thoroughly explaining that. I looked at my MC Persona with what you said in mine, and it's pretty evident that i am an actor. But that's not the question- i mean, there is no doubt in my mind that this is what i'm going to do..

What i'm worried about is success. Not fame, but success. See, to have a job in the Arts right now, with the way the economy is, is almost like a death sentence- especially for those who aren't well established. I'm just stressing out about getting older and not getting any work, you know? But i'm not sure how you would read success in a Persona chart...?

Here's my MC chart:

Here's my Actor chart:


Thanks a bunch.

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