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Topic: Synastry - DC/AC Conjunction VS DC/Planets Conjunction
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comica23 Knowflake Posts: 134 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 07, 2009 07:57 PM
I've been reading that any planets falling on someone's DC is very meaningful, but I wonder which causes more impact? Having opposed ACs, or having for example someone's Sun on our DC??Personally, I think that the planets are our primary energies, so that any of them falling on someone's DC is meaningful, but then our axis are actually the filter of our energies, so that when there's AC opposition, our overall energies are rather complementary. What do you guys think? Any personal experiences?
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Glaucus Knowflake Posts: 374 From: Sacramento,California Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 07, 2009 08:08 PM
My exgirlfriend and I had a very strong attraction/connection that ended because of her obligations to her mother who has a basic dislike for men because of her bad experiences with my exgirlfriend's father. Our Ascendants were in 16 minutes opposition and a 6 minute contraparallel...so they were in an occultation....or you can say that we eclipse each other. Her Ascendant in Pisces,and my Ascendant in Virgo.
She also had Jupiter square Ascendant,and I have Jupiter square Ascendant...our Jupiters conjunct and her Jupiter square my Ascendant. She also had Venus in Taurus sextile Ascendant,and her Venus trine my Ascendant with 3 minutes of arc. That was the closest of our major aspects in synastry.
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comica23 Knowflake Posts: 134 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 07, 2009 08:25 PM
Glaucus, me and my bf's AC are also opposed/contra-parallel to each other in the Virgo/Pisces signs. And we have both our Neptune/Pluto aspecting our ACs/DCs.If we isolate all the other aspects, do you think that having opposed ACs can be more meaningful than having for example Sun on the other's DC? IP: Logged |
Glaucus Knowflake Posts: 374 From: Sacramento,California Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 07, 2009 08:27 PM
the answer is a resounding YES! Raymond
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comica23 Knowflake Posts: 134 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 07, 2009 08:44 PM
YES!! XDIP: Logged |
Lucia23 Knowflake Posts: 171 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 07, 2009 08:46 PM
I hadn't actually read much about it, but the more I look at couple's synastry, the more I notice that a conjunction between ANY ANGLES exists in almost all the charts of either a)longterm couples who feel mutual love and live together in daily life and b) couples who feel an intense mutual connection.It's not just AC/DC stuff, as you might think. Conjunctions between any mix of the four angles seem equally gluey and significant. In my (totally unscientific and unofficial) experience looking at a number of synastry charts, I've found that angle-to-angle conjunctions are the most surefire indicator of MUTUALITY. I keep seeing charts with planets conjunct the DC where, if I didn't know better, I would read it to mean mutual attraction and mutual connectedness, but sometimes only one person seems to feel it. The importance of personal planets, nodes, or asteroids conjunct the MC/IC in synastry shouldn't be overlooked. Even though MC is supposed to mean career stuff, I think it can really increase the feeling of significance in a romantic connection. It's so hard to test this stuff, because the people whose charts I look at are almost always one of the following: -People who are about to get married and want to know if the partner is their soul mate -People who are in frustrated "he's just not that into you" kinds of relatationships and are looking for astrological confirmation that there's some explanation for the depth of their own feelings In case #2, there usually IS intense synastry that looks like it would be mutual, but sometimes the other person is just not as interested or invested anyway. Maybe it's also that intense people with 8th house or 12th house, Plutonian or Neptunian emphases in their personalities tend to be drawn to astrology, and sometimes the dorks they're attracted to are just blander and more noncommittal. I don't know. But I would look in this order, based on my experience so far comparing synastry to relationships: 1) Conjunctions between any angles 2) Double-whammy North Node conjunctions 3) Double-whammy planet-to-angle conjunctions (A's ASC conjunct B's Sun and B's ASC conjunct A's Sun, for example) 4) One-way planet-to-angle or planet-to-Node conjunctions (and, beware one person really feeling connected, the other not being too into it) 5) Karma and Vertex aspects I think conjunctions of the angles to the Sun-Moon midpoint might be key too, but I haven't looked at those as much. Another thing I've found is that house overlays don't work out the way I might think--lots of times 1st, 5th, 8th, and 7th house connections can be about one-sided obsessions, while 4th, 9th, 10th, or 11th can make the people really want to team up in their daily life. It all depends on the natal charts, and on whether an attraction is mutually activated. Astrology is never the only factor indicating how a relationship will play out and/or whether two people will find each other attractive. However, I do think angle-to-angle conjunctions can be more important than planet to angle conjunctions, just because they're always going to be "double whammies.' IP: Logged |
Dolphin07 Knowflake Posts: 27 From: United States Registered: May 2009
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posted June 07, 2009 08:49 PM
I have my AC in Cancer 2:48 degrees and he has Draconic AC in Capricorn at 2:00 degrees. His natal Ascendant is in Pisces and I have Draconic Sun and Venus in his 7th house. My natal Sun and Venus is in his natal 8th house and his natal venus, valentine and mars are in my natal 8th house. Is it significant with the Natal and Draconic to be opposite ascendant?IP: Logged |
Glaucus Knowflake Posts: 374 From: Sacramento,California Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 07, 2009 08:52 PM
yeah...I agreemy maternal grandfather and maternal stepgrandmother had Ascendant-Ascendant conjunction in Scorpio,and they were married for 40 yrs until my grandfather's death. They had 4 children together. My mother was from a previous marriage which was a sham. My biological grandmother married my grandfather for a allotment check when he was in the Marines. She already had a baby when they met. My biological grandmother wasn't even with my grandfather for a year. it was like they just got together for my mom to be born, and that was it. Raymond
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Lucia23 Knowflake Posts: 171 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 07, 2009 08:57 PM
Definitely significant, Dolphin07.The thing is, what if a couple falls madly in love but they don't have "soulmate" synastry? I've seen it happen, although of course with asteroids, hypothetical space objects, progressions, draco charts, etc etc etc you can almost always find something astrological to support ANY thesis...I mean, give me synastry between any two people and I'll be able to find "soulmate" evidence, or, for that matter, evidence that they might drive each other nuts. What's important is not looking at astrology for proof of something ("my Sun-Venus are conjunct his DC--does this mean we're Destined to be SoulMates?")...what's important is looking at the relationship you already have, and then using the synastry as a tool to best work with the energies as they are manifesting themselves in your unique relationship NOW, in REAL LIFE. The map is not the territory. IP: Logged |
Glaucus Knowflake Posts: 374 From: Sacramento,California Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 07, 2009 09:06 PM
I agree 100 percent with Lucia's wisdom! Raymond IP: Logged |
Lucia23 Knowflake Posts: 171 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 07, 2009 09:11 PM
Thanks Raymond!IP: Logged |
Dolphin07 Knowflake Posts: 27 From: United States Registered: May 2009
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posted June 07, 2009 09:18 PM
Thanks Lucia. I have a lot of other synastry aspects natal to natal with him like Sun-Moon conjunction and Moon-Venus conjunction and also Moon conjunct North Node.IP: Logged |
amowls* Knowflake Posts: 272 From: richmond va Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 07, 2009 09:33 PM
I would think AC/DC would be more binding because it goes both ways. If someone's planet fell on the DSC, only the DSC person would feel it.And 3 out of my 4 most significant romantic relationships had Angle/Angle conjunctions (2 MC/IC, 1 AC/AC). The other one had NN stuff. IP: Logged |
Lucia23 Knowflake Posts: 171 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 07, 2009 09:35 PM
That sounds like great synastry, Dolphin! Which aspects do you both "feel" most? What's the emotional quality of your everyday relationship? Does it feel more exciting and intense, or cozy and stable, or some other way? In my own relationships, I often notice that one or two aspects sum up the overall feel of the relationship. IP: Logged |
comica23 Knowflake Posts: 134 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 07, 2009 09:44 PM
Lucia23, very well said! X3 Great wisdom!And yeah, I also agree that it's important for us to look at the relationship itself first, then using astrology as a tool for better understanding. (although I must confess how I've got too obsessive sometimes lol *cof* X3 ) IP: Logged |
Coffee Knowflake Posts: 471 From: Leeds Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 07, 2009 09:47 PM
Im sure the weird world we live in doesnt help with cutting obsession. Too much astrology isnt a good thing.IP: Logged |
Dolphin07 Knowflake Posts: 27 From: United States Registered: May 2009
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posted June 07, 2009 09:51 PM
We are cozy and intense. His Sun is Sag opposing my Gemini Moon and I have a Scorpio Sun and Venus conjuncting His Scorpio Moon. His Venus in Aquarius trine my Gemini Moon also. These are tight orbs. I think the reason I love his venus Aquarius is I have Draconic Venus conjuncting natal uranus pretty tight and also his venus in my eighth house. We have a lot planets in each others 8th house so we are intense, but also can give each other space too because of uranus. IP: Logged |
Coffee Knowflake Posts: 471 From: Leeds Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 07, 2009 09:52 PM
Opposing ASCs seems a better and more powerful reaction between two people. Natural relationship between Man and Woman - opposites. Or in todays world, between opposing ASC and opposing ASC. Hope Glaucus is happy with that Doing my best to think in terms of everyone. Not discriminating. It can be hard sometimes. IP: Logged |
comica23 Knowflake Posts: 134 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 07, 2009 10:05 PM
I think that opposed ACs can be interpreted as opposed, complementary personalities/attraction. It's like two person that can be very different, yet their overall energies are complementary.IP: Logged |
Lucia23 Knowflake Posts: 171 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 07, 2009 10:11 PM
Sounds great, Dolphin!I notice that strong draco or draco-to-natal aspects give me a feeling of well-being with the person. There's something that feels fated about nodal connections. IP: Logged |
comica23 Knowflake Posts: 134 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 07, 2009 10:38 PM
Talking about obsessions, people need to see if the aspects in the charts (whether natal or synastry/composite) really makes sense in the real life first - only then we can try to use the symbolism of astrology to help us understand/overcome these aspects.IP: Logged |
Lucia23 Knowflake Posts: 171 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 07, 2009 11:24 PM
I agree, Comica23. I wish there was a lot more written about how to work with aspects to improve relationships.IP: Logged |
Coffee Knowflake Posts: 471 From: Leeds Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 07, 2009 11:25 PM
Communication is best for that. Possibly the cause of many break ups. Obviously, house 3.IP: Logged |
Lara Knowflake Posts: 599 From: aspideronmars Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 12, 2009 08:49 PM
I have AC exact conjunct their DC and i vote YES!It's definitely more potent than personal planet on AC/DC. IP: Logged |
comica23 Knowflake Posts: 134 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 12, 2009 09:36 PM
Actually, it's funny how before getting my bf's correct birth time and knowing that our AC's are opposed by a degree, I always thought that we seem to be opposites in some ways.IP: Logged |