posted June 15, 2009 06:51 PM         

(I'm trying to improve my readings of synastry aspects--I'm better with house overlays.)

RELATIONSHIP 1
Person A is on the Left, Person B on the Right
Sun SQR Sun
Sun SXT Ven
Moo CJN Sun
Moo CJN Mer
Moo SXT Ura*
Moo TRI Chi*
Mer SQR Ven
Mer TRI Asc
Mer OPP Mid
Ven TRI Sun
Ven TRI Mer*
Ven SQR Sat
Ven OPP Ura
Ven TRI NN
Ven CJN Chi
Mar SQR Moo*
Mar SQR Sat
Mar TRI Nep
Mar SQR Asc
Mar TRI NN
Jup OPP Jup
Jup SXT Sat
Jup SQR NN*
Sat CJN Moo
Sat SXT Mar
Sat CJN Sat
Sat SQR Plu
Sat OPP Asc
Ura SQR Mar*
Ura SQR Jup
Ura OPP Nep
Ura OPP NN
Nep SXT Ven
Nep SXT Nep
Nep CJN Plu*
Nep SQR Asc
Plu TRI Nep*
Plu SXT Plu
Asc CJN Sun*
Asc CJN Mer
Asc SXT Ura
Asc TRI NN
Asc TRI Chi
Mid SXT Moo
Mid SQR Mer
Mid TRI Mar
Mid SXT Jup
Mid SXT Sat*
NN CJN Moo*
NN SXT Mar*
NN TRI Jup
NN CJN Sat
NN SQR Plu
NN OPP Asc
Chi SXT Ven

RELATIONSHIP 2
Person C on the Left, Person D on the Right
Sun TRI Moo
Sun SQR Mer
Sun SXT Mar
Sun TRI Jup
Sun TRI Sat*
Moo TRI Ven*
Moo CJN Nep
Moo SXT Plu
Mer SQR Sun
Mer TRI Moo
Mer SQR Mer
Mer TRI Jup
Mer TRI Sat
Ven SXT Ven
Mar SQR NN
Jup TRI Mer
Jup SQR Mar
Jup SQR Jup
Jup CJN NN
Sat TRI Moo
Sat SXT Mar
Sat TRI Sat
Sat SXT Asc
Ura SQR Mar
Ura CJN Nep*
Ura SXT Plu
Nep TRI Sun
Nep SXT Ura
Nep SXT Mid
Nep TRI Chi
Plu SQR Ven*
Plu CJN Ura
Plu CJN Mid*
Plu OPP Chi
Asc SQR Moo*
Asc SQR Sat
Asc SXT Nep
Asc CJN Plu
Asc SQR Asc
Mid CJN Moo*
Mid SXT Mar*
Mid TRI Jup
Mid CJN Sat
Mid OPP Asc
NN SXT Mer
NN SQR Mar
NN SQR Jup*
NN OPP NN*
Chi SXT Ven*
Chi OPP Nep
Chi TRI Plu

posted June 17, 2009 02:58 AM         

the 1st one,

sun-B seems to be the dominant partner, their ego is hyped to the max in this relationship, for better or worse, they wield a lot but can also be easily influenced by A, in their ego comfort for example they might let down their guard and listen to A's suggestion and be influenced by this opinion.

moon-B isn't very well supported in this regard, save for a conj to A's nn which would imply, again that the emotional benefit is more for A than B, with all of the harmonious nn for A aspects.

merc venus- mutual aspects [trine and sq] plus moon conj merc so it looks like there's a good enough hint that mentally they will be well matched, plus merc conj asc.

uranus -A sees B as a shock to their system, but in a refreshing way, this plus the sun aspects and it's looking now like A can't help but notice B, but then A's uranus is on B's sn, so they play this role a bit for each other, maybe taking turns riling each other up

it looks like B has natally moon conj saturn opp asc, these planets would need to be supported in synastry so in that regard, neither one is very strong so that's sort of a sour note

btw, i don't really pay attention to the mc in synastry unless there's a conj

posted June 17, 2009 03:33 AM         

Sorry it's hard to read! Can't figure out how to make it easier without posting charts (which would reveal signs, houses, etc.)

posted June 18, 2009 01:21 AM         

sun-merc: hmm C has either a sun merc conj or opp and it squares D's merc, looking only at this, there can be issues regarding C discounting what D has to say, dismisses their comments/observations, if D is really attuned to the water or air element, or if their merc is very strong, well you know the variables, then this will be problematic...but also there are a few trines in the mix [to D's moon jupiter and saturn], and with that being the case i'll say that a lot of the tension that would be there is smoothed out, out of a spirit of generosity and tolerance, although moments of definite miscommunication will still occur. aspects don't really cancel each other out, they're all there it's just a matter of "to what degree". D being saturn trine C's sun will gently guide them in a way to get them to "Act right" but so far i'm seeing that it will be taken with a good heart by C, for the most part, rather than being oblivious or antagonistic, like a sq might do.

ok now i'm seeing there's a DW sun merc square, well at least there's one jupiter trine to C's sun, there will be definite moments when they will have to agree to disagree in order to keep things on the up and up, but if the sq is in fixed signs, well - i dunno, it seems that it's the worst element to have in a square. also a asc sq asc, that points again to basically different worldviews. hopefully there are good aspects to the moons to smooth things out.

moon-yes the moons look very well supported, so underneath the discord there will be definite harmony, if the egos are kept in check and the mental gymnastic games they want to play are more in the spirit of "good fun" [jupiter to merc and moon] to release some of that tense energy. i wouldn't be saying this unless the suns other than the aspects to merc seemed very supportive, and they do.

venus-the emphasis is on D but it's pretty mild, i'm guessing other factors are more important than venus issues that drew/would draw them together. when a planet for both isn't very strongly aspected it seems to be undercover for a bit, a subtlety in the synastry that can be seen later after the roar of the stronger aspects is smoothed over.

overall it looks like D would be the one keeping C in check, their jupiter giving C the benefit of the doubt [maybe not always!], their venus trine C's moon a great aspect adding to D wanting to showcase their gentle side to C this also allows C to be vulnerable thus more open to suggestion, their saturn trine C's mercury and sun, again keeping C in line, but through gentle humorous persuasion [most of the time]-oh there's the matter of mars sq uranus, now that is a wildcard for sure, it's a tough one, now i'm thinking [plus jup sq dw] that maybe these 2 don't relate to each other very often? that's how it seems, or it's very possible that at first meeting there were crossed signals and because they didn't know how to interpret each other's clues things remained up in the air...but the moon aspects and sun trines would give a basic harmony, possibly to be seen later after like i said they got the mercury bs out of their system

mc-the mc conj here draw the planet person to the mc person, angular conj are the easiest to interpret and a great sign of there being a draw between them, there are a few signs here that C would be very resistant to D trying to change them...sort of like maybe an unspoken thing that C puts out "don't cross this line", but there are also hints that C can't help but be changed by their interaction with D and i think this is also where some of the tension may appear

nn-opposed, they're definitely destined to spend at least a bit of time together, i guess there would be a little age difference here, the contrast in their basic make up is meant to open their eyes to different ways of communicating, of being involved with other people, esp with a lot of those squares, this opp seems to reiterate that fact, once they get over themselves (the side of themselves they meet in this relationship) they'll be more open to people overall and more expansive in their relations, if they choose, i also think it'd be easy for them to make the choice to not become involved [family, friends, etc], but if they do i think it's meant to broaden their scope and to be more tolerant

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this one is more complex than the 1st, you tricked me

posted June 18, 2009 02:55 AM         

Part of why I posted this is that I notice lots of postings on astrology sites where it seems like the analysis/responses are shaped or biased by what people already know about the relationship before looking at the charts.

My skepticism is gone--every last thing you said about each of these relationships is dead on. I chose the two relationships most on my mind right now--the first is my relationship with my mother, the second my relationship with a younger male friend.

The second relationship IS complicated...I feel a lot of lust for him, too, further complicating it. (His Eros is conjunct my Mars, my Mars is trine his Eros, our Eroses and Karmas fall in each other's 8th houses, his 8th house Lust is square my 8th house Sun, his Lust is conjunct my Eros, my Valentine is conjunct his Asc...etc etc)

I also really feel his Pluto exactly square my Venus. (My Pluto is conjunct his Venus at a wider orb than I usually use.) Sometimes the whole relationship seems to play out as him being Pluto and me being Venus.

The thing about the relationship is that it could go many directions--friendship, lovers, never speaking to each other again (those Mercury squares? I am a Leo Sun-Mercury, he is a Scorpio Sun-Mercury-Saturn-Pluto. It's so not fun. But somehow there is a lot of affection between us and we keep trying again.) For me his Scorpio Sun makes a Grand Trine with my Pisces Jupiter and Cancer Moon-Saturn. I have certainly learned a lot from the relationship.

I can't post our synastry here because I think he reads this site and I don't want him to figure out who I am!

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aspects don't really cancel each other out, they're all there it's just a matter of "to what degree".

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Ah, I can see how this works from your analysis.

I like the way you go through each planet and connect everything into a whole picture.

posted June 18, 2009 11:17 PM         

you know you're adept at my big fault which is transposed houses in synastry, do you have a method for working them out or for noting who is feeling what? if there is a connection to houses and aspects my gut feeling says that both feel it it's just to what degree, but really i stay away from house placements overall since they're hard to me to figure out?

with aspects as you saw it's pretty easy if you start with the sun and any major asc/mc etc conj with planets, that way you get a feel of the major players, and then just work down from there.

posted June 19, 2009 01:23 AM         

Whoa, I'm really overtired and being inarticulate, sorry, but...

For example, in the second relationship here, his Mars-Venus, Eros, Karma, Valentine and Union all fall into my 8th house...so I'M the one for whom those planets/asteroids take on an 8th house flavor (pure lust, LOL .) Those connections wouldn't necessarily have an 8th house flavor for him, just for me.

His Mars-Venus conjunction, for example, falls in his 12th house, conjunct my 8th house Union, so he would feel the energy of that connection in his 12th house--for him less about sexual desire and more about dreaminess, self-undoing, mysticism, and other 12th house issues.

Or, that exact Venus-Pluto square is a great example--I feel it in my 7th house, where Venus is. He feels it in his 1st house, where his Pluto is. So to me, it connects to my sense of how partnerships operate in my life. For him, he probably experiences that dynamic in terms of his sense of self.

I would also look carefully at those natal houses to understand the dynamic--I have a 7th house Cancer stellium with Moon-Saturn conjunct and Venus at 29 degrees Cancer, conjunct my Amor. As a Cap Rising, Saturn is my chart ruler, so the 7th house is wildly wildly important in my chart--that dynamic hits me in a place that packs a lot of emotional heft. My Vertex is also in my 7th house.

His MC falls in my 7th house conjunct my Moon-Saturn, and conjunct my DC (at 6 degrees)...my MC falls in his first house, conjunct his Pluto...so, in looking at that Venus-Pluto square, I would consider that it would connect to both of our senses of career destiny in some ways. We have creatively collaborated and that will be a huge part of our relationship, if we stay friends in the future.

I use all four angles equally in house overlays--I find them all REALLY important, especially if there are some double-whammy-type aspects. In that synastry, for example, my Union and Pluto fall in his 12th house (where he has his conjunct Mars-Venus), my Pluto conjuncts his Ascendent, and my Pluto loosely conjuncts his Venus. He's a Libra rising, making Venus his chart ruler, and his 12th house important.

So, for both of us--there's gonna be a major Venus-Pluto feeling in my 7th house, and a Venus-Pluto feeling in his 12th and 1st houses, and on his Ascendent. For him, it would be about how he comes across and how/where he weilds personal power, and for me, it's about how I relate and how I partner.

Double-whammies are really important in house overlays as well as in relationships between planets, because they show ways that both people are probably responding to/experiencing the relationship in the same areas of life--in the case of this relationship.

posted June 19, 2009 01:45 AM         

BTW what housesystem do you use?