posted June 17, 2009 01:25 AM         

1) Do asteroids, angles, etc. operate as part of a Grand Trine, or does it work only with the personal planets?

2) Do both parties feel and experience the Grabd Trine energy, or is the person who has two "corners" of the trine the only one with that intense "you complete me" feeling?

For example, if I have with someone:

My conjunct Cancer Moon-Saturn trine my Pisces Jupiter trine HIS conjunct Scorpio Sun-Mercury-Saturn....will we both feel "expanded" by the relationship, or will only I feel it because he is providing the missing "tip" of the triangle?

We also have his Vertex in Aries trine his Jupiter-Neptune in Sagittarius trine my Leo Sun-Mercury, but I don't know if it makes sense to look at Aries as one "tip" of a Grand Trine.

Also--I assume the Grand Trine would be felt in its element? Air=you completely me intellectually/you stimulate me, Water=you complete me emotionally/I love you (not necc. romantic love), Fire=you complete me creatively/you inspire me, Earth=you completely me practically/you make me feel secure

posted June 17, 2009 02:00 AM         

the person with the "big" trine seems to see the other as closing in that aspect, so to speak, and it can manifest as feeling very secure with the person adding that missing sign, like "all right, now i have this under control, now this makes sense" corresponding to the element/planets/houses involved

of course it'll be best, apparently, if the planets involved in grand trine receive relatively neutral aspects from other planets in the synastry. especially, i think, if any of the natal planets are harshly aspected that are in trine in the natal [hope this isn't confusing], that extra trine can give them added strength in dealing with adverse aspects natally [from what i've seen]

i've never seen angles working in grandtrines, though some might do this; asteroids, like we've seen here, there are a few on this board who are very talented in working with them and may consider them, but they know their stuff about them and most of us don't and i think the outers are acceptable but for themmm i believe the orb would be tighter than if the moon or mars were involved, for example, or not--like for instance if pluto is very prominent/strong in a natal, the orb should be a bit wider "but just for those people", but then that's what you would do in synastry anyway, giving focus to the planets that are strong natally. always pay attention to what that planet, or sometimes 2, rarely 3 are doing.

also in my experience the person with the single planet or conj planets alone, when they enter into it with the trined partner, there is a realm of experience that easily opens up for them as represented again, by the house, element, sign --pay attention esp. if this element is not strong in that person's chart, that means the grand trine would stand out even more to them.

posted June 17, 2009 02:42 AM         

with her retrograde Mars in 5'48 Capricorn, it's actually a kite

she knows that she can count on me to support her just like she supported me.

her Jupiter opposes my Sun/Moon midpoint less than half a degree orb.

posted June 18, 2009 05:13 AM         

Let me throw in my example as a case study =).

In our case, I am the one on the outside, and already have a garnd trine in my natal chart (sun conj. venus, trine uranus, trine moon). While for him, my moon is the planet that completes the grand trine with his moon & mercury/mars.

So... does this mean that I feel less of the "you complete me" than he does?

posted June 19, 2009 01:24 AM         

aqumoon,
well you do have a grand trine in a sense, but one of the planets uranus is out of sign, so i'd say him adding his moon in air is significant. seems to mean relating your feelings/experiences in verbal ways, being able to easily communicate how you feel about each other, very significant for you 2, a very easy "click" - it's all about feeling that same attunement and letting your feelings spill forth but while still remaining comfortably objective [air] - there's an attraction to each other's emotional natures and that's easily made clear.

posted June 19, 2009 10:02 PM         

I have a grand trine with my mom, and there was nothing easy about our relationship

Her Jupiter in Cancer in grand trine with my Sun in Scorpio trine Moon in Pisces as well as my Moon in grand trine with her Jupiter trine Saturn in Cancer.

the orbs are close in both grand trines too...with them resulting in direct midpoint pictures within 1 degree orb.
Her Jupiter oppose my Sun/Moon midpoint
My Moon oppose her Jupiter/Saturn midpoint

it was love n' hate thing because of growing up physically and mentally abused by her

I think that as I am older and have more compassion for her because of her health problems as well don't live under the same roof as her, our relationship has become harmonious

I feel the problems is that we are both highly emotional,sensitive people and we easily overreact with each other

Raymond

posted June 19, 2009 10:51 PM         

we are both very watery

I have Sun,Mercury,Venus in Scorpio along with Moon in Pisces

She has Ascendant,Mercury,Venus,Jupiter,and Uranus in Cancer along with Moon and Saturn in Scorpio

so like mother like son

posted June 21, 2009 12:30 PM         

Thanks so much for taking a look!

He does enjoy talking to me about business ideas etc.. So I guess that's the 10th house influence?

You are right, I definitely don't feel anything less... If anything, I guess I am the one more into "us" than him?

I am not sure if it is the "air" grand trine, that's keeping things from settling down? At the moment, he doesn't seem to want to progress to anything serious with me... (the "I am not ready for a relationship right now" talk).

I adore him, love talking to him, but just can't allow myself to keep this going, knowing it may lead nowhere.

posted June 23, 2009 10:11 AM         

Thanks so much for taking the time to look at our chart in more detail - much appreciated!!

Also really want to thank you for your profound advice - I guess space and friendship sounds like the best solution for now. I will try my best to be optimistic & keep my spirits high!