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posted June 23, 2009 10:39 AM         

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some people seem to disregard them while others use them.

what do u guys think?

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posted June 23, 2009 10:50 AM         

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I use them

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posted June 23, 2009 11:08 AM         

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are the energies the same even though they are not in the respective elements?

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posted June 23, 2009 11:47 AM         

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trine is a trine no matter out of sign or in sign....
so i think it is the aspect that matters not signs

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posted June 23, 2009 12:08 PM         

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yeah, thats how i see it. i was reading a conversation on another forum and they were talking about this so i though i would check it out.

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posted June 23, 2009 01:31 PM         

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Nope, I think the only out of sign aspect that carries any weight is the conjunction. And I'm talking less than 5 degree orb here. Anything else is grasping at straws if you ask me.

IMHO

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posted June 23, 2009 01:38 PM         

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An aspect that is out of sign is still an aspect, but out of sign is still out of sign too.

For example, if we have 29șAries trine 1șCapricorn, the trine would still be valid - coz actually a late degree Aries would be very similar to an early degree Taurus, just as an early degree Capricorn is very similar to a late degree Sagittarius. Yet coz Aries is still Aries no matter what, and Capricorn is still Capricorn no matter what, this trine's traits would be slightly lower compared to the aspect in the right signs.

So I'd still consider these aspects, although with a smaller orb, and consider the aspect slightly weaker.

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posted June 23, 2009 01:52 PM         

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maybe when the out of sign aspect is part of say a grand trine could hold the same value but if is a single aspect maybe not as important?
bcs the element affinity -fire°fire air°air- is a necessary ingredient to the aspect..

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posted June 23, 2009 05:39 PM         

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i agree with comica23

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posted June 23, 2009 06:14 PM         

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I agree with Comica too.

I have this in synastry with someone--my Leo Sun (21 degrees Leo) is square his Sagittarius Moon (1 degree Sag) at a 9 degree orb. We definitely feel that fiery emotional quality even though it's a square and not a trine, because natally, I am SO MUCH my Leo Sun, and he is SO MUCH his Sag Moon. But we also feel that Sun-Moon square tension, eased a bit by having my Cancer Moon trine his Scorp Sun at a much tighter orb (2 degrees). I wonder what the relationship would be like if we had a double-whammy Sun-Moon trine instead of the square--whether we would be closer/more involved.

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posted June 24, 2009 12:31 AM         

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I use them, because aspects are based on 360 degrees, so if two planets are 122 degrees from the other, it counts as a trine regardless of what signs the planets are in. However, it may not feel quite as nice as an in-sign trine, because the feeling of the two planets are not as in-sync. I guess the same applies to two plants that are not aspecting my degree but are in compatible signs. It is still helpful, because if one has say, an air moon and so does the other, they will look at things similarly.

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posted June 24, 2009 01:12 AM         

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Well, if you have Venus in Leo, late degrees, and your lover has Mars in Sag, early degrees, that would be within the degrees of a square, but definately a trine by element. In this case I would call it a weaker trine, may feel more like a sextile, because you have the common element, and the fire tendancies you share, as described by your love & sex planets will find each other quite lovely.

On the other hand, if you have late Leo Venus, and your lover has early Scorp Mars, it may be within the alotted degrees for a sextile, but will actually act like a square, as the planets are not in sympatical elements. The exact degree could help them to "see" each other, but it may just feel like petting a cat backwards - not too nice for either...but not painfull either.

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posted June 24, 2009 01:31 AM         

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Yes, Lionseye! I experience my Leo Sun square that guy's Sag Moon as exactly like a sextile...it doesn't happen naturally and unconsciously the way a tight trine would, but if we consciously activate it like a sextile, it connects us.

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posted June 24, 2009 02:09 AM         

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You know, in ancient days they use to only consider the elements and modes to determine aspects. The degrees came along later. In ancient astrology, Leo trined Sag no matter what degrees, and Leo squared Scorpio, not matter what degrees, and so forth. Life was simple back then lol....
Because it describes CHARACTOR, and if your basic charactor is in accord, then you can't go wrong. And it still makes sense.
Where I draw the line is where the degree of the angle may make a sextile or opposition, or what have you, but it's only by degree, not by sign. Sometimes lovers who are also into astrology want to count those in, but they are disappointed over time because those aspects don't pay out as expected. Of course, nothing is a sure thing. Tighter orbs are always better, but still never a sure thing.

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