posted June 25, 2009 09:59 AM         

* Astrological Context - Virgo, Mercury, 6th House are the primary components in relation to Discrimination. (Scorpio, Leo, Libra, Capricorn, Taurus etc also follow based on category of discrimination).

* Astrologically, as long as humans will live, the charts will have the Virgo Sign, 6th house and Mercury. Discrimination will Prevail. It does not need to be racial. But then, it prevails everywhere and in every human (or may be even every animal). Just think, would you hire any random person in your company without putting your discriminating skills in reviewing that person? Would you just buy any clothes? Would you just date or marry any random guy or gal? Would you just accept any hobby for fun? Again, I am not talking philosophy. I am just explaining a very basic Astrological fundamental behind discrimination.

So, Here are my questions for Knowflakes. First, please share your 6th House, It's Ruler, Virgo sign's house, Mercury's sign, Mercury's Position. (This helps to keep the context astrological and helps others to understand where you are coming from.)

Then, Please share your views on the following.

1. Do you believe that Discrimination will exist as long as we live?

2. Do you Discriminate? What areas do you discriminate towards? e.g. At Work you try to avoid stupid employees. In school, you try to avoid specific race. You try to avoid my children getting in touch with radical classmates. You try to avoid vacation spots around mountains but always prefer water.

posted June 25, 2009 11:16 AM         

When I was in the navy, I was often viewed as stupid by my co-workers. I am being serious when I say that.

well..I needed things repeated a lot.
It took much longer time for me to process things
I didn't get things right away.
I was very clumsy and accident prone.
I was very disorganized, and I misplaced and lost things
I had problems following directions,instructions
I was very forgetful and absentminded.
I was called "stupid","dumb" a lot by my co-workers
many were frustrated and irritated with me
I would lose my temper when they said things like telling me that I am stupid or when they get irritated,impatient, and frustrated with my problems
I was very insecure when I was in the navy.
It was very stressful environment for me.
I was depressed and anxious in the navy.

the more I got stressed, the more I had problems
I was afraid of making mistakes because of looking stupid to others.

all that was connected to my Dyslexia,Dyspraxia,ADHD which I didn't know about until 2003

I really did feel dumb.
I got out the navy,thinking that I was stupid.

The thing was that I have above average intelligence, and I got in the navy with 76 percentile AFQT on the ASVAV test, and I only needed 31. I needed 40 to get an A-School (a training school for certain rating jobs to make at least E-4). My rating was Radioman which is a telecommunications operator. When I took the ASVAB test, I had headache which I had quite a while. I was distracted by that,and so the AFQT score could have been higher.

My Moon in Pisces is in the 6th house (Virgo house) square the opposition of Jupiter-Neptune in Sagittarius in 3rd and retrograde Saturn in Gemini in 9th.

I have Mars in Aquarius in 6th house (Virgo house) square Venus in Scorpio in 3rd.

I have Virgo Ascendant, and it's ruler Mercury is in Scorpio in 3rd parallel Venus and Neptune, and that parallel is contraparallel by Saturn.

the ruler of my 6th house is Uranus which is in Libra in 2nd, and has no planetary aspects. It trines Midheaven in Gemini and trine North Lunar Node in Aquarius in 5th. It also sextiles Ceres in Leo in 11th and oppose Eris in Aries in 8th.

so who decides who is stupid. What is stupid?

maybe those stupid empoloyees were neurodivergents like myself.

I can't help have problems with intellectual snobbery. It's probably my greatest petpeeve of all. The next is racism.

Raymond

posted June 25, 2009 11:32 AM         

1. Discrimination will continue to exist as long as ignorance lives.

2. I do think that people's race/group they belong in/appearance does tell a bit about them, although we can't really judge people solely based on such.
I don't really avoid people cause of their race/etc., although I do have preferences about with whom I'd prefer to hang around, mainly due to cultural/general compatibility (after all, we hang out with people who has similar/compatible likings/way of being).

posted June 25, 2009 12:06 PM         

-Gemini on the 6th house cusp
-Virgo moon and SN
-6th house Cancer mercury opposite neptune and trine pluto
-Virgo on the 9th house cusp

1. I agree with Comica's statement for this.

2. I don't avoid associating people based on race/ethnicity/creed/etc. but in the context of romantic relationships, alot of times I end up with people who have a similar cultural background to mine (by similar I mean in the set up, customs, outlook, etc). Not that there hasn't been any exceptions though. But there are *types* of people (characteristically) that I prefer to hang out with.

posted June 25, 2009 01:31 PM         

I believe Eris is involved too
I would also look at the Eris Nodes. Eris is generational itself, but Eris Nodes are collective Eris Energies. Therefore,they are more significant than Eris itself.

I believe that has to do with ideology, diversity and equality matters in general and that include things like bigotry,racism,civil/equal rights, advocacy as well as discord,controversy,stirring stuff up.

all you have to do is consider what

Eris' discoverer, Michael Brown said about Eris

Dr. Michael E. Brown, a professor of planetary astronomy at the California Institute of Technology who discovered the distant ball of ice and rock that he nicknamed Xena and that had been designated 2003 UB313, chose the name Eris, after the goddess of discord and strife in Greek mythology.

“It is absolutely the perfect name,” Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status.

In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.

“She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them think their opinions are right and everyone else’s is wrong,” Brown said. “It really is just perfect.” http://tech.mit.edu/V126/N38/38shorts2.html

Isn't discrimination often based on what people think is right or wrong? I believe so

for instance, many people think that it's wrong to use drugs, and so they discriminate against drugs
...heck even outlaw certain drugs that some people believe are medicinal or shamanic
heck.....even hallucinogenic herb,salvia divinorium is outlawed in quite a few states in USA even though some use it in mystical,shamanic ways. Same with other things. there is big debate and various opinions about marijuana.
Of course, there is a lot of debate about psychiatric drugs.

many people of certain religions think that it's wrong to be of another religion,and so they discriminate against them

many people of certain races believe that it's wrong to be with other races, and so they stay with their own races

you can see it with so many things..especially even when it comes to belief systems,views,and ideas as well as culture....like if discrimination is fact of life in a culture, it can be offensive to that culture criticize it's discrimination
many people get angered by people that challenge the status quo because they want things to stay that they are. That was the case with abolutionists, civil rights activists,women's rights activists, and gay rights activists. Of course, human rights activists. It's like "how dare you talk smack about our culture...you know nothing about us and our way of living" those protests have been heard in various countries whether it's USA, India, Saudia Arabia,China,etc.

you see it in politics like between liberals and conservatives...all you have to do is check out Global Unity forum to see what I am talking about

you even see the issues of what's right wrong when when it comes to Astrology. nobody can deny that.

I would say that discrimination and ideology are strongly connected

Adolf Hitler had Midheaven square Eris Nodes,and everybody knows what he did

his nazi propaganda minister Joseph Goebbels was born on October 29th, and so he had Sun conjunct South Eris Node in Scorpio

Civil Rights Leader Dr. Martin Luther King Jr's wife, Corretta had Sun conjunct North Eris Node in Taurus

Civil Rights leader Jesse Jackson has Sun oppose Eris

Tiger Woods has stationary direct Eris

India Republic chart has Moon conjunct North Eris Node and Sun square Eris Nodes

USA independence chart has Sun oppose Eris almost exact in Right Ascension coordinates

President Barack Obama has Sun trine/contraparallel Eris.
He was elected during the minor grand trine of Venus in Sagittarius,Neptune in Aquarius,and Eris in Aries.

Princess Diana had Sun square Eris..she was known for advocacy, and she was controversial..she also had a muslim boyfriend...her death was even more controversial

Tom Cruise has Sun square Eris, and he's a dyslexic who caused controversy and got criticized that church of scientology cured his Dyslexia. There is issues with discrimination about religions....scientology is viewed as a cult by many people just as new age,new thought churches are viewed as cults by many people.

National Organization for Women (NOW) was founded on October 29, 1966. Therefore, it has Sun conjunct South Eris Node in Scorpio.

my exgf's mother who hates men because she was hurt by my exgf's father has Moon square Eris within half a degree. My exgf has her 4th/7th house ruler Mercury conjunct Eris within 2 degrees, and she was in an interracial relationship with me.

the composite of my exgf and me have Eris sextile Ascendant with 7 minutes of arc. It trine Neptune in Sagittarius in 7th which conjunct Sagittarius Descendant.

My Mother and I have Moon square Eris in composite chart less than 1 degree,and that fits with the diversity issues that she and I had experienced in an interracial mother/child family dynamic.

I was born on October 29, 1971. I have Eris sextile Midheaven/trine Imum Coeli. I have Sun conjunct South Eris Node. Diversity is very strong theme in my life as a neurodivergent,multiracial born to black father and white mother,had half Japanese stepsisters, and a male with strong feminine traits/high estrogen levels - so I am sex-hormonal-divergent too, and that makes me sympathize with women's rights and gay rights.

also...if you look into the astronomy

Eris Perihelion/Aphelion axis in Libra/Aries
and Jupiter Perihelion/Aphelion axis in Aries/Libra are in very close opposition to each other.

you can verify here http://www.true-node.com/pos/

Perihelion is the nearest point of an object's orbit to the Sun

Aphelion is the most distant point of an object's orbit from the Sun

in a way, aphelion and perihelion are similar to nodes in that they have to do with orbital path in relation between two objects

posted June 25, 2009 02:41 PM         

Jupiter in Aries in the 11th. 9th house in Aquarius with Sun and Mercury there. Uranus in 7th in Sagittarius.

1. Do you believe that Discrimination will exist as long as we live?
People will always prefer one thing over another, yeah.

2. Do you Discriminate? What areas do you discriminate towards?
I have pretty discriminate taste when it comes to clothing/brands. I avoid Coach, Ed Hardy, tacky logo bags, etc. I don't like things that look cheaply made (although I do like sales and cheap stores) or things that aren't fashionable or recently dead trends.

posted June 25, 2009 03:49 PM         

Aspects to Mercury-> Sun,Venus,Jupiter,Rising,MC

Oh, yes it would look like I am very discriminate towards; religion, history, philosphy, new age, other people's idea's and opinions, culture, children, romance, my work.

In some ways I do and other ways "I don't care" and it's between those two extremes-> caring and not caring. Though I should care lol (I'll work on that)

So to answer the questions..

1.Yeah but maybe one day we can accept our differences but still be treated equal.

No I have no real reason to avoid people, places, or things.

2. Everyone discriminates regardless of astrological make up but racial/religious discrimination bothers me the most but I will not avoid anything because of it.

posted June 25, 2009 04:11 PM         

Having a discriminating mind, ie someone who is very picky, is a Virgoan quality. And to some extent, a Libran quality, as Libra like to weight all sides in order to make a decision.

Discrimination as it applies to racial construct seems to me more a factor of Saturn or Pluto aspects. Saturn saying you're not good enough, and Pluto saying I will impose my laws and power on you whether you like it or not. I really don't see Jupiter there because Jupiter would rule discrimination based on religion, as in my God is better than yours. Of course, I am talking about the adverse negative aspects of the planets, not the positive aspects.

My 6th house is ruled by the Sun, and I have Jupiter there. I am finicky about my religious beliefs, but I don't go around telling people that my God is better than their God. My 7th house is ruled by Mercury, and my Mercury in Libra falls in the 7th house.

1. Do you believe that Discrimination will exist as long as we live? Answer: If you're talking about racial discrimination, it did not always exist. So there is no reason to believe it will always exist forever.

2. Do you Discriminate? What areas do you discriminate towards? Answer: I generally avoid people and places I find rude and violent.

3. Astrologically, have you noticed any trend on which signs or aspects or influences tend to make person more discriminatory? Yes.

posted June 25, 2009 04:21 PM         

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1. Do you believe that Discrimination will exist as long as we live?

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It will always exist, even not with intent. There is a difference between saying racist things, and have malicious intent behind what they just said. Most people are racist without ever wishing bad on any other culture. Ingrained into some societes.

We will always judge based in appearances.
Just like some dont care about knowing a person, but would prefer to just take a look and judge the rest of the personality on looks, without ever knowing a person.

Its automatic and built in. Put a non-human on earth and let him watch TV, read newpapers, go on the internet etc
While the person may think he/she is fine, a picture flashes up off a tory and you think "toff" or the word lawyer comes up and people think "bloodsucking" (or something similar)

It will always be within society as that is what is given out.

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2. Do you Discriminate? What areas do you discriminate towards? e.g. At Work I try to avoid stupid employees. In school, I try to avoid specific race. I try to avoid my children getting in touch with radical classmates. I try to avoid vacation spots around mountains but always prefer water.

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Of course I discriminate.
Who/what do I discriminate with intent of non-liking?
Anyone who has had contact with my brother (and possiby sister) - He has been nasty to me all my life , so there must be something wrong with his mates or people. Many instances, I have been proven correct, there is something about the company he keeps.
I discriminate against mothers who have a child with someone, then go off with another fella, making the original father pay. Obvious reasons why I do that. Its just not right.
I discriminate against people who use words/visuals instead of action. Something could be said straight up and to your face, but it never is.

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posted June 25, 2009 06:36 PM         

but Jupiter can be judgmental and selfrighteous though

and so that can easily fit with discrimination of not just religion,but also racism as well as things like morals and ethics.....even education. when you get down to it, it can be be judgmental about anything....even about one's views,beliefs,and ideas. Of course, it can even fit with politics.

I believe that Eris has similarities with Jupiter and Uranus. I think that it's possible that we attributed some of Eris' stuff to to Uranus stuff to Eris and even some of Eris' stuff to Jupiter.

we definitely attributed some of Pluto's stuff to Saturn. I say that we even did the same with Mars. Mars/Saturn midpoint is even known as the death axis in Cosmobiology.

as for the outer planet, Neptune.....I'd say some Jupiter,Venus,and Moon stuff.

I also believe that the so-called positive aspects can be used negatively. I see that happen quite a bit. Many astrologers acknowledge that.

Raymond

posted June 25, 2009 07:29 PM         

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So, Here are my questions for Knowflakes. First, please share your 6th House, It's Ruler, Virgo sign's house, Mercury's sign, Mercury's Position. (This helps to keep the context astrological and helps others to understand where you are coming from.)

Then, Please share your views on the following.

1. Do you believe that Discrimination will exist as long as we live?

2. Do you Discriminate? What areas do you discriminate towards? e.g. At Work you try to avoid stupid employees. In school, you try to avoid specific race. You try to avoid my children getting in touch with radical classmates. You try to avoid vacation spots around mountains but always prefer water.

3. Astrologically, have you noticed any trend on which signs or aspects or influences tend to make person more discriminatory?

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This is a really good topic! My 6th house is in Gemini and my Jupiter is in the 6th, Jupiter is my Ascendant ruler so the 6th house Jupiter is pretty significant in my natal chart. With that being said, the Virgo cusp is located in my 9th house, and my Mercury is in Leo in the 8th house.

I think discrimination is really a lack of understanding. It bothers me how so many can't think of anything else but their own priorities. I think people will always discriminate because it is part of human nature. I have to admit that I discriminate a lot when it comes to loud, verbose, arrogant people who can't get their head out their pessimistic nutshell.

posted June 25, 2009 07:41 PM         

My Jupiter, ruler of my 4th house (Sagittarius) is in the 6th house (Aquarius), forming a fixed t-square with my Taurus Mars in the 9th house (house of beliefs, visions) and Scorpio Pluto in the 3rd house (house of mind, communication). I might be a bit stubborn sometimes, but I'm often alternating between having the need to have firm beliefs (not blind ones thought) and having a flexible, accepting mind. So I don't really have problems with restructuring my beliefs, as long as I find it reasonable.

But well, personally, I'm from a multiracial family too, so that I came into contact with different cultures, that helped me to understand certain things regarding to the cultural differences better. XP

posted June 25, 2009 07:49 PM         

I am not going out hang out with drug addicts,alcoholics, and gang bangers. I don't want to get into trouble.

I am not crazy about hanging out with conservative types .....especially social and religious conservatives.

I definitely have my romantic preferences. I like interracial relationships. I'd like to be in interracial marriage. I could care less who my future children be with. They can be with whoever they want. I love a United Nations Family.

so yeah...I see nothing wrong with certain types of discrimination in regards to preferences.

its all relative too.

posted June 27, 2009 11:01 AM         

I believe discrimination will prevail as long as we'll live. In races and all other parts of our lives. If the current classes and categories will dissolve, then new will be created in the Aqua age. May be they will be associated with Intelligence or IQ level, but its hard to believe that all humans will accept one another.

I've yet to find one country, one race, or one group that does not discriminate in their own category against another country, race or group. In the corporate world, I find discrimination at its highest - may be its just the nature of business to discriminate. I discriminate everyday in work life - may be due to my Aries MC. I almost never associate myself with random people or get excited to know about them - may be Sco merc.

posted June 28, 2009 02:37 AM         

1.) Do I believe that discrimination will continue for as long as we exist? In a word: Yes.

2.) I think that everyone discriminates in certain ways. For me - I need everything perfect (blame the Virgo Rising?), and I most certainly have a tendency to avoid people who don't fit into my little paradigm. Such individuals are generally those that I would deem as strange or boisterous/overly dramatic/etc. For better or worse, I also tend to discriminate against people who aren't very well educated. It's not necessarily the best course of action (actually, it really isn't), but after thirteen years of sitting through the Metro Nashville-Davidson Public School System and witnessing individuals presented with numerous educational opportunities who still don't just care about obtaining an education has made me quite frustrated. I remember being irritated numerous times in high school when my peers would elect to take courses which are known to be difficult (such as AP courses), and then cry foul once in the course that the material is too difficult and that the teacher shouldn't assign so much work (because, you know, a chapter of textbook reading and a worksheet a week is such a crushing load of work), or should dumb down the material, or whatever else. It just generally pissed me off. Still does, too.

When it comes to clothing, I am very discriminate. I hate large logos (minus the Ralph Lauren Polo one for some reason. haha), I don't like funky patterns, etc. I am also a very picky eater. I don't like pork or most seafood.

posted June 28, 2009 04:08 AM         

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When I was in the navy, I was often viewed as stupid by my co-workers. I am being serious when I say that.

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I think that you are a really sensitive soul. People who don't know any different can perceive sensitivity as weakness. I've encountered this a great deal in my life. I can see it in my son as well. Which brings a different element to it, because in part, it's easier for society to accept vulnerability (or perceived weakness) in women, but not so easy in men, because it's not very "masculine". So I'm thinking that in an environment like the navy (and my father was in the navy) that you need to come off or be seen as being ultra-masculine.

People seem to feel the need to "toughen" sensitive people up. It never worked with me. I thank all my Aries, Aqua Moon and Uranus for not wanting to be told what to do.

posted June 28, 2009 04:19 AM         

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So, Here are my questions for Knowflakes. First, please share your 6th House, It's Ruler, Virgo sign's house, Mercury's sign, Mercury's Position.

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Virgo on 6th house (own house)
Pluto in Virgo in 6th and Uranus in Libra in 6th
Ruler - Mercury in Aries in 1st

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1. Do you believe that Discrimination will exist as long as we live?

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Yes. It's not ideal, but we are made up by 7 billion individuals and each unique with different ideals and needs, so to make one common whole, whose ideal to you use?

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2. Do you Discriminate? What areas do you discriminate towards? e.g. At Work you try to avoid stupid employees. In school, you try to avoid specific race. You try to avoid my children getting in touch with radical classmates. You try to avoid vacation spots around mountains but always prefer water.

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Moon in Aquarius in 11th and Uranus in Libra in 6th conjunct DC sees everyone as equals. It's also where I'm intolerant - snobbery is something I can't abide, nor people who think they are better than others. I'm learning to discern instead of judge/discriminate.

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3. Astrologically, have you noticed any trend on which signs or aspects or influences tend to make person more discriminatory?

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posted June 28, 2009 06:12 AM         

You must think about this first - do NOT mix Discernment with Discrimination.

To have Objectivity in life you have GOT TO BE " Discerning " or else life will be series of misjudgements that will bring nothing but failure and heartache.

We are all raised to be unconditional and there is nothing wrong about that, but to confuse it with being objective, distorts how we perceive reality - to our own disadvantage.

To discern is to have an objective perception of reality that influences our judgement or decisions, that are NOT personal but they may involve persons .

Discrimination can be statistical , dealing with two factors, or sociological , depending on attributes.

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Astrologically, as long as humans will live, the charts will have the Virgo Sign, 6th house and Mercury. Discrimination will Prevail.

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I think what you are implying in your post in not really discrimination but discernment because it has nothing to do with the individual.

To answer your question ,

YES.

both Discernment as well as Discrimination WILL prevail.

As long as Nature refuses to implement EQUALITY in attributes.

To waste our time bemoaning what nature is responsible for is a classic liberal pastime.

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would you hire any random person in your company without putting your discriminating skills in reviewing that person?

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That is NOT discrimination - that is discernment .It involves being objective as to the reality of your needs and the abilities of those you want to hire to fulfill them.

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Would you just buy any clothes? Would you just date or marry any random guy or gal? Would you just accept any hobby for fun?

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every single question

DISCERNMENT and OBJECTIVITY

It has NOTHING to do with astrology, we are all individual souls with ego and that is the factor that affects what and how each of us views OBJECTIVELY .

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1. Do you believe that Discrimination will exist as long as we live?

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I sure hope that all of us are discerning so as to be realistic in our percetions.

Discrimination is an unwanted side effect of the above.

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Do you Discriminate? What areas do you discriminate towards? e.g. At Work you try to avoid stupid employees. In school, you try to avoid specific race. You try to avoid my children getting in touch with radical classmates. You try to avoid vacation spots around mountains but always prefer water.

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The above are examples of being discerning when it involves your well being .

The above are not examples of discrimination.

Why would i waste my energy over someone who is stupid - unless they were my patients ?

That doesnt mean i have anything personal against them , its just that i dont feel i owe them something because they happen to be stupid, so i should try twice as hard to accomodate them.

from personal experience, we are ALL stupid , in some way , from someone's perspective.

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In school, you try to avoid specific race

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Discernment - there is never easyflowing interaction between two culturally different races.If the two races share cultural similarities then there is no problem, no need for one to change for the other and both the races can be themselves and retain their identity.

Discrimination would be to think that different means lesser .

Vacations are all about discerning what is best for you.

MBlover, you need to clear the basics first because you are thoroughly confused between discernment and discrimination.

Neither are negative as a matter of fact , rather they are a byproduct of individuality and neutral by themselves - unless discrimination is accompanied by negative behaviour towards the discriminated.

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Astrologically, have you noticed any trend on which signs or aspects or influences tend to make person more discriminatory?

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posted June 28, 2009 10:02 AM         

"Virgo requires discrimination, testing, and analysis to draw informed conclusions"

posted July 05, 2009 04:13 AM         

1. Do you believe that Discrimination will exist as long as we live? Yes... but I guess it depends on what you consider discriminatory.

2. Do you Discriminate? What areas do you discriminate towards? Not really, I don't believe in absolutes. I believe reality is based on one's perception which makes me still understand/consider another's position on things (whether or not I agree).

posted July 05, 2009 05:37 AM         

Astrologically, the earth signs are said to be the most discriminatory, with Taurus as the snottiest.

Aquarius is on my 6th house cusp. Coincidentally, it's one of the signs I don't mess around with (discriminate against), Aries is the other. With other signs I try to understand their perspective, and invest myself fully. Not so with these two. The instant the act up I freeze them out, and generally handle them quite rough...unless it's my boss or something. I have Uranus Opp. Mars in my chart.