posted June 26, 2009 01:30 PM            

I get the impression that this guy being made out to be a saint. some even say that he's a hero and god-like

let me say some stuff, and I will probably get slammed for this too.

many pedophiles can come off child-like too...they can use that child-likeness
to connect to children easily.

also Jordan gave a good detailed description of Michael's genitals

also settling the case out of court with 22 million dollars made him look bad
and guilty to a lot of people

he did share a bed with children. that's a big red flag

if it was any other person that wasn't a celebrity and this was made news,
people would be all over the person, branding him a pedophile, demanding he go
to jail.

being a celebrity doesn't mean that they can be above the law.

heck..I have a Pisces Moon square Saturn-Neptune opposition with Virgo Ascendant
and Gemini Midheaven, and I grew up in an abusive household too. I am no way near
child-like as he is. I like cartoons and some comic books...watch some
superhero movies. That's about it. I haven't been to carnivals,fun rides since
I was 14 years old. If I do return to doing that stuff it will be because of my
future children or some romantic thing to do with the woman that I love.

btw...I've been told numerous times that I sound like Michael Jackson when I
talk, and I got flack for it like "you,fag" or "sound like you have a dick
in your mouth" or you sound like a little b-tch" when I was in chatrooms on
yahoo.

Raymond

posted June 26, 2009 02:04 PM            

He was just a Peter Pan. I regularly sleep with all my boys and they are 9, 8 and 3! Nothing wrong with it. MJ was never charged with any molestation offense.

posted June 26, 2009 02:25 PM            

just like OJ Simpson was charged with murder,and it went to trial and he got acquitted

the boy's mother hurt the case against Michael Jackson because she was really shady and has a history of taking advantage of financial stuff with history of fraud

the same way

that Mark Fuhrman hurt the case against OJ Simpson because of his racism including his use of n'word repeatedly.

furthermore, money and celebrity does talk and it helps people walk
it definitely goes beyond race

if it was black man that was poor and not a celebrity, he would be seen as one worthless piece of crap thug.

so does biases toward celebrities.

both were ruined financially too.

oh another thing....there is no way that I would let future children of mine be in bed with other men.

I don't care if they are Peter Pan types

many pedophiles have Peter Pan like natures too.

posted June 26, 2009 02:28 PM              

He was a big kid at heart and whose childhood was unfortunately stolen by fame and lights and he always seem to want to regain that, (peter pan complex) and I believe anyone who was not caught up in the Celeb light could see that..

posted June 26, 2009 02:38 PM            

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being a celebrity doesn't mean that they can be above the law.

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I agree, and I'm not going to slam you. I've avoided most of the news, because it feels weird to me the way the media is suddenly in love with him again, after reveling in his troubles.

I really don't know how to feel... I feel sad for the young Michael (for several reasons). I don't want to believe the abuse accusations, but I also have no proof that it didn't happen.

posted June 26, 2009 02:54 PM            

No I wasn't

"How did it feel?"

I defended myself too. I didn't do anything to really add to their argument.

"Did you manage to defend yourself properly back then?"

Yeah...I did passionately....just like I did when people called me "retard" when I was in special ed and called "stupid" later on.

" Did all those people around you had any proof to call you this or that?"

nope...not at all. I never showed any attraction to males, didn't come on to any. I always showed attraction to females.

they just me by voice because of my speech problems and the way I walk connected to my Dyspraxia aka Developmental Coordination Disorder. That's one of the reasons that I try to raise awareness of neurodivergence.

"Didn't that teach you not to judge someone or point your finger until there is a solid proof for it?"

well..I am not judging nor pointing fingers.

I was merely giving alternative viewpoint just like other people. There is nothing wrong wtih that. The last time I checked, there are no rules to give alternative viewpoints regardless how controversial that they seem. Everybody is not going to like what a person says or do. Everybody is not going to agree on things.

also many do think that settling out of court with 22 million dollars to a boy that accused him of molestation can be a proof of guilt. Some would even think the same about detailed description of his genitals.

"Why would you compare MJ to O.J.Simpson?"

well...they are both celebrities..they both had nice guy images...
they were charged with crimes,and they got acquitted and they were both ruined financially. both have fans as well as people that doubt their innocence

of course..there is a lot of disagreement about if they are guilty or not

"That's so ridiculous"

How is it ridiculous?

I have my views just like I have yours.

maybe I should start calling your views ridiculous then...right?

Raymond

posted June 26, 2009 03:10 PM            

I think people put Michael on a pedestal

that seems to happen a lot with celebrities

it does seem to be connected to Neptune

it's very interesting that the North Neptune Node is in the sign of Leo with the South Neptune Node in Aquarius.

he was only a human being like every one of us

the same way with Princess Diana

heck...the same with Jesus and Guatama Siddartha

they all ate, drank, put on clothes,bathed, and pooped like we did. they all have their flaws.

just like we all have our flaws

it just seems if a person's viewpoints are disagreed, then they are stupid,false,and ridiculous.

that's like with religious and political views

posted June 26, 2009 03:11 PM            

I will say one thing which is that i know someone well who spent a lot of time in the MJ household whilst he was growing up and there were never reports or sightings of any abuse toward minors.

posted June 26, 2009 03:49 PM            

Why would it be ridiculous to compare MJ to OJ?

because OJ is guilty of murder?

let me give you an alternative viewpoint

OJ Simpson is a black man who became successful as a football player, sports analyst,and did a few movies. Like many successful black man, married a white woman.

He ends up getting accused of killing the a white woman and a white man.

most of the jurors happen to be black...most of them women. It was thought that the women would sympathize with Nicole because she's a woman. the black women didn't sympathize with Nicole because they feel like she stole one of their black men. In USA, many black women are bothered by white women being with black men just like many white men are bothered by black men being with white women.

then there was the issue with Mark Fuhrman,and it showed that he had used the n'word and it was on tape.

this might have got the black jurors think that evidence was planted by this cop that they believed to be be racist.

so they came up with the verdict, not guilty. OJ's family,friends,and fans cheered in response to the verdict.
Of course, the families of Ron

also there were a lot more blacks than whites that thought OJ was guilty. There was a racial divide in regards to one's views of OJ Simpson.

then later on, he gets tried again but in a civil court case. The jury happens to be a white jury. They find him responsible for the death of Nicole Simpson and Ron Goldman. He's pretty much financially ruined forever.
Many people disagree with a verdict. Some believe that it was lynch mob, and some others think that justice was finally served in that OJ is paying for his crimes.

remember...this is just an alternative view of OJ Simpson.

I really believed that he was guilty of murder,and I was angry that he got off. I was glad that he paid for it financially.
I was really disturbed by the whole racial divide thing. As a person who is son of black man and white woman, I was very concerned that interracial marriages would be looked down upon. There had been people referring to a black man approaching a white woman "he's going to pull an OJ"

but should I?

people in OJ's defense would go

"Man..you're so selfrighteous. He's innocent. After all, he was found not guilty in the criminal. What if you were in OJ's shoes. Maybe you killed some people and are now judging and pointing fingers"

so who knows....if OJ Simpson was really guilty or not

same can be said with Michael Jackson

therefore, it's not ridiculous to compare OJ Simpson to Michael Jackson unless you think that he's guilty just like some other people think Michael Jackson is

it's matter of perception

perceptions are relative

that's why we have so many diverse religions,spiritual beliefs

of course we will have diverse views

we all will disagree with each other at some point

that's just our individualistic perceptions on life and how it works

so it really all comes down to

to each, his/her own when it comes to what somebody believes and practices

the perception of it being right or wrong is relative from one's point of view.

I suggest we agree to disagree and refrain from calling one's views ridiculous,stupid,and other things because there is disagreement.

posted June 26, 2009 04:34 PM            

That guy is lying... and i say that having thought he was innocent right up until the very moment i met him. His energy was very irratic and l would not wanna be in a room with him on my own. My mother had a similar reaction and my step-father said after we had left that OJ was so guilty it was a joke.