posted June 27, 2009 03:12 PM         

If nothing happens when it should have, I would learn from that.

Applying to your relationship, if one of the partners completely controls the other, you will learn about it, most likely when Saturn makes negative aspects.
Positive aspects can seem very bad for some, because people dont see it as positive at the time. It is positive. But how they view themselves as a couple is a little off compared to how an astrologer would view.

I guess in mutuable sign of Virgo, depending on where saturn rules in the composite could seem a bit fickle.....

All lovey dovey when together, but when someone leaves (if they were in there anyway) you have a blazing argument and see what they really think of you. The get back together all in love again. Break up, oh, yet again, the real side shows. Which is very Saturn.

Saturn indicates tests, obstacles. Placed on the ASC, the relationship will take the tone of Saturn (also look to the house it rules for more information) and seem very difficult, yet should be positive as the aspect is a conjunction.

posted June 27, 2009 04:16 PM         

If synastry -- it's definitely a significant placement, though not always easy. Depending on the rest of the chart, the Saturn person has a strong authoritative influence over the ascendant person, teaching "lessons" and restructuring the way the ASC person sees the world. If the ascendant person doesn't stand up for themselves or question the validity of the Saturn person's "lessons," then an unhealthy dynamic can develop, with a teacher/student tone replacing what should be equality. If the ascendant person fights back and resists the Saturn person's attempts to discipline them, then there can be ongoing struggles with the ascendant person rebelling against the domination they feel, and the Saturn person trying even harder to keep their partner under control.

If handled positively though, this aspect can be mutually beneficial -- especially if the Saturn person has uplifting and encouraging things to teach the ascendant person, helping them see the world in a *better* way. It certainly creates a serious tone and gives a relationship some staying power; it's very hard for the two to break away from each other, even if they want to.

I had this placement with my first serious boyfriend as a teen. It felt so heavy. I didn't have much of a spine back then, and I blindly accepted all the things he "taught" me and adopted his worldview as my own, assuming he was wiser and more intelligent than myself. That led to a lot of bitterness and unhappiness on my part, because I was letting him change things about me that weren't problems to begin with. Had I handled the energy differently, I think our relationship would have been more successful -- as it was, my confidence started waning and I broke things off, unable to take it any longer.

posted June 27, 2009 04:37 PM         

If the ascendant person doesn't stand up for themselves or question the validity of the Saturn person's "lessons," then an unhealthy dynamic can develop, with a teacher/student tone replacing what should be equality. If the ascendant person fights back and resists the Saturn person's attempts to discipline them, then there can be ongoing struggles with the ascendant person rebelling against the domination they feel, and the Saturn person trying even harder to keep their partner under control.

As I have a Natal Ascendant Square Mars/NN (in Aqua!) as you can imagine the scenario involving rebelling against a tin-pot tyrant telling me what to do was truly played out. We were supposed to be working in a team, this concept was tricky for him to grasp.

posted June 28, 2009 01:03 AM         

This rings a bell with my ex......he looks down his nose at me and will walk all over me....there is great inequality with him thinking he is superior to me and that everything in my life I have to answer to him.but there are other synastry dynamics happening there....

My saturn square both his mercury/mars con....he has a T square with Venus opposite jupiter square pluto and my natal pluto is ion the mix. My Pluto con his and it squares his jupiter/venus.

The hard aspects seem to outweigh sun trine sun and moon trine moon......that doesn't mesh.

Cynn

posted June 29, 2009 10:04 AM         

Each moment that you "feel" like doing something sporadic and /or spontaneous is ruled by the first house. It is fleeting energy and through it, we can gain so much but also lose the same.

The first house denotes how able we are to actively participate in life, take opportunities as they come: Are we "here is my chance, let me make the most of it" people or are we "there will be other opportunies" types?

The first house offers us opportunities to develop ourselves, without external assistance, to make mistakes and learn from them fisrt hand-without being told.That is why children with mars/sun/jupiter in the 1st house are so accident prone.

As both these planets are "friends" of mars, thses people dislike being told what to do and want to learn things themselves : "I told you not to put your hand on that hot stove!"

It increases self wareness, confidence in our own abilities and a pioneering spirit.

The first house is said to be "ruled" and naturally mars in this house will express these qualities most openly.

Saturn is the "father" of mars and so the expression of the 1st house qualities will be more "controlled" if Saturn is found therein i.e The person may not like making mistakes or being impulsive, the approach to life is definately more calculated as one laerns that they can get "maximum" outcomes through investing minimum energy.

One is not likely to take opportunities that will lead to nowhere,often the native is discerning and cautious in anything that requires them to act now.Are you hoping to get aked out on a date by a Saturn in fisrt house peron? Forget it, it'll probably happen in 2 years time (if at all).

In a synastry chart, I would say that the features are somewhat similar i.e:

If your Saturn is in another's 1st house, you may become more serious,reserved and restrained in doing anything that is risque.
It is unlikely that you made the first move or initiated the romantic involvement.

The nice thing about this however is that you are unlikely to change your mind "suddenly" once the initial mating rituals have been done.This is even more apparent if Cancer is in the seventh house.You may be more prone to take control of your life and feel empowered to do something tangible with the your renewed "awareness" of external opportunities.