posted June 30, 2009 02:05 AM         

Transiting Saturn in 16'30 Virgo and Ceres in 16'44 Virgo are in my 1st house, and it is opposing secondary progressed Mars in 17'00 Pisces in my 7th house and squaring my secondary progressed Jupiter in 16'30 Sagittarius in my 4th house. Therefore, a t-square.

My Moon/Pluto midpoint is in 17'00 Sagittarius
secondary progressed Jupiter is conjuncting it and secondary progressed Mars is squaring it...........so SP Mars = Jupiter = NA Moon/Pluto
and transiting Saturn and Ceres are triggering that secondary progressed picture
so TR Saturn = Ceres = SP Mars = Jupiter = NA Moon/Pluto

I feel very frustrated,depressed,pessimistic,lonely,irritable,and low on energy...especially regards to family and relationships.

I am midlife crisis mode. Transiting Pluto in Capricorn in 4th square my Pluto in Libra in 1st.
2 weeks ago, I started adding old school friends on facebook. Some I haven't had contact in 18 years.

I wonder when I am ever going to get married and have a family of my own. I also added 2 cousins too. One of them I haven't had contact since my grandfather's funeral in 1998. I am re-connecting with people from my past.

My mom's health problems get me down a lot.
Just being around her is depressing. I worry about her.

I still miss my exgirlfriend,Meghann. I have always been missing her. I feel heaviness in my heart constantly, especially when I go to bed.

can anybody relate to transits to their secondary progressions.....especially transits triggering secondary progression pictures?

what events occurred during those transits?

posted June 30, 2009 03:29 PM         

You also have Nep/Jup/Chir squaring your natal venus. Again, if I am seeing it right.

I would prefer if you posted an astro.com chart, default style with no asteroids and transits and progressions. It's easier to read.

posted June 30, 2009 05:41 PM         

Yep...I already mentioned transiting Pluto in Capricorn in my 4th square my Pluto in Libra in 1st when I posted. That's why I talked about the mid-life crisis. It's well known as one of the midlife crisis transits.

"You also have Nep/Jup/Chir squaring your natal venus. Again, if I am seeing it right"

I use smaller orbs for transits of no more than 3 degree orbs applying and 1 degree separating,and so I didn't consider the conjunction being square my Venus. The conjunction is conjunct my natal Mars which is my 8th house ruler with Aries on my 8th house cusp and disposits my Chiron-Eris conjunction in Aries in 8th. I use co-rulers, and so I consider it the 3rd house ruler of my 3rd house and dispositor of my Sun,Mercury,Venus in Scorpio.

"I would prefer if you posted an astro.com chart, default style with no asteroids and transits and progressions. It's easier to read."

I included Juno because it's a major asteroid,and it's pertaining to relationships and transiting Uranus is in close opposition to it.

I included Sedna because it's a large transneptunian object,and its in almost exact applying opposition to my Venus. I can defintely can relate to that transit.

I included Eris because it's dwarf planet that it's larger than Pluto, and its quincunx my Venus less than half a degree.

I included Ceres because it's dwarf planet,and I always thought it was underrated. I find it important in nurturing,caring,mother stuff,and food.

I included centaur, Chiron because does seem important even though it's much smaller object than Ceres,Eris,and Sedna.

I wasn't asking for insight into my chart.

I only posted to ask people's views about transits to secondary progressions in general and in their own life. I wanted to know how they felt about transits to secondary progressions. I also wanted to know about events that were in synchroncity with them

the same with transits to secondary progression pictures.
Cosmobiologists use them just like they use transits to secondary solar arc pictures.
both are seen as psychological, and then when triggered by transits, they viewed to be in synchronicity with an event that happens and pertains to the triggered solar arc,secondary progression. They use midpoints with them.

I thought the chart would be easier to read because of the degrees,minutes are listed for the objects in the chart. I have problems reading astro.com charts which tend tend not show degrees when overlaying charts....especially when it comes to synastry. I tend to use tighter orbs..especially more so with outerplanets.
That's why I prefer to use Solar Fire for posting/looking at charts.

"I don't believe in transits to progressed chart too much. A little, but they rank under natal + transits, natal to progressed, and then natal + SA."

Thanks for answering the questions.

Peace

posted June 30, 2009 07:18 PM         

so can involve communications,early education(people I knew back in elementary school) as well as intimacy,transformation

posted June 30, 2009 07:18 PM         

so can involve communications,early education(people I knew back in elementary school) as well as intimacy,transformation

posted June 30, 2009 07:51 PM         

Raymond, re your chart, I notice TSaturn must've just conjuncted your ASC and is now in your first house--I am wondering if maybe when TJupiter passes out of your 6th and into your 7th, that weighty, confined feeling re: relationships and sense of being too far from marrying and starting your own family will be replaced by a more expansive feeling--the 1st house Saturn transit will play out more as really knowing what you want individually and knowing what you want in a relationship, and the TJupiter opposite it will sweeten the deal by connecting you with people you might want to partner with?

EDITED: Whoops, just noticed that you were not asking for insight into your chart, just using it as a general case study...sorry!

posted June 30, 2009 07:58 PM         

there is no need to apologize. I was just letting people know that I wasn't asking for insight into my chart.

if there is any, it's appreciated

I was just very curious about what others thought about their transits to secondary progressions and transit triggered secondary progression pictures.

posted June 30, 2009 08:16 PM         

Yeah...it can be very tough. I got dumped during that transit on April 2, 2008, but I also had transiting Saturn in Virgo in 12th in a grand cross to my lunar apex t-square. Interestingly, transiting stationary retrograde Pluto was exactly conjunct my Venus/Node midpoint to the minute,and squaring my Pluto. Mercury in Aries was opposing my Pluto too.

I also did things like change my diet like drastically dropped sugar,sweets,junkfood last summer as well as lifting weights. my mom's diabetes was also motivator. I did join a unity church during that transit. I got introduced to Eckhart Tolle's teachings during the transit too,and I can't get enough of his stuff. I just finished his "A New Earth" yesterday. I am going to read it again though, skim through some stuff like the painbody.

"I will look into transits to secondary progressions and see what I come up with. I do know that tPluto is conjunct my DC. My pDC is 0 cap. I was hoping that transits to progressed charts weren't valid because of that. I don't want tPluto in my DC! Since it just changed last month, I have no idea if it is an effect. If anyone knows, I'd like to know. "

I don't think that's anything to worry about. It could just be transformation involving relationships. It could be a profound event involving you and others. It could be getting rid of others that are no use to you any more. People that have outworn your welcome. Getting rid of the trash...so to speak. New people can come into your life.

That's how I feel transiting Pluto square Pluto has worked for me.

I am very glad to re-connect with old friends and relatives.

I realized to that I can't live like a loner any more. I want to be more social. I tend to be more of reclusive type.

That's one of the reasons I decided to join an interfaith unity church.

posted July 01, 2009 10:18 AM         

Now I struggle with 3 men (the last came on few weeks ago as a real Saturn-type!), most of the time very frustrating contacts but I cannot let them go although I tried this morning to break with the Saturn-type (I cannot predict or & how this will end). He was trying to unfold every part of my body and soul (as a real scorp - which he is, also his moon) with the justification that he wanted to know me better and help me to make me more happy and stable. In real life we get along much better than on the internet/chat, but somehow that's not enough. Oh yes, I feel that he is VERY serious with me but I cannot handle his focus on me (even ignorant of this approach). In my experience he is totally inquisitive and I yust want to have a good time without speaking about the pain and the past or the future (at least not forced): I said to him this morning: look for someone that can relate to your dream of the future & inquisitivety, but I’m NOT! (he is 28, I’m 37/ we have within an exact degree reversed nodes Leo/Aqua, also in reversed houses 6/12).

There’s someting more...Transiting South Node is almost exactly on my natal Cancer-Venus (29’53)right now....hm....

posted July 01, 2009 10:52 AM         

Saturn 16'37 (the exact same as my progressed Venus!)

posted July 01, 2009 11:28 AM         

I have to be more specific (saturn is still at 16'37 Virgo)

so,...

my progressed Venus = 16'37'58

Transiting Saturn (right now!) = 16'37'54

So, within a few minutes.....

posted July 01, 2009 12:13 PM         

that is incredible!

yeah...I don't doubt that transits to secondary progressions are significant.
..especially if its secondary picture being triggered by a hard transit...especially involving planets like Saturn which can be very difficult.

posted July 01, 2009 06:23 PM         

Secondary progressions are symbolic. Remember that we are equating one day of life (and planetary movement) after birth to one year of the life.

For years in my astrological studies, secondary progressions did not impress me. I wanted to find meaning in them, but I simply couldn't find a correlation between significant events and changes in my life and the secondary progressed aspects. It was not until I learned of two important "rules" before I learned their significance:

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Charles E. O. Carter wrote the following: "It is a cardinal rule that no direction can bring to pass what is not shown in the nativity. Exceptions to this are virtually non-existent." Progressions to progressions and progressions to natal positions are most significant when the planets involved form a significant interrelationship in the natal chart itself. The potential shown in the natal chart, therefore, rules.

Transits to secondary progressed planets are critical. With predictive work, students of astrology are encouraged to create a tri-wheel with the natal chart in the center, secondary progressions in the second wheel, and transits in the outer (third) wheel. This way, it is easy to see transits to both the natal chart and the progressed chart, progressed planets in relationship to the natal chart, and progressed planets in relation to other progressed planets. Adding transits to progressed planets and points to our study opens up much more detail.

So, for example, if my secondary progressed Mars is currently forming a square to my natal Venus, this may not correlate with a significant or obvious event (or series of events/changes) in my life if my natal Venus and Mars do not form an aspect. If, however, my natal Venus and Mars are in trine, it is more likely to indicate an event. If either planet receives a transit (especially from Venus or Mars themselves), it is even more likely.

Transits to progressions, therefore, act as triggers. Lunations and eclipses to progressed planets and points also act as triggers.
http://www.cafeastrology.com/secondaryprogressions.html