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etherealenlightenment
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posted July 02, 2009 09:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for etherealenlightenment     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Eros square Ascendant... how would this play out? I heard that any Eros contacts to the Ascendant would indicate instantaneous erotic attraction but would that still be the case with the square aspect?

I read on an earlier thread that hard aspects to eros would actually be much more potent and note-worthy than say, trines and sextiles, but would that be the case if the Ascendant is involved? Would it be kind of like "wow, this person is really not my type but there's something about them that really turns me on kind of thing?"

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posted July 02, 2009 10:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think this aspect with an orb of under 2 degrees might contribute to sexual tension in a relationship, with the Eros person feeling the tension...a slightly more frustrating, and thwarted, and less potent version of the Eros-ASC conjunction. The narrower the orb, the more it would be felt.

I'm looking at synastries a lot lately these days though, and feeling that asteroid aspects, even to the angles, are way, way less relevent than contacts between planets and angles. In another thread, I think it was DD (or Comica 23, or Denise? wish I could remember) who said asteroids are the icing, the planetary/angle aspects are the cake. This on its own, at a 0 degree orb, might add a little sexual frission to the relationship (or, a bit of a one-way creative spark or extra energy in a non-sexual one), but it would only be a big deal if it "iced" or highlighted "cake" aspects...for instance, if you had Eros-ASC square, Venus-Mars square, and Mars-DC conjunction.

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posted July 02, 2009 10:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Would it be kind of like "wow, this person is really not my type but there's something about them that really turns me on kind of thing?"

No, I think more--"Wow, this person turns me on, but he/she is frustrating me and this situation is frustrating me," thing. With Eros/AC it would be more about their physical appearance/initial vibe, with Eros/Sun it would be more a total (physical, personality, vibe, everything) attraction.

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posted July 02, 2009 10:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for etherealenlightenment     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh ok well thank you for your response Lucia!

Well, yes I know that it's not the meat and bones of the attraction, and that it's just the icing. I was just wondering how exactly it would play out... It is at a 0 degree orb as well... There are several more potent aspects both with eros and other planets and angles... just curious about what this would signify...

anyone else have any ideas?

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posted July 02, 2009 10:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for woah city     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
well i'm a fan of squares. probably cuz i have a lot in my chart. wouldn't it be kind of a more 'erotic' version of mars square AC?

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posted July 02, 2009 10:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for etherealenlightenment     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah see that's what I thought too, woahcity!

And the thing with Eros (from what I read) is that the hard aspects are more potent...

The thing is I have this with my bf and he told me that when he saw me he immediately thought I was "smokin' hot" but one time when I asked him, he pretty much told me that I'm not his usual type (although he says he finds me extremely attractive)! ...which kind of hurt my feelings... my venus in aries NEEDS to be adored, and knowing that I'm not what he naturally prefers is sometimes a little bit of a blow to my ego... you know what I mean?

So when I saw this aspect in our chart, I thought maybe this could be the explanation of the erotic attraction despite me not being physically what he usually goes for?

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posted July 03, 2009 04:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ethereal,

I actually think your interpretation is spot on.
The square providing a lot of energy, but also that feeling "Something`s not right"; or he / she is so NOT what I am attracted to.

But at the same time the Eros is being triggered, so there is erotic attraction against will or better knowledge or even one`s own type.
But maybe it could also lead to some resentiment, I guess, if the Eros person feels deeply attracted but consciously rejects that attraction, then it will lead to much tension.

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posted July 03, 2009 04:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lucia,

I agree with most asteroids aspects being the icing; just in the case of Eros and Juno I am not sure. Just because I noticed so overwhelmingly storng aspects to these two asteroids in several synastries, which were definitely comparable to the major aspects. Actually Eros seemed to play a greater role than Sun in most synastries! BUT I still have to reserach this some more. Maybe it was just coincidence.

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posted July 03, 2009 05:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquarian/scorpio     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have this with someone where his Mars/Eros is conjunct my AC in Aries and sqaured my Sun. lol No wonder he could not keep his hands to himself when i was around.

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posted July 03, 2009 12:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for etherealenlightenment     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
DD,

Well I sure HOPE it doesn't cause resentment!! I mean we've been together almost a year! It's not like he's repulsed by me or anything like that (at least I don't think so lol) It's just that I'm (relatively) tall, blonde and blue-eyed,late virgo or libra ascendant (still can't quite figure it out lol) and he's a cancer venus... meaning he's attracted to dark hair and dark features mostly...

So you see what I'm saying? I mean he's completely attracted to me but it's kind of odd, knowing that I'm not exactly what he usually goes for... which kind of makes me self-conscious sometimes...

But I think that Eros square Ascendant would explain it! And yes, I agree with you DD, Eros and Juno really are quite important in synastry!

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posted July 03, 2009 12:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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and he's a cancer venus... meaning he's attracted to dark hair and dark features mostly...

Huh? Why would Cancer Venus mean that?

I think issues like resentment and frustration with ASC square Eros or similar aspects would play out more on the emotional level, even though the ASC does show how we experience someone on a surface/appearance-based level. I'm not sure the content of the frustration could be seen from that asteroid alone, but the quality of it could.

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posted July 05, 2009 11:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for etherealenlightenment     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
oh thanks lucia! Yeah I see what you mean by that... well I don't think that it's frustrating for him... i think it's just frustrating for me! lol

well the reason I said that cancer venus would mean that is because many cancer risings, in fact I should say MOST cancer risings I've seen have had dark features... isn't angelina jolie a cancer rising as well? anyway I'm sort of the opposite of that type... light skin, blonde hair, blue eyes...

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posted July 05, 2009 03:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dolphin07     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am a Cancer rising and I have blonde hair and gray eyes.

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posted July 05, 2009 03:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lovegoblin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
would other aspects (squares) to the ascendant cause same reactions?

ex-valentine square someones ascendant
juno square someones ascendant.

they would be what you are not usually attracted to?

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posted July 05, 2009 06:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for etherealenlightenment     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
oh sorry Dolphin! Didn't mean to generalize... I should say all the cancer rising's that I've KNOWN...

Well Venus in a Man's Chart shows you what he's attracted to... so he has Venus in Cancer (as well as a cancer stellium)... and he's always told me that he likes dark hair and dark eyes... so wouldn't the embodiment of his venus be a woman with a cancer AC? and being completely opposite of that wouldn't it kind of explain the Eros square Ascendant... However his Valentine does conjunct my AC as well so would that modify it?

lol sorry if this is confusing

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posted July 05, 2009 06:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just really don't buy this squares of love/sex objects to the ASC as "not what you're usually attracted to", unless Uranus is heavily involved at a tight orb.

I think squares between love/sex asteroids and the ASC, MOON, SUN, or VENUS cause the asteroid person to feel an intense attraction to/interest in the angle/planet person, but barriers and obstacles (emotional or just logistical) keep coming up to block them from really playing out those feelings. (If it's a love object-Mars square, the frustration is mutual.)

I think for two young, heterosexual people, the boy being attracted to a similar-age blond girl instead of his usual similar-age brunette girl does not qualify as a "not my usual type" issue...if he was suddenly hot for an obese, 47-year-old, one-legged woman from a strange country he had never visited, who was a different race than his family and friends, to me that would qualify as "not his usual type." Uranus would be involved.

This Eros square ASC is playing out, I think, more in the following way: He is sexually attracted to her, but one or both feel a need to engage in some sort of sexual power-play surrounding the idea that she's not his usual type, which is actually a way to make a girl feel insecure.

I think most love-object, ASC squares would bring an element of mixed attraction and tension for couples.

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posted July 05, 2009 07:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for etherealenlightenment     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I understand what you're saying Lucia.

lol yeah you're right! It does make a difference between the two physical examples you gave (i.e. the young blond girl and 47 year old woman)...

So you don't think the asteroids have that much of an effect in angle aspects? In that case would you only consider the planets then?

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posted July 05, 2009 08:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I do think asteroid-angle aspects have an effect, as I explained in my post above. I just disagree with some of the interpretations here--I definitely don't think that Eros square ASC would mean anything about the ASC person not being the Eros person's usual physical type. It would mean that the Eros person would feel somehow thwarted/frustrated in fully expressing his/her attraction for the ASC person.

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posted July 05, 2009 10:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Redstar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I Agree with Lucia completely.

In my experience square/challenging sexual - angle/planet aspects aren't so much about the 'wrong type' energy playing out, but more about the difficulty/challenge in expressing that energy, specifically as seen by the points involved.

The square is not necessarily describing the nature of the attraction/interaction on a static level (to which such descriptive characteristics as 'type' belong) but the dynamic resolution or challenge presented by the interaction - it shows how and in what manner the active impulse belonging to the aspect can be manifest - nice and easy (trine) or in a stilted, frustrated and friction-like manner (square).

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posted July 05, 2009 10:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for etherealenlightenment     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks guys!! I really appreciate your insight Lucia and Redstar!

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posted July 07, 2009 12:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aerialcircus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted January 21, 2018 04:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Moving this to Asteroid Astrology.

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