posted July 05, 2009 11:10 PM         

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The square is not necessarily describing the nature of the attraction/interaction on a static level (to which such descriptive characteristics as 'type' belong) but the dynamic resolution or challenge presented by the interaction - it shows how and in what manner the active impulse belonging to the aspect can be manifest - nice and easy (trine) or in a stilted, frustrated and friction-like manner (square).

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I think this is true and profound about ALL aspects. If two planets are making contact in synastry, they are engaged/relating to each other...meaning that the two people WANT to relate to each other in that way...

I really notice this because I have, with someone I like, Sun-Sun square, a Sun-Mercury square Double Whammy, and Mercury-Mercury square. Before really studying synastry, I would've thought that meant, "Those people have a huge communication block and wouldn't want to communicate with each other." But really, it means "Those people have a huge communication block (the square), but really want to communicate with each other and care deeply about that." People who weren't concerned or engaged with communicating with each other might not have Sun or Mercury contacts.

I think planets in signs and houses show the content of the connection, attraction, and interest between people, while aspects show the form.

What do you think?

posted July 06, 2009 08:06 AM         

- his Sun quincunx my Moon/Venus;
- his Mercury trine my Sun;
- his Mercury bi-quintile my Moon;
- his Venus/Mars oppose my Sun;
- his Venus quincunx my Mars.

posted July 06, 2009 09:39 AM         

The Venus-Mars opp Sun is a very intense sex-relationship aspect though, just itself.

posted July 06, 2009 01:47 PM         

Then again, I used a really narrow orb and everyone was saying, "too much trine trine trine", but we've got lots of squares at a slightly wider orb (the default setting on astro.com), and lots of love/fate asteroid stuff, and some significant stuff that turns DW when using astro.com's default orb (including Venus-Pluto, Jupiter-NN, Eros-Mars, and Valentine-ASC.) And the other synastries I'd posted were all of people who had had romantic/sexual relationships for 3+ years, whereas I just want a fling/friendship with this guy. STILL--they could tell and they were right.

And I've been looking at other's synastry here, and even when they feel a mutual connection, I can always see in the synastry WHY it's not playing out. So I'm kind of bummed about it.

Then again, I have sexy and soul-mate-y synastry with some of the random guys in my astro.com birth info database, with whom I would never want to hook up.

posted July 06, 2009 02:05 PM         

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Originally posted by, Lucia23

I really notice this because I have, with someone I like, Sun-Sun square, a Sun-Mercury square Double Whammy, and Mercury-Mercury square. Before really studying synastry, I would've thought that meant, "Those people have a huge communication block and wouldn't want to communicate with each other." But really, it means "Those people have a huge communication block (the square), but really want to communicate with each other and care deeply about that, BUT HAVE A DIFFICULT TIME TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WAYS TO BETTER THEIR COMMUNICATION WITH EACH OTHER." People who weren't concerned or engaged with communicating with each other might not have Sun or Mercury contacts.

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If you don't mind Lucia23, I added to your comment. (In Bold)

posted July 06, 2009 02:09 PM         

The thing is, even with all the difficulties, both people keep trying...and I think with no aspects, maybe they just wouldn't care.

posted July 06, 2009 02:17 PM         

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And I've been looking at other's synastry here, and even when they feel a mutual connection, I can always see in the synastry WHY it's not playing out. So I'm kind of bummed about it.

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posted July 06, 2009 02:34 PM         

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It could also be that a person might not be prepared yet for the relationship too.

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The thing that is creeping me out, but also intriguing me, is that the more I learn about synastry (through looking at charts on this site, etc), the more I see that it shows IN THE CHART things like "both people are heterosexual and of the same sex" or "one person is not ready"--and in a way that doesn't even make sense, because any relationship has a trajectory, from strangers to friends to lovers to exes, say...but yet, when someone posts three synastries on the "synastry guessing game" thread, you can tell which is the "just friends," which is the karmic marriage, which is the torrid affair. Or can you?

Here are things I find in synastry that show me why one person is obsessively posting for guidance on an astrology site, while the other is MIA:
-Neptune, Neptune, Neptune; especially Venus-Neptune...this seems to cause people to almost prefer to obsess about their unconsummated love online than to actually hang out
-one-sided Venus/NN conjunction (the NN person feels a huge draw toward the Venus person, maybe unreciprocated...because this is tied into some crucial personal lesson for the node person that might have little to do with the relationship, the node person can end up obsessing about the connection on a site like this one)
-a chart full of semi-intense asteroid contacts, but uninspiring synastry between the planets...this seems to spark a lot of tension/obsession/sexual intrigue without the kinds of aspects that make the couple make the effort to, say, move to the same place geographically, or have a real conversation about the relationship, or commit to each other, or really get to know each other better in person
-natally, the online obsesser is a big bundle of Neptune or Pluto, and just meeting someone vaguely interesting will cause him/her to obsess (Pluto) or project/fantasize/idealize (Neptune)

posted July 06, 2009 02:51 PM         

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-one-sided Venus/NN conjunction (the NN person feels a huge draw toward the Venus person, maybe unreciprocated...because this is tied into some crucial personal lesson for the node person that might have little to do with the relationship, the node person can end up obsessing about the connection on a site like this one)

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posted July 07, 2009 01:36 AM         

That synastry thread is great, as I think it allows us to spot these trends easier- such as the occurrence of lack of aspects to one partner's *sexual*/rulers of 5th/7th/8th often playing out as unrequited love, or unreturned affection.

Lucia23 how does the mutual Sun-Mercury square play out for you?
I have this with my partner, and when I had another astrologer draw up the charts, she was adamant that no good would come from
such a two way challenge.

But being stubborn and hotheaded, I didn't listen to her.

The way it plays out in my relationship is that we both have different mother tongues, and converse with each other in English, while living in a non-English speaking society mostly.Our house is filled with books
in 5 different languages, and communication is often a mishmash of words from different languages. This can be great, but can also hinder clear and concise communication.
But I have noticed this only applies to word-based communication, as the silent and intuitive communication seems not to be affected.

Thus the communication related square is quite literally manifesting each of us having grown up with such a drastically different language (the languages, and the associated modes of thinking and communicating are very different).

I can only feel sorry for any possible future children, as I'm sure it's a head trip trying to decipher our communication.

I'm sorry you had such a traumatic experience with Venus/node contact. My heart goes out ot you.I only hope time has let you heal, or at least to regain the confidence you have lost in your intuitive abilities.
I have a wide his venus my SN conjunction,
and can only imagine how a venus/NN connection would send you for a loop.

posted July 07, 2009 02:23 PM         

NO FUN.

posted July 07, 2009 08:29 PM         

It is hard to tell without degrees, but in the first chart, is your ASc R Saturn inconjunct his ASc R Venus? Coupled with his Saturn on your Sun may have impeded anything from developing, but you're right the synastry is very promising.
Or it could just be a classic case of that free will principle, whereby the stage was set, but one of the actors was not ready/had the nerves/'chickened out'.

With that North node-MC conjunction on top of the Venus-NN tie and benefic Moon-Moon interactions on both sides, you are certainly not lacking connections.

Chart 2

Wow North nodes in opposition,I've read that this can be often found in charts of family members, and individuals who are to play significant parts in each other's lives, in terms of their respective destinies and development.

Does his Venus make an aspect to your Saturn?
And your moon to his Mars?
(Sorry, I am crap at reading charts over the net without degrees)

You're both Sun-Mercury conjunct individuals, and these are square in the passionate Fixed Leo-Scorpio, I'd imagine that Sun-Merc Square would be important as you both need strong and intense communication to feel
good.

Your sun receives primarily only square aspects from his planets - do you feel this as the partner who seems to make or seek more adjustments, or finds that the relationship incites more transformative
energies in you as an individual. This is also supported by his Pluto on your MC, Pluto squaring your venus and sextiling your ASc.

I'm gonna have a more thorough look asap

Oh my synastry is this (I am on the inside):

posted July 07, 2009 09:14 PM         

In chart 1: Yes, it's my NN conjunct his Venus-Neptune. I feel like I didn't learn a thing from knowing him except that some people can look at everything I am and see no value in me. I'd never felt that before in any connection with a person--before, when I felt that much attraction/interest/care, intuitively felt a mutual interest, or revealed myself in any way, everyone I was THAT interested in before, as a lover or friend, fell in love with me or adored me.

My Saturn is in a fun and rewarding quincunx to his Venus (2)...btw I am rounding down the degrees.

Chart 2: Both of us feel stretched/transformed by the relationship--I know I do, and he has said he was a different person before knowing me. It seems pretty equal in that way from my side (though of course I can't know)--my Sun is widely trine his Jupiter (8) and Neptune (5) and closely semisextile his Mars (1), so maybe that offsets those squares to some extent. My Moon/Saturn conjunct his MC and Pluto loosely conjunct his AC, square his MC seem to balance this out. At an wide orb, our Pluto-Venus and NN-Jupiter become double whammies, and I feel that. I am fond of this relationship as a friendship and creative collaboration, and would be interested in making it sexual...but it would definitely stay a sort of Jupiterian sexual friendship rather than turning romantic.

His Venus is quintile my Saturn (0), and my Moon is quintile his Mars (0)...I love quintiles. There is a lot of shared intuitive energy between us. But the relationship can get complicated and frustrating...beyond those DW Sun-Sun, Sun-Merc, Merc-Merc squares, sometimes it feels like it's all about Venus-Pluto and Eros-Mars...tension you could cut with a knife. Roughhousing. Verbal/emotional sparring. And then other times it is very sweet and we feel connected.

Back to yours: you both have a LOT of Saggie energy--lookit those 1st house stellia--and all the Sags I know are multilingual and love travel, foreign cultures, and new languages...so maybe there's an upside to the Mercury square thing.

I personally can't imagine how an astrologer thought you could keep your mitts off each other...not only is Sun-Valentine sweet, but Eros-Pluto opp Union-Mars-Venus-Lust? YUM. And is that a classic Eros-Psyche opp? (I am beyond crap at reading aspects--I can only read conjunctions!) Gluey nodal connections too.

posted July 07, 2009 10:08 PM         

Was it completely one sided with no indication whatsoever of a possible two way connection? I am intrigued and compelled now to see if we can fine tune it down to what possible aspects caused this, if indeed there are such aspects present.

Very perceptive and dead on analysis that was.
I think that Sun-Valentine conjunction saved our ***** numerous times when the squares got a little too active.
I completely agree in regards to Jupiter in synastric analysis - it often plays a far greater role in generating that amicable and supportive atmosphere that allows people to co-exist successfully as independent and different individuals.
Yes for all that mutability and wanderlust, I have an insanely strong need to create a 'hideout' from the world.
Thank you Sun on IC.

You know, the sag-multilingual connection did not occur to me until you mentioned it!
Thank you for your great insights.

I kinda fear for the offspring too - two Fire dominated mutable parents with full 1st houses? Run for the hills (or else coem prepared with crash helmets)!

It is comforting to know you don't think I was crazy to pursue this relationship
I think that astrologer saw the Sun-merc DW squares,mars-merc square and the Sun-Neptune square, and didn't think it was a fruitful venture for anyone but the lunatics. I think she also mentioned that due to that Saturn-NN
conjunction adn that exact venus-pluto opposition, it was a mutual steel death trap that would be very hard to get out of alive.
Hopefully I will never get to test that theory out.

Chart 2 synastry:
This one is the possible relationship you'd be interested in persuing, yes (I am slow lately..)?
Ah Sun trine Jupiter is great! I would still count the trine, as you are also sensitive to Jupiter natally. Sorry If I didn't articulate myself well with the squares - I'd take having your individuality (Sun) challenged by squares to ultimately be a GOOD thing - gives you something to work with in a relationship, something to 'fight for' as it were. Like having active 'work' to do to keep you interested and mobile. A trine wouldn't generate the same involvement form your side.

Both your Plutos respectively contact the angles of the other - definitely transformative and deep relating, perhaps lifelong involvement, if saturn concurs.

Venus quintile Saturn and moon quintile mars I would take as a great aspects to have - wow being 0 degree aspects to boot, I'm sure you have great ease around each other, with perhaps a rather active and 'physical' way of expressing you emotional moods/feelings.

With your AS-MC lined up like that, I'd
certainly give the relationship a go.

It's interesting that he has that Sun-Saturn conjucntion, and you have the Moon-Saturn conjucntion.
You're both used to saturnine energy, and that can be a uniting factor too.