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Lara
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posted July 09, 2009 05:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
Hi everyone

I don't know about you guys but composites always confuse me.

What are your favourite and least favourite aspects in composites and do they fall in any particular houses please?

Maybe everyone can also write anything about composites they have learnt so we may learn off each other?

The only think i know is that fixed AC means long-lasting and that sun/mercury/venus conjunct is sweet?!

Thanks

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Lara
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posted July 09, 2009 05:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
Also squares... every composite seems to have squares. I'm looking at a friends composite at moment and she has moon square saturn 2' with her guy.

Is that binding or repressive on the emotions?

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posted July 09, 2009 07:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls*     Edit/Delete Message
I like stelliums of Sun, Venus, and other planets. The Sun conjunct Venus is very good to have in a composite (I have yet to be in a romantic relationship where this wasn't an aspect). These stelliums should be angular, or in the 5th. Most of my relationships have had 10th house stelliums. Squares from Saturn and Uranus are difficult to handle especially to the Moon and Venus, but it's not the end of the world.

I'm not very fond of scattered charts as it signifies that the relationship doesn't have a focus. Unaspected planets are also a bad sign (especially if the planet is the Sun, Moon or Venus) because they are not integrated in the relationship.

These are just from personal observations.

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StarrofVenusGirl
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posted July 09, 2009 07:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarrofVenusGirl     Edit/Delete Message
Venus conjunct Mars in a composite chart is always nice. Sun conjunct Moon also.

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Lara
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posted July 09, 2009 07:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks amowls. I am noticing a lot of planetary geometry in composites. Do you find these in yours?

I agree, these long term composites seem to be quite concentrated in one area. Presumably venus/uranus hard aspects are not good either?

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Lara
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posted July 09, 2009 07:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks Starr

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PeaceAngel
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posted July 09, 2009 08:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeaceAngel     Edit/Delete Message
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Presumably venus/uranus hard aspects are not good either?

Is that because any Uranus relates to magnetic attraction, but not long-term? Does that change with hard or easy aspects, do you think?

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Lara
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posted July 09, 2009 08:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
hmmm maybe?

I have found that guys with venus/uranus "anything" natally tend to be a bit naughty. Not sure how that translates into a composite venus/uranus though.

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amowls*
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posted July 09, 2009 08:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls*     Edit/Delete Message
Composite Venus/Uranus can mean that your affection for one another comes and goes.

Sun square Uranus on the other hand, means that the relationship itself comes and goes.

Composites with a definite pattern/geometry are good.

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PeaceAngel
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posted July 09, 2009 08:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeaceAngel     Edit/Delete Message
Well that just makes sense, thanks amowls - logical interpretation.

I take it Saturn-Node links are binding as they are in synastry?

EDIT: Lara - nothing wrong with naughty.

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Lara
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posted July 09, 2009 08:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
yup thanks from me too Amowls.. makes a LOT of sense. I have sun/uranus opposition and venus/uranus quincunx in composite with gun man! zzzzz


PA - well i meant to say unfaithful but i'm not sure i believe in a committed relationship to one person for life so i changed it to naughty hehe

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posted July 09, 2009 08:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeaceAngel     Edit/Delete Message
Ah, unfaithful not so good. Just thinking - if it's in the composite, wouldn't it give equal possibility to both partners then? Maybe just that they can't commit to each other?

Yeah - I'm on the fence when it comes to the concept of "someone for life". We change, so our likes and needs, etc, do too - it's a hard one. But.... I think that's another thread. One person for life is a nice concept though - not sure of the practicalities of it - but still, nice ideal - something beautiful about it.

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Lara
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posted July 09, 2009 08:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
yeah i think it does mean they can't commit to each other... unless like us, there is also saturn on AC or something which then means you can't stay and can't leave! grrr

yes - its all a matter of maturity and perspective, innit

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posted July 09, 2009 08:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeaceAngel     Edit/Delete Message
The whole with or without you thing. Ah, that's hard. Funny thing Saturn. Struggle with it in my natal chart. But when it comes to synastry or composite aspects I feel much happier about him.

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Lara
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posted July 09, 2009 08:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
interesting... i find the opposite. Its such an integral part of me in natal that any saturn bang on my stellium in synastry is really ouch! thats suffocating to me.

Must be a combo of aqua AC with the moon/venus/nn/saturn conjunct i guess.

Amazing how we experience such opposing aspects of a mere planet!

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posted July 09, 2009 08:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeaceAngel     Edit/Delete Message
I think because in synastry and composite I see it as offering permanence and stability, whereas in my natal, it offers hard and long lessons (balance) in areas in my life that I just want to be sorted quite quickly. But it just doesn't work like that. Natally, Saturn is opposite Jupiter (retrograde) so there's some lessons of balance to learn.

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Lara
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posted July 09, 2009 08:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
yes true! Actually i think saturn must be important to me as a lesson cos our composite has saturn/AC conjunct almost exact and the AC is same as my natal sun so i'm REALLY in it and it's a fundamental part of me yikes

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posted July 09, 2009 09:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for comica23     Edit/Delete Message
It seems that Saturn and Mars often represents the man in the relationship, while Moon and Venus represents the woman.

Hard aspects to Uranus brings excitement but it can be unstable. Hard aspects to Neptune, it depends.. it seems that if it's with Venus/Mars, it could indicate unfaithfulness; with Mercury, can be deceptions; with Saturn, can mean that the man is deceptive, and with Moon, can mean the woman is insecure/unsure.

Pluto seems to have to do with cruelty, deep issues and sexual impulses without emotional attachment, but also deep compassion and feelings if well aspected.

Nice aspects to Jupiter seems to bring happiness, commitment and joy/warmth. Maybe even hard aspects does. X3

Also, midpoints seems to be relevant, although it's a bit hard to understand the meanings. But well, I'm not keen at analyzing composites anyways.. What I've stated are just what I've observed from another skilled astrologer's composite analysis.


In my case, my composite has Venus/Mars/Juno conjunction in Cancer 2nd house oppose Jupiter in Capricorn 8th house. Saturn trines Mars, and Sun/Uranus/Mercury are unaspected. Our relationship have been warm, affectionate, devoted and comfortable. ^_^
The problems are.. Moon square Neptune, coz in fact I'm insecure from time to time; also, Neptune/Pluto sextile forms a yod with Chiron (so Chiron oppose their midpoint), which is kinda evil coz sometimes there's this compassion/understanding problem. T_T And then, this is kinda aggravated coz Moon/Chiron sextile forms a yod to Pluto, which can add more meanness - yet gladly, Moon sextile Chiron is the aspect that helps solving any problems of the relationship. ^_~ This whole picture of the Moon/Chiron/Pluto/Neptune aspects seems to be our composite's main problem, but then overall the relationship is nice. ^_^
And ah, Jupiter is also bi-novile to Moon, which seems to add more joy joy lol~
Our composite AC is Gemini, and interestingly, we are both into technology, computers, video games and other similar entertainment stuffs. XD
NN and Chiron are on the AC, but I'm not very sure how exactly do they manifest lol. ^_^;

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Lara
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posted July 09, 2009 10:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
PA

SKYSCRIPT says:
Jupiter opposition Saturn
The opposition between Jupiter and Saturn suggests difficulty in recognizing personal limitations. In one sense this is good. You continue to plod forward in the face of just about any adversity, and you may face a good deal of adversity. This aspect often shows success coming in the later part of life. There is a tendency to compare yourself unfavorably with other people. http://www.skyscript.co.uk/jupiteraspects.html

lol i like the plod along bit

BTW, what houses do sag and cappy rule for you?

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posted July 09, 2009 10:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls*     Edit/Delete Message
My boyfriend and I's composite has Moon square Uranus AND Moon square Saturn lol. It's very flip floppy in terms of who is more into whom at any given time.

I don't necessarily believe that the Sun/Mars = Man, Moon/Venus = woman because composites aren't always drawn up for a man and a woman and they're not always romantic.

Sun = identity of the relationship
Moon = emotional responses
Venus = affection
Mars = energy/drive

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posted July 09, 2009 10:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for normalize     Edit/Delete Message
With Moon square Saturn, it might be difficult to let emotional exchanges flow. When your friend tries to confide in her boyfriend or seek emotional support from him, he might respond coldly or critically. She may withhold her true feelings to avoid getting shot down. If other aspects support open communication, this relationship could be a lesson in sensitivity for him and practicality for her.

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posted July 09, 2009 11:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for meta_4     Edit/Delete Message
What about different configurations in composite charts? Grand Squares, T-Squares, Grand Trines, Kites, etc? What about more than one configuration?

I'm assuming that it depends upon what planets are involved, but nevertheless, would that hinder or help the relationship?

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posted July 09, 2009 12:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message
I've never really related much to composites. For one thing, I much prefer the precision in a synastry chart in highlighting what each person is feeling and how they effect each other...I'm not as drawn to the idea of the relationship as an entity in and of itself. The synastry offers more nuance, or so it seems to me.

More annoyingly, composites seem so mathematical to me...I feel like if in synastry/real life, A's stellium falls into B's 9th house and B's stellium falls into A's 11th house, the composite will give them a massive 10th house stellium, which isn't necessarily at all what the relationship is about. If A's Venus is in Cap and B's is in Pisces, they'll have this Sadge Venus that probably isn't what they're playing out at all.

My composite with my ex always felt sooo inaccurate...it made us a Virgo Sun! He's a typical Libra, I'm a typical Leo, and in a way, ALL of my relationships (family, friends, romantic, sexual) are 8th house Leonine, and ALL of his relationships are 11th house Libran...Virgo is a mutable sign, and our relationship as we perceived it or as others did felt like it had no Virgo qualities at all.

My composite with the guy I have a crush on now is very similar...our Sun nudges into Libra because he's a Scorpio, but I feel like the caluculation is just sort of a mathematical default, especially with all the planets converging right in between where each of our natal planets are.

I've looked at composites with probably 20 friends or lovers, and they ALL feel that way...Neptune on the ASC when the relationship isn't really Neptunian at all, Sun, Moon, Rising signs that really don't capture the feeling of the relationship or how others see us.

I mean, Libra + Leo just does not equal Virgo! Pisces + Taurus does not equal Aries! To me this methodology is a real problem.

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posted July 11, 2009 02:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pire     Edit/Delete Message
Composite are meant to be about the relationship so it has Nothing to do with each person sun sign i think. And especially when we know that sun sign are not the whole picture for any individual.
I think composite are valid.

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posted July 11, 2009 03:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message
What I mean is that the composite Sun Sign is supposed to indicate the identity of the relationship as an entity unto itself.

As a Leo, none of my relationships with anyone feel Virgoan, but having a Virgo Sun for the relationship with my Libra Sun/Leo Venus ex really felt inaccurate. We had a very splashy, public, kind of Leonine relationship--the signs that would have fit it (how others perceived it, how each of us perceived it) could have been Leo, Libra, or Sagittarius (that might've been most accurate)...possibly Aries or Gemini.

I feel like the only reason the Sun Sign for our relationship as its own entity comes out as Virgo is because of the mathematics of the midpoint method...NOT because of any energies inherent in either of us, in the relationship as its own discrete entity, in the moment of our relationship's inception, or in any of the energies that it expressed.

In contrast to, say, a natal chart, which is connected to the positioning of actual astronomical entities at the moment of first breath...there's no relationship at all between actual planetary positions and the composite chart, so it's not an actual horoscope.

(horoscope="a chart or diagram representing the positions of the Sun, Moon, planets, the astrological aspects, and sensitive angles at the time of an event, such as the moment of a person's birth"...synastry shows the interactions between two horoscopes...even horary uses an actual horoscope method, with connections between actual planetary/angle placements and the moment of the question)

The composite does this mathematical thing, devoid of actual astronomical connection, with EVERY placement, not just the individual's Sun Signs...perhaps I am not articulating this well. I mean that the composite seems to be the result of mathematical default, and in looking at my composites with people, I really notice that! Like in the gigantic 10th house stellium in my ex's composite with my mother--they had sooo little to do with each other's career or life path--that 10th house in Cancer is just the midway point between each of their placements.

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