posted July 12, 2009 02:18 PM            

Saturn?

posted July 12, 2009 02:22 PM            

2) Moon square pluto. This doesn't necessarily specify the absence of a father, but it can signify sudden upheavals in family life.

3) Sun in eighth house

4) Saturn in Leo (not always)

posted July 12, 2009 02:28 PM            

nSaturn:

In 12th
square Moon
conjunct Mercury
conjunct Pluto (Part of a 12th/Libra stellium)

nSun:

In 11th
sextile Mars
sextile Moon
square Neptune

posted July 12, 2009 02:51 PM            

I have Sun quincunx retrograde Saturn with 12 minutes of arc.

I have Sun conjunct retrograde true Black Moon Lilith with 22 minutes of arc.
Part of Clairvision's interpretation for that aspect was that father was absent, literally or figuratively and/or was fought against. All that was true with me. I never knew my father,and I fought against my stepfather.

Transneptunian objects that include kuiper belt objects and the oort cloud object,Sedna in aspect to the Sun could indicate the absent father. The transneptunians orbit beyond Neptune, and so they can relate to the "unknown",the hidden,out of reach,nonconformity,otherworldly....especially Sedna which is an inner oort cloud object, and is the most distant object when it is at is farthest point from the Sun which is known as aphelion

I have very strong transneptunian energy to the Sun

Sun in Scorpio (the sign associated with the unknown,ruled by Pluto)
Sun conjunct plutino,Ixion -'05
Sun conjunct Quaoar - 2'58 (1'46 in Right Ascension)
Sun contraparallel plutino,Orcus - '01
Sun contraparallel Pluto - '46
Sun oppose Sedna - '43 in Right Ascension
Sun quincunx Varuna - '05 in Right Ascension

Sun conjunct heliocentric South Eris Node - '10

The very strong kuiper belt energy involving my Sun reflects my father in many ways

He was a Black Creole neurodivergent man born in New Orleans,Louisiana in 1941. He grew up in Lake Charles,Louisiana with a grandmother that practiced magick,Hoodoo protection like leaving snakes on the porch to ward off negative spirits. Therefore,he grew up believing in metaphysical stuff but never practiced any. He was a highly superstitious person just like his grandmother. He would gather up his hair after a haircut to prevent it from being used magickally against him. He went to prison for selling drugs for his uncle in Los Angeles, and he ended up with drug problem too. He was diagnosed as paranoid schizophrenic by prison psychiatrists at time where it was common for black people to get those diagnoses and his neurodivergence was very much likely to have been a greater factor. That was all before he went to San Francisco and met my white mother leading me to be born in that same city. Interracial relationships very uncommon before I was born and even years after. San Francisco is known for its liberalism,openmindedness and home for many weird,nonconformist types. It's no wonder my father moved to that city.

my father was definitely a nonconformist in many ways,and a bit otherworldly as well of course unknown, "beyond reach" to me.

My mother told me that I am very much like my father in many ways even though I don't know him. That's definitely true neurologically and not just psychologically.

I am a believer that transneptunian objects (especially hard aspects) involving the Sun fit more with an absent father more than anything.

other things that also fit

transneptunian dwarf planet,Haumea square my Midheaven/Imum Coeli axis with 3 minutes of arc can indicate unknown parent and nonconformist,out of reach parent as well as domestic upheaval

Moon square transneptunian,Varuna with 10 minutes of arc can indicate the domestic upheaval

I also have t-square
of Moon in Pisces in 6th square the opposition of retrograde Saturn in Gemini in 9th and Jupiter-Neptune in Sagittarius in 3rd.

Saturn-Midheaven in Gemini conjunction also opposes my Jupiter-Imum Coeli in Sagittarius conjunction.

Raymond

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“It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status.

In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.

posted July 12, 2009 03:15 PM              

she has 8th house sun
moon square pluto/saturn AND venus (t sq)

she also has sun TRINE uranus/jup and moon which would indicate a fairly easy acceptance of disruptions in relationships, which does not fit her at all!

her FATHER's uranus conjuncts her asc.
his saturn sq her mars
his neptune conj her saturn
his asc sq her moon
his pluto sq her jup/uranus

they also have trined out of sign suns.
venus conj moon
moon conj venus
squared NODES
squared moons...
her neptune conj his jup

posted July 12, 2009 03:40 PM            

I never knew my biological father and my adopted father and mother divorced when I was 5 and I haven't seen him since.

Natal chart:

Looks like Sun square Neptune, Saturn semi-square Uranus, and Sun trine Moon.

posted July 12, 2009 06:22 PM            

My mc is in pisces and neptune square lilith by less than 2 degrees.

My sister's mc is in gemini and mercury square her lilith by less than 3 degrees

And StarofVenusGirl's mc is in sag and jupiter semisquare
lilith exactly.

Anyone else has this patern?

Lilith represent what we crave, the 10th house would represent the outside world i.e. the father's domain, and equal house because it is the most obvious to me

posted July 12, 2009 06:54 PM            

Anything that could be significant is that the Ruler of the House that's tenanted by Lilith is Saturn.

posted July 12, 2009 07:04 PM            

I thought i had a eureka moment! It was good while it lasted though.

Argh...

posted July 12, 2009 07:11 PM            

quote:

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So it means you've got lilith in capricorn in third house right?

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Right.

And... Lilith is opposed my NN (exact) which is in Cancer in 9th (equal/placidus). The 9th house is ruled by Moon (equal/placidus).

To make it oppose my Moon, which is the Ruler of my 10th(Placidus), then the orb would be over 10 degrees... which is invalid in my books. Unless we are working with elements only, in which case Capricorn does oppose Cancer.

posted July 12, 2009 07:38 PM            

I think i made a tiny mistake when talking about the equal house system. The 10th represent the outside world, hence the dad, but it might not be the tenth house cusp in the equal house system but just the MC ruler. the MC is the most elevated point of the chart, therefore it could be more significant if we follow the theory of dad=outside world.
I looked at your chart in know two are alike and your MC in cancer would make the moon its ruler. And your lilith at 10 cap makes a 165 degree aspect to the moon. There is a name for this aspect but i cant remember it.

Tada, theory still valid!

Oh, by the way, my rising (11'36) is exactly on your north node.

What do you think?

posted July 12, 2009 07:46 PM            

MIA means Missing In Action.

posted July 12, 2009 07:46 PM            

The third sign, but should be in combination with one of the previous two is - Natal Sun in the 8th house.

posted July 12, 2009 07:57 PM            

Quindecile!

Found this for you, (myself mars quindecile venus) http://tribes.tribe.net/astrologynow/thread/2f8d28da-33ea-4f43-99d4-741fab3c1316

posted July 12, 2009 08:07 PM            

What a valuable read!!

A Quote from the article:

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My friend Al H. Morrison was the one who told me about it. In 1981, he wrote to me that he had been using the 165 degree aspect for many years, having been taught about from Johndro himself in the early 1950's. He wrote that 'It is in the affairs of the houses tenanted by the planets in this aspect that the native has this unending capability of carrying on, continuing, in total disregard of all practical reality. There is nothing like the nagging persistence of the 165 degree aspect, just never say die, never stop trying, never give up on negotiating the non-negotiable.' He termed it the Johndro aspect, for want of a better name, and some people today still call it that.

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It it the 10th house and and 3rd house involved in my chart, right? This is so eye-opening. It explains why in certain areas of my life, I just never give up!

I'm still reading the article but I felt like sharing this thought immediately...

posted July 12, 2009 08:07 PM            

There are others that have retrograde Saturn that grew up with fathers too.

Raymond

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“It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status.

In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.

“She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them think their opinions are right and everyone else’s is wrong,” Dr. Brown said. “It really is just perfect.”

posted July 12, 2009 08:08 PM            

I wonder if i would have prefered a tyranical father or a missing one. Could have had tyranical first, then missing later in life though

Anyway...

posted July 12, 2009 08:10 PM            

Noel Tyl calls the 165 the quindecile too.
Robert Blaschke calls it the contraquindecile.

Raymond

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“It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status.

In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.

“She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them think their opinions are right and everyone else’s is wrong,” Dr. Brown said. “It really is just perfect.”