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Topic: PoF/Valentine,NN /Valentine NN /IC synastry
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Alia
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From: az
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posted July 20, 2009 04:11 AM
 
the little info i ve found on pof says is a soulmate contact...do you have experience of this in a chart?
how does it play out? in my case i have PoF conj his valentine
and my valentine is conj his SN, his venus conj my NN and his NN conj my IC -all less than 2 deg orb- whatever i do i cant get him out of my mind/heart.
this is the strongest connection i ve ever had w a man in this life,,it just doesnt go away. IP: Logged |
Lucia23
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posted July 20, 2009 04:15 PM
You know Alia, that NN-Venus conjunction can just SUCK for the Venus person...I had this with someone and it was like my Node didn't have anywhere to put itself. (He had a natal Venus-Neptune conjunction, and my NN was also widely conjunct his Neptune.) I never had anything vaguely like that happen before.In that case it didn't feel karmic. But now I look at NN-Venus as a red flag in synastry for unrequited and/or unconsummated and/or just sort of impossible relationships that end but the Node person keeps obsessing. I see NN-Venus quite a bit in the synastries of rock stars and groupies, with the Node person being the groupie. What are your Neptune aspects in synastry like? I think it might require Neptune in the mix to suck like that. I have yet to come across a synastry with a tight-orb NN-Venus double whammy...I wonder how it might play out. IP: Logged |
DD
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posted July 20, 2009 04:19 PM
Well, I didnīt hear Antonio Banderas and Melanie Griffith complain about their Venus-NN-conjunction. 
Personally I think this is definitely NO Doom-aspect (cause there are no doom aspects).
Actually I think Venus conjunct NN is a beautiful aspect, but if Neptune is part of the package, it could get too rose-coloured (read: fall prey to illusions and dreams). IP: Logged |
Alia
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From: az
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posted July 20, 2009 04:33 PM
awww Lucia..
u know, he is a musician and i do love his creations. we composed amazing stuff together ,had a feel of prophecy and magic.
NEPTUNE thankfully is far.. his is in sag 15 mine in scorp 24 (conj his MC)DD thanks for yr positive comment on the aspect!! if you guys have a minute i attach my synastry chart so u can have a closer look  ) thanks!!! 
TABLE : http://www.astro.com/tmpd/cydzfileGkRBjw-u1186629477/astro_61at_01_02_i_c.74081.17367.pdf  IP: Logged |
Lara
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From: aspideronmars
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 20, 2009 04:35 PM
Gun man and i have PoF conjunct NN exact and PoF conjunct chiron in our synastry.I have venus/NN aspects especially conjunct with a few of my ex's... maybe thats why its such a nightmare!!!!  IP: Logged |
Lucia23
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posted July 20, 2009 04:38 PM
Oooh I love those Jupiter aspects! That can really add a sense of joy/expansiveness/living-in-the-moment quality to the relationship.I especially like that Jupiter/MC conjunction if you've creatively collaborated. IP: Logged |
Alia
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From: az
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posted July 20, 2009 04:43 PM
thanks Lucia
do u mean my jupiter conj his mars-saturn or rather his jupiter conj my venus?thinking of the NN/venus experience could be that the aspect is some sort of powerhouse which can be positive if colored by positive aspects/planets or nightmarish if tainted by malefics and hard aspects? IP: Logged |
Lucia23
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posted July 20, 2009 05:02 PM
I mean ALL the Jupiter conjunctions--the fact that they are balanced, with lots of Jupiter contacts for both, is very nice.I don't know re: NN/Venus. I personally would not emulate either Antonio Banderas or Melanie Griffiths' love life, though. (I'm very anti-cheating, even if it's only sleeping with other people's boyfriends or husbands rather than betraying one's own, and I like the idea of waiting a little between relationships...Griffiths is one of those people who seems not to have spent three hours alone since puberty...I think it's consistent with her long struggles with addiction. She had a f--ked up childhood as a celeb's daughter, was sexualized early, never got to really enjoy being a kid, and has probably spent much of her life afraid to really look at herself outside of the lens of others. I don't know her, though...although I know someone who does...just mostly what has been written in people's autobiographies, etc.) IP: Logged |
DD
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posted July 20, 2009 05:14 PM
I`m not going to defend Melanie or Antonio. Besides I am not a regular guest in their bedroom.  Anyway, I just don`t believe the Venus-NN-conjunction is necessarily bad, that`s all. I am p retty sure there are other things that contribute to it.
Also, I would always look at a pattern. here the Venus-NN is connected to Venus and Jupiter, looks good to me. A Venus-NN connected to Saturn or Uranus or even Neptune might be totally different.
So, yes, Alia, I think the NN-Venus is a very significant aspect, but you have to see what else is there.
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Alia
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From: az
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posted July 20, 2009 05:28 PM
thanks DD one thing that worries me is maybe my venus quincunx his pluto and my sun opp his pluto..much scarier than neptune.or not? IP: Logged |
Lucia23
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posted July 20, 2009 05:29 PM
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I`m not going to defend Melanie or Antonio. Besides I am not a regular guest in their bedroom.
, lol, sometimes it seems like you are. But yes, I agree that a) there are no doom aspects and b) charts are incredibly complex and have to be looked at holistically and c) different aspects/energies can certainly be worked with in different ways. Alia, in your case, with Valentine and Jupiter mutual aspects, maybe it is a very two-sided, mutually close, mutually inspiring relationship. I especially love conjunctions to the MC in synastry between creative people. BUT, since I've started looking at synastries, I've been stunned at how often that NN-Venus comes up in one-sided things...that doesn't mean it ALWAYS plays out like that any more than Pluto-Venus ALWAYS plays out as intense sexual attraction. But there's something to it, I think. IP: Logged |
Lucia23
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posted July 20, 2009 05:32 PM
Also, it's essential I think to look at the real relationship and see how the synastry seems to be reflecting it--where there are strong connections between the astrology and real life, you can use the astrology to constructively improve the relationship.Alia, I think those aspects are waaaayyy less scary than Neptune, but then I am Neptunephobic. I like anything Pluto-Venus--hott. Edited: Also, NN-IC might balance NN-Venus, making it more like a double whammy, and more two-sided/even. I don't know. IP: Logged |
Lara
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From: aspideronmars
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 20, 2009 05:34 PM
Oh i get it... so so one persons moon/venus/saturn/NN conjunct the other persons' venus/NN/sun/mercury would be a disaster? IP: Logged |
amowls*
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From: richmond va
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 20, 2009 05:37 PM
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But now I look at NN-Venus as a red flag in synastry for unrequited and/or unconsummated and/or just sort of impossible relationships that end but the Node person keeps obsessing.
Well the Venus person can obsess too. I was the Venus person in a Venus conjunct NN relationship, and I don't think the node person ever thinks about me :[ Then again his Mars was conjunct my SN too. I will say that the Venus/NN aspect wasn't the one I was particularly worried about. Unaspected Sun in the Composite is what I place most of the blame on, that and Venus conjunct Neptune in Composite (we had Venus square Neptune in synastry, but I was Neptune and he was Venus). IP: Logged |
Lucia23
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posted July 20, 2009 05:39 PM
I don't think so at all, Lara...I think if it's balanced between the two, it can just create a feeling of mutual intrigue/attachment.A's NN-B's Venus, B's NN-nothing of A's=icky one sided thing. Potentially. IP: Logged |
Alia
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From: az
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 20, 2009 05:40 PM
oh Lucia trust me i am neptunophobic too
...this big watery boy ,mr neptune, transiting my 7th took him away from me 2 years ago..now he s sort of trying--veeeery slooooowly,taurus style,-- to reconnect w me...tho the situation is not easy. we ll see what happens.. if the connection is that strong and fate wants us together... IP: Logged |
Lucia23
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posted July 21, 2009 02:14 PM
Well, I hope it works out! I personally think the the synastry looks special--a lot of layers to the relationship (creativity,friendship, shared adventure) in addition to attraction that would draw you together. IP: Logged |
Alia
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From: az
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posted July 22, 2009 12:39 AM
i hope so , thanks lucia..
i checked his syn w his gf and its real lame. i dont know her time of birth but everything else is milk and toast.. IP: Logged |
Lucia23
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posted July 22, 2009 12:23 PM
Girlfriend?!! Well, unless he's in an open relationship with her, he's not available, then.IP: Logged |
crabbypatty
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From: New York, NY
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 22, 2009 01:41 PM
Lucia... in your research... have you come to any conclusions about Moon conjunct another's NN? Is it another case of one sidedness...unrequited?IP: Logged |
Lucia23
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posted July 22, 2009 02:44 PM
Crabbypatty, please remember that almost all astrologers would see North Node conjunct Venus as a very romantic, binding, positive synastry aspect. It's only me who has a weird issue with it.In the synastries of friends, family, myself, and people I've done card readings for, NN-Sun and NN-Jupiter seem to be the very loveliest of aspects, especially if the rest of the synastry is balanced. I haven't come across NN-Moon in the synastries I've looked at, but NN-Moon I think would cause the Node person to feel deeply engaged with the Moon person in terms of issues of nurturing and emotional care. Cafe Astrology implies that in Node-PLanet connections, the planet person feels something, while Denise Minger at Red Rock Astrology (and a knowflake) has an article suggesting that only the Node person feels these connections. She also suggests that only conjunctions/oppositions, and to a much lesser extent, squares, to the Nodes can be felt...while at Cafe Astrology, they feel that all aspects to the Nodes can be felt by both the Node and the Planet person. Their description of NN-Venus is:
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This pairing is a strong indication of a binding tie between you. You are likely to find it easy to cooperate with one another, perhaps even combining your talents successfully. A major focus of this relationship is romantic love, and in all likelihood the feelings for one another were instant. There is a true feeling of enjoyment and pleasure with one another.
In my non-relationship with Pisces Moon Man with its NN-Venus, I felt this, and he didn't. IP: Logged |
Alia
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From: az
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 22, 2009 09:36 PM
well he is open to something,..they re not doing well together, he just told me today. though nothing of what he s dreaming will happen w me, unless he makes the decision he needs to make. til then, i can t really go farther than friendsIP: Logged |
Peri
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posted July 23, 2009 09:57 AM
Alia, you got mail.IP: Logged |
Alia
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From: az
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posted July 23, 2009 01:04 PM
awwwwwww Peri!!!
i just read it!!! i just sent mail back!thanks so much !!!
xox IP: Logged |
Lucia23
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posted July 23, 2009 01:35 PM
It says really rotten things about HIM that he would two time someone, though, unless he is being honest with her and they have a consensually open relationship.IP: Logged |
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