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Unmoved
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posted July 20, 2009 04:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unmoved     Edit/Delete Message
Your input please.

For a long time now I've been thinking of relocating to the best possible place for my career (arts). I am using this time to think about it properly since I don't have the means to move currently, anyway. I just simply want to take advantage of the fact that some places are more conducive to a successful and lucrative artistic career than others.

I am looking at 4 places; Los Angeles, London, New York and Paris.

This is what I want from a place where I'll settle:


  • A place where I will forced to be healthy and active in order to be healthier in mind body and spirit. (Virgo Asc)
  • A place where I can be inspired, creative and original. (5th house activity)
  • A place where I can make good money and be able to save it or invest it wisely. (Non-afflicted 2nd, 8th houses)
  • A place where I can be respected and where I can be influential in my work. (Non-afflicted 10th,1st,3rd,11th houses)
  • A place where I can feel at home, and a place where I can be safe and comfortable. (4th,3rd houses)

(cont...)

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Unmoved
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posted July 20, 2009 04:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unmoved     Edit/Delete Message
(...cont)

Here are the charts:

1. New York

2. Los Angeles

3. London

4. Paris

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From my observations, New York seems like a good bet, but the others have their advantages too.

New York:

I'm not pleased about the Cancer AC, because I'm not sure what makes Angelina adopt so many kids, but if it's her Cancer AC, then it is reason enough for me to be a little wary of it. But, maybe it has other benefits other than the maternal instinct.

I do appreciate that the Moon is in the 12th house which means that my feelings would be more hidden than usual, which I prefer.

I love that Venus is in 2nd which could work towards the ability to be fortunate in accumulating money and resources.

I also love Neptune in 5th as it will make me as inspired and as creative as I wish to be.

There are other placements which I am unsure of such as 4th house Jupiter and Saturn.

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nove731
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posted July 21, 2009 01:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for nove731     Edit/Delete Message
Unmoved, what nationality do you hold? South African?

I only ask this, because, astrology aside, if you are not an EEA national (or EU? I always get certain policies such as this confused between the two), it will be very difficult (if not impossible) for you to work in London or Paris. You'll need to have a work contract offered to you by an employer, and you'll need to apply for a work visa before you go (at least, you will in order to work in Paris. London, with the UK being outside of Schengen might be different as far as the visa process, itself goes). These can be very difficult to obtain, especially in EEA countries like France, where there's already a high unemployment rate. It's not unheard of for them to turn down employment visa applications if they believe that an EEA (EU?) national could possibly fill that position.

The arts are usually a little different, in that usually, you'll need a visa in order to work in the arts (just like in all other forms of "gainful employment"), but they're often easier to obtain (I'm not entirely sure of the reasoning, but I assume that it has something to do with personal aesthetics that perhaps an EEA [EU?] national may not be able to accomplish). However, it's my understanding that they also usually come in a more limited duration, tied to the length of a specific project, and can't generally be extended in order to look for or transfer to another project.

Unfortunately, as a US citizen (therefore, not needing a visa to work in the US), I'm not quite as knowledgeable about the whole visa rigamarole for the US.

Sorry that I couldn't be of any astrological help, but I wish you luck, anyway!

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AcousticGod
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posted July 21, 2009 01:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
Wow! Nove is back, or is it a new Nove. I see the Washington, DC. Old Nove was in Nashville.

Anyway...

I don't like the 12th house Sun places. That's just instinctive. Could be alright. I like Paris a bit better than London. Nope. I take that back. London puts Jupiter in the 2nd, so maybe you'll make some money. That would be nice.

New York:
Cancer Moon on the Cancer Ascendant I think will mean that you feel somewhat at home there. Sun in the 3rd, you're communicative, which is good for your writing. Full 4th with ruler of the 4th, Venus, in a friendly place in the 2nd. That seems good for linking your home with your art. Full 5th including Mars. The 5th is a creative house. I like that.

Los Angeles:
Moon in the 2nd, your emotional nature in the Taurus' house. I like that. I link Taurus with singing. Sun in the 4th, seems like you feel at home. 5th house stellium including Mercury, I think that is good for your art. Jupiter wants to bring luck to your health and work environment in the 6th.

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nove731
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posted July 21, 2009 01:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for nove731     Edit/Delete Message
One and the same, AG. I moved out to DC for school.

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posted July 21, 2009 02:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
Cool! Welcome back.

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Geocosmic* Valentine
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posted July 21, 2009 03:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geocosmic* Valentine     Edit/Delete Message
Well...I can't really comment on the charts right now 'cause it's so late, but I can tell you that me, Tiny, Tyrone, Jerome and Dupree would love to have you come live with us in Jamaica, Queens. We know some dudes that could sell you some beats real cheap, Cuz!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqz1ojIQTBk

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Unmoved
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posted July 21, 2009 07:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unmoved     Edit/Delete Message
Nove - I'm South African and the visa situation is slightly different for artists, in the US too. All these countries are like the most difficult to relocate to.

Yes, I would have to be invited to the countries I want to live in, and I wouldn't mind to visit for a 5 year stint as I apply for other permanent means of being there while living there. It would have to be an employer of sorts that invites me over. I already have a UK working visa, I got one and didn't use it though due to some things that came up, but I was not going there in the same capacity which I will be going now, so I assume that I will need to re-apply.

AG - I felt the same way about the Sun & Venus in 12th. It pretty much made me not like the places with that placement, even though I would have loved the Virgo AC.
It seems like New York is the winner.

Geocosmic Valentine - you crack me up! Beats for cheap are always welcomed. The thing is, I write all my pieces but after the debut set of work, I think I can buy other people's music. On the debut set though, I want it to be all me. So, Tiny and Tyrone and the crew are too famous for my liking.

Like Nas said, "My first album had no 'famous' guest appearances..." So, I've adopted a similar attitude. It might be a mistake, but I am sticking to it for now.

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aka Kat
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posted July 21, 2009 07:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aka Kat     Edit/Delete Message
I think your answer depends on what you want out of life. Recognition, a highly productive life, support??? I am in the visual arts and astrologically I live in the worst place according to the map on astro.com. (and I feel it) Still I create art/design. Today you have access to the internet and could still create art and design work wherever you live. Instead think about stuff like climate, landscape, city, rural, cost-of-living, social interaction, health care etc. Large cities are no longer the only places you can be successful. If you're young and looking for adventure then by all means go for it, but know that your success will depend on the quality of work you do and how well you interact with others on a business level. (I know you don't want to hear that.) Try looking on the travel map on astro.com

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Unmoved
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posted July 21, 2009 07:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unmoved     Edit/Delete Message
aka Kat - I appreciate what you said, and it is very true. Product quality is my first concern, true. What I want out of life are those things in the bullets on the first post. I ideally, I would like to be at the hub of creative energy, where I can also meet people who would open my mind a bit.

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posted July 21, 2009 09:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for songwriter     Edit/Delete Message
I think New York is also favorable for its number vibration is compatible with your birth day number which is 13/4.

"4 in Numerology is always associated with the number 1, and in nearly all systems is written as 4 hyphen 1, or 1 hyphen 4, and as the 1 is a strong and powerful number, I advice the number 4 persons to use the strong number as much as possible and select all dates such as the 1st, 10th, 19th and 28th for their most important efforts, and to endeavour to live in houses whose number or the addition of whose number makes a number 1." - Cheiro

New York
5+5+6+1+7+2+2 = 28/1

New York City
5+5+6+1+7+2+2+3+1+4+1 = 37/1

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Got Gemini?
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posted July 21, 2009 09:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Got Gemini?     Edit/Delete Message
YOU ALREADY KNOW MY ANSWER

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Virgo Asc 6˚& Mars 0˚
Gemini Sun 24˚
Libra Moon 14˚(conjunct Pluto 0˚ in 2nd house)
Gemini Mercury 25˚
Cancer Venus 29˚ (Mutual reception with Moon)
And yes, i'm a guy!

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DepTaurus
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posted July 21, 2009 09:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DepTaurus     Edit/Delete Message
you should go to london and go help out lara with her kids lol i can just see lara jumping up and down for joy. but all four cities are great never been to any but i would move to london cause i love the brits i love accents and they love to drink and have fun. plus not so hott and its not so cold it perfect sure it rains but hey deal with it right.its not like seattle wow.

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Unmoved
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posted July 21, 2009 10:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unmoved     Edit/Delete Message
songwriter - you've just reminded me that I hadn't considered other things like numerology and lexigrams. Excellent, songwriter!

Yes, 1 and 4 are a good pair. New York seems to be The One.

GG - Yep! I know, NYC!!

DepTaurus - I'd wouldn't mind baby sitting when she goes out. Speaking of Brits, I like it there because it is very familiar to me as I'm from a British Colony, i.e. South Africa, so I even speak in an English accent. Ask GG. He loves the way I speak.

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Peri
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posted July 21, 2009 10:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message
I love English accent too *drools*

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aka Kat
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posted July 21, 2009 05:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aka Kat     Edit/Delete Message
let me offer a few places which you did not consider which would be good for you.

New Zealand
Australia
Ireland
Lisbon

I think if I was to chose from your list - Paris

If you move to NY you need to be open to living in Brooklyn with a group of people unless you have a good savings.

LA you will need a car and the public transportation is poor.

Paris may have higher tax rates for non-citizens, I'm not sure about London but a recall someone having some issues with being American. I can't remember because it was many many years ago.

San Fransisco is nice so is Chicago!

What type of art/design do you do?

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Unmoved
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posted July 21, 2009 06:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unmoved     Edit/Delete Message
Interesting aka Kat. I've never even thought of the places you suggested. Excellent and Thank you.

I just enjoy being shown something I had not considered.

I assume you're suggesting these places astrologically? I'll look at the charts when I get onto my laptop as I'm on my mobile now.

To answer your question, I'm a singer/song-writer.

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Shankara
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posted July 22, 2009 12:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Shankara     Edit/Delete Message
I don't know how expensive it is where you live now, but if you want to save money than I don't know if any of these cities would be a good choice, because they are all extremely expensive. Los Angeles is probably the cheapest I would guess. It also has the best weather, and if you want to produce music I would think that would be the place to be. If you are looking mostly to play small venues you could probably do that in any of these cities.

Also, Austin, Texas might be good, as it is the "live music capital of the world" and is less expensive than any of the cities on your list. L.A. gets a bad reputation sometimes but I like it. I don't love it, but I like it. I wouldn't mind living there, but if I could choose I'd pick a small town in the mountains or tropics. I lived in Sedona, AZ for a while. It had all of 10,000 people, it was up against stunning red rock formations, and the whole town was focused on spirituality. I loved it!

I haven't been to all of these cities so I can't say, but I think the others are denser and more urban whereas L.A. is more residential/suburban. And if you're into nature it's nice because you're close to the ocean, the mountains, and the desert. I think it would be easier to live a healthier life style because of the outdoor activities and the warmer weather.

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posted July 22, 2009 02:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeaceAngel     Edit/Delete Message
Unmoved

Even before opening the thread my immediate thought was USA. Then reading your chosen options, between LA and NYC, LA, for some reason.

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posted July 22, 2009 12:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unmoved     Edit/Delete Message
Shankara - Thanks for your input. I have heard of texas being great for live music, but it is more Rock orientated, is it not? I can write rock songs but I perform more of a R&B flavor so I wonder about the market. I don't know much about it's inclination as far as genres are concerned. I'll look into it. Thanks a mil.

PA - Hmmm... I trust your gut instinct so... I'll juggle with the LA thing, but from people who I know that live there, they say it's very difficult as an up and coming artist and seems to be more for the established artist... this referring to living conditons, rent prices etc. BUT... if I get to live there under some business contract, then things would be much better.

I'm not averse to toughing it out so, whatever it takes, right.

aka Kat - I just got onto the computer and I'm busy cooking right now so I will respond in a few about the places you suggested.

Later, for now.

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posted July 22, 2009 12:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Shankara     Edit/Delete Message
Yes, Austin is probably more rock or country or maybe even folk, though I'm not sure as I've never been there. I guess when you said singer-songwriter I was picturing Joni Mitchell! I'd agree that L.A. would probably be best; I think there is more music production there than in NYC, though both would have opportunities for you to perform live.

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posted July 22, 2009 01:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unmoved     Edit/Delete Message
I'm posting aka Kat's options' charts before I respond (for those who'd like to see the charts.

5. Lisbon

6. New Zealand

7. Australia

8. Ireland

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posted July 22, 2009 02:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lyra     Edit/Delete Message
My immediate thought was LA BUT from a point of view of getting more influences into the mix I would say NY or LDN. Although, you can feel a bit like a needle in a haystack at times (in LDN this is def the case) but I guess anything's poss if you put your mind to it.
Also depends on where you live, some parts are nice, some not so (part of Greater London where I live is nice, semi-rural + v. easy access to Central LDN). I find I am able to live there relatively inexpensively for the time being (since my needs are not excessive). The record producer I've worked with is a Saffa so, could be a useful contact? Let me know...

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Unmoved
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posted July 22, 2009 02:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unmoved     Edit/Delete Message
Lisbon, Portugal:

I absolutely adore the Virgo AC that's conjunct Sun in the first House. Love it. Since my natal has a densely tenanted 1st house, I like that Lisbon is strong in first.

The 2nd house has a powerful stellium which includes Saturn (Malefic) which I'm not happy about having in 2nd, a similar issue I had with London. With that said, Jupiter is in the 2nd too and I wonder if it softens Saturn to make him more of a "discipline with funds" influence rather than a "restriction of funds" influence.

3rd house Mars is excellent and I can't decide whether the 11th House Moon is an easy or challenging aspect. Also, the Venus in 12th as far as private love life is great, but hidden resources/beauty that's in my subconscious could mean wasted opportunities for me. I might be wrong.

I see Lisbon as a place I go to retreat from work, a place where I go to rejuvenate, and use my imagination to things domestic(Neptune in 4th).

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Dublin, Ireland

Sun and Venus in 12th aren't my favorites. It has a similar 2nd house to Lisbon. But, what I do like is the 10th House sun.

Very similar to Lisbon.

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Melbourne, Australia

An empty 12th would be excellent to have, and it's one of the things I am looking out for, so it's great!

5th House Moon is DIAMOND!! I absolutely love this.

Mars conjunct MC is great but Neptune being there makes me think of being disillusioned in my career. That Jupiter in 9th would have been great closer to the MC but the fact that's in 9th, in its natural home says great things.

7th House Sun and Venus just tell me that I'll probably get married there. This not my priority, but it might be a good thing to relocate there once I am married. ??

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Wellington, NZ

I like the 8th and 6th houses in this chart, because my natal AC lands in the 8th as well. Other than that I can't see much that stands out for my career.

aka Kat... what were your reasons for choosing these charts?


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Geocosmic* Valentine
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posted July 22, 2009 02:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geocosmic* Valentine     Edit/Delete Message
I agree with PeaceAngel, at your level in your career you must be in either LA or NY with 3 other options of London, Atlanta or Nashville.

Do not poo-poo Nashville because it's been known as a country music capital. Things have really changed in Nashville and it's now considered to be the "Songwriting Capital" of the U.S.

New York is still big but unless you already have iron clad strong connection in the city, the music club scene here is quite crushed. For musical theatre, it's the best place to be.

Atlanta is more like the way LA is and it's more innovative. Think of John Mayer, he didn't really skyrocket until he moved to Atlanta. It's not just for R&B anymore.

One last contender to think about - Miami.

But for you I think it's more about LA, NY or Atlanta.

EDIT

I just looked at the chart for Paris, this is where you'll make lots of money with Pluto and Jupiter in the 2nd house of personal finances. Mo' money, mo' money, mo' money!!

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