posted July 23, 2009 01:42 PM         

And why all the emphasis on Soul Connections with celebrities? It's one thing if you know a person, are intimate with him/her, and they (or you, or both) happen to be famous, but if it's a stranger, fixating on whether you have a Soul Connection with that person (as opposed to the billions of other people with whom we share the earth) seems like groupie behavior to me--creating a fantasy "connection" because of the person's image in the public eye.

I don't understand.

posted July 23, 2009 02:35 PM         

you explained very well i think

Lucia

on my personal experience this is why:

first the ones who are deeply interested in Soul Families are,probably persons who believe and accept Reincarnation as a reality.

Therephore,we intimately know/feel when someone might be part of our Soul Family.for those who are sensitive enought ofr it,we actually know it before looking into astrology.

it is one of those things you cannot really explain.and why do we center our attention onto a celebrity for instance?

cause...that person is only a Soul.Like Us.When you experience life through this Soul Level,you dont want to know if A IS a celebrity,or is someone far away and distant.

Cause you never know if that A person can meet with you or not.maybe yes,maybe not.but who cares? A is part of our soul family.maybe at times even more that our actual family where we reincarnated.

i red a book called conversations with god - im on book 2 - that is a great way to know fully what im talking about.

Soul family is something we all have.we all meet some of our intimate and close soul mates.it is only natural to want to digg in astrology to know more.

my bf is one of mine.my twin sister too.probably a friend of mine too.

posted July 23, 2009 02:50 PM         

But well, whether it truly exists or not, the reason that I've been researching about my soul group's astrological evidences is coz we do share special relationships with each other in the real life, so I want to find astrological evidences that really seems to evidence how our souls are really somehow connected. ^_~;

posted July 23, 2009 02:59 PM         

have you ever talked with DD about this?Even not knowing someone in person,that doenst mean that he/she isnt of our soul family.

if you for instance keep having lucid and vivid "dreams"with the person,if coincidences happen more than you can imagine...what would you think?in some other reincarnation the one who is now a celebrity,was a mere "Mortal"

i believe that Universe always takes care of things when we are not looking into the right direction.

the same happens when you are intune with your Higher Self:you actually can know more through your inner senses,nad intuiton,if you are trying to know these things.

posted July 23, 2009 03:08 PM         

Lucia,

I understand your point.

But for me the thought of soulfamily / group or reincarnation can help to explain seemingly irrational emotional reactions to a certain someone (and not only the positive ones!).

I agree with Diandra, celebrities are just souls like us. In a way finding those connections with them, too, gets them down the pedestal so to speak.

I agree with you on the fantasy thing, if you really expect to meet a celebrity and both of you fall in love happily ever after.

Even though that might be the case in very very rare occasions, I think that`s not what it`s about.

posted July 23, 2009 03:52 PM         

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if you for instance keep having lucid and vivid "dreams"with the person,if coincidences happen more than you can imagine...what would you think?

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If it was a celebrity I didn't know, I would think that that person's public image--how it was packaged and presented--tapped into a symbolic meaning in my unconscious, and was serving as a metaphor in my dreams.

I don't think fantasizing that a famous person who is a real-life stranger to you is part of your "soul family" is any less groupie behavior than fantasizing that you will fall in love and get married. I mean, the celebrity you don't know personally isn't having a series of dreams about YOU (unless you are also in the public eye enough that you are both fantasizing about each other's images)...because they've never encountered you OR your image.

I guess I am sensitive about the celebrity thing because some of my friends are well-known, and some of their fans are creepy!! (Makes me glad I am not an actor/rocker--as a writer, even if I ever got famous, unless I were Stephen King not THAT many people would recognize me on the streets.)

They project a "deep connection" onto the celebrity's image, usually because their real lives feel empty and they lack real thrills and intimacy. There is something vampirical about these attachments....The fans who want sex or romance with the celebrity are LESS scary than the ones who think they have a soul connection with the celebrity. Wanting sex and romance with a really hot person from seeing their image or their art isn't too different than seeing a beautiful person across the room at a gallery opening...whereas fantasizing some deep connection between you with a stranger often involves more delusion, I think, and often really comes from a place of lack...lack of love of one's own beauty and power, maybe. I'm not sure. I have been fascinated with groupies for a while now.

Sure, celebrities are people, but if you don't know them, you only know their public image/your fantasy or projection. Finding some deep thing linking them to you--using astrology or the idea of the soul or whatever to rationalize it--seems like groupie fixation behavior to me, a red flag in terms of mental and emotional health.

posted July 23, 2009 04:10 PM         

I feel that she made some very good points.

There are no celebrities that I am interested looking at synastry. Winona Ryder and I were born on the same day, and so all our planets,asteroids conjunct.

I have never felt drawn,connected to her any type of way. I wasn't particularly interested in movies just because she was in them.

When I was a teenager, I had my own celebrity crush on Alyssa Milano...ever since first seeing her on Who's the Boss.
Interestingly, she was born on the same day as one of my old school friends who is a guy. There was definitely no sexual attraction between me and him.
I have watched Charmed,and I wasn't really attracted to her. I guess I outgrew my attraction to her.

I can't say that I have any celebrity crushes of fantasies in my 20's and my present 30's. I did think Christina Applegate was hot,and I poster of her on my wall. I also thought Jennie Garth on Beverly Hills 90210 hot.

I am a believer in reincarnation, and do I believe in soul families.

Raymond

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“It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status.

In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.

“She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them think their opinions are right and everyone else’s is wrong,” Dr. Brown said. “It really is just perfect.”

posted July 23, 2009 05:38 PM         

Hmm, I once was thinking along the same lines, yet, even someone who becomes a good friend of mine, maybe even a lover, someone I deeply care about and who is part of my soulfamily, once has been a "real-life stranger to me".

I believe, there are many members to a soulgroup, some of which I will never meet. Does that mean they are not soulmates, just because i do not meet them?
Does that mean a soulmate is being "created" only by a deeper entanglement on a day to day level?

Well, that is one way to see it, sure. It means that soulmate don`t exist "a priori", but that people become soulmates only in a close relationship and stop being soulmates, once the relationship is ended.
I know that many people will see it that way.

posted July 23, 2009 07:23 PM         

Basically, if you look at your own body, you will see how the soul behaves.

Just like the body, which has hands, feet, a head, a heart, ears, bones, cartilage, blood and water and mucus, things that are obviously different due to the structure of the atoms forming it, when one looks beyond the whole and looks at it on a molecular level, there comes a point where everything is the same, the difference being how these building blocks of life are arranged. And although the purpose of the ears is different from the purpose of the heart, each serve the organism that they are part of equally yet differently.

So, if the ONE soul is the body, the different soul families and soul groups would be similar to ears and heart, serving the one SOUL by performing different tasks to serve a different purpose. And, like the ears and heart, these two different entities work with different tools, even though some tools are shared. For example, the heart deals with the blood and they work closely with the blood to serve the body to perform as "designed". The ears also have their tools, i.e. sound waves, which they work closely with, converting these sound waves into Morse code for the brain so that the brain sends certain impulses to the heart as well. It is all a cycle, but some components have partnerships with some components in order to fulifill a certain purpose.

The human soul behaves in a similar fashion, with some souls forming attraction to others to fulfill a certain purpose that serves the ONE soul inevitably. One group of humans is a door, and the other group serving as a key, the yin and the yang... but is far more complex because although group A is the "yang" and group B is the "yin", within group A there are yin and yangs, and between Group A's Yang there are yin and yangs and all this goes on forever, going on both positive and negative infinity.

So, Group A has an affinity with its own group as well as its complement Group B. But, wait... Group A + Group B form a group called Group C, which is also complementary to another group similarly structured called Group D, is . So, we find someone on Group A being drawn to group D's sub-groups, even though their purposes and lives, on a suerficial level, seem different.

So, just because I can can see it, and feel it, doesn't mean it's true. So, you could be right Lucia23, but so could every one.

So, affinity with strangers is not always obsession, or being empty. Someone can fulfill their purpose to transform another's life, comfort another or please another without knowing them.

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They project a "deep connection" onto the celebrity's image, usually because their real lives feel empty and they lack real thrills and intimacy. There is something vampirical about these attachments....The fans who want sex or romance with the celebrity are LESS scary than the ones who think they have a soul connection with the celebrity. Wanting sex and romance with a really hot person from seeing their image or their art isn't too different than seeing a beautiful person across the room at a gallery opening...whereas fantasizing some deep connection between you with a stranger often involves more delusion, I think, and often really comes from a place of lack...lack of love of one's own beauty and power, maybe. I'm not sure. I have been fascinated with groupies for a while now.

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This sounds judgemental, but maybe I am not reading you correctly. There is a difference between a healthy desire spurred by possible pleasure, and filling a void in one's life.

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I mean, the celebrity you don't know personally isn't having a series of dreams about YOU (unless you are also in the public eye enough that you are both fantasizing about each other's images)...because they've never encountered you OR your image.

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I have had dreams where I didn't personally know everyone I was with. I'm sure celebrities have had such dreams too.

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Sure, celebrities are people, but if you don't know them, you only know their public image/your fantasy or projection. Finding some deep thing linking them to you--using astrology or the idea of the soul or whatever to rationalize it--seems like groupie fixation behavior to me, a red flag in terms of mental and emotional health.

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Again, this sounds like a jab to those who post things about celebrities on this site. Again, judgemental sounding. I'm not familiar with your tone Lucia23, so I could be wrong, but say it is groupie fixation. Are you saying that there is more honour in not celebrating a celebrity, that it is a health problem to use a public figure for analysis or even for fun? There is no shame, nor mental health issues in liking a person, using a person as a muse for one's work, study or frivolity. The rationalization is part of a study, taking theories and seeing if they fit practically.

But, you are allowed your own opinion, and so are those who rationalize things in the manner you criticize.

posted July 23, 2009 07:28 PM         

BUT, many people interested in Soul Families seem to be waaaaayyyyyy more interested in whether they share a soul family with a famous movie star than in finding other soul family members who are strangers to them. Unless there are only, like, 3 Soul Families total, the chances that famous historical figures and contemporary celebrities are part of yours is statistically low compared to how often people on astrology forums find this--there are 6+ billion people alive on the planet today, and way, way less than 1 million people who could be called celebrities.

People interested in soul familes often seem to have an inordinate obsession with finding out whether the same entertainment-world celebrities who attract psycho-obsessive fans are in their soul family...I so much less frequently (read: never) see them trying to learn whether relatively unknown but accomplished astronomers, say, are part of their soul families. I rarely see posts from people looking for soul family members...mostly, it's lists of obscure asteroid conjunctions with the same (mostly male) screen idol movie stars whose images crazed groupies masturbate to, posted by (mostly female) people.

I guess it is something you would know internally, and could ask yourself honestly--am I truly interested in deepening my understanding of the soul connection of all beings, or am I mostly trying to feel connected to an attractive celebrity I have a groupielike fixation on?

My skepticism is also increased by noting the type of historical figures and current celebrities whose names come up in these discussions. Everyone seems to very much want to be connected to figures whose names would come up in 5th grade history--I never see someone discussing an obscure historical figure whose life is not well-documented, but whose work has uniquely touched someone's life.

But, like I said, I do believe we are each uniquely connected to each other being at the soul level, not just some of them. It's just, if we WERE more connected to people in particular families, they wouldn't MOSTLY be the best known (and most misunderstood) historical figures (Cleopatra, etc) or the most famous movie stars--they would mostly be human beings who we might never hear about...

EDITED because I didn't see your post before I posted, Unmoved.

I see enjoying a stranger's work, or even working with their public image as a metaphor, as very different than trying to fantasize a deep, special, personal connection between oneself and a famous stranger. I DO see groupie behaviors and fixation on a stranger you have no real relationship with as a red flag for mental and emotional health.

posted July 24, 2009 05:39 AM         

I agree with Unmoved, some of what you said can be read as judgemental and hurtful.

Yet I also see the truth in it. I think there DEFINITELY are people, who USE their synastry with celebrities to somehow make themselves feel better about themselves, who fantasize and show a lot of groupie behaviour.

On the other hand projection is part of every human relation, just in the case of existing relationship it is a mutual process, as both persons "project"; but this is nothing unique to celebrities, even though it may be more noticeable then.

So, on this I sort of agree. But I think therea re different people, with different reasons and different motives.

You say noone feels that soulconnection to somewhat unknown "celebrities"; well they can`t be that unknown if we know about them.

In my case, what it all started for me, was this "celebrity" P, who is characterised by the fact that almost noone knows him. lol
Sure he is in the entertainment industry, but he is not a celebrity. I usually call him celebrity to make clear that I do not have a One-to-one connection with him.

Yet from the first time I felt some familiartiy to him; just like you sometimes feels with strangers you pass on the street. Your eyes meet and you just know this one, even though a complete stranger to you, feels familiar, or there is chemistry of some sort.
Yet you don´t feel that for everyone you meet. Which reminds me of the waiter I encountered last week; he felt very familiar, too. Usually I am not asking unknown people for their birthdates, though. Which is another reason some people like to analyse their synastry with celebrities. Their birthdata often is known.

Anyway in the case of P there was this familiarity I felt just upon seeing a picture of him and hearing his voice.
The thing was that he had disappeared from the face of the earth and there was NOTHING known about him.

I didn`t know ANYTHING about him, and I certainly did not imagine his character to be like this or that. I just stated this strange fact for me that a complete stranger felt as familiar to me as my blood relatives do. That was a very weird thing

Anyway of course I was convinced that this was just a "shot of the moment", as he was "gone" so to speak.

Yet, I have had premonitions and dreams, and I had NOTHING to base those dreams on, nothing that could have triggered those premontions / thoughts, as he is not really a famous person and there is not much written about him.

Yet I seem to run into him pretty often, and not only in situations connected to his job.
Best example was some weeks ago, when I ran into him at a rock concert, totally different genre.
It was an absolute coincidence. As there have been many over many years.

I am just sitting back so to speak and observing, if such things happen.
It`s nothing big, even though that instant spark of familiarity I felt triggered my whole spiritual and astrological development. And that without me knowing his birthdate for many years.

So, to summarize, what I feel about him is simply a certain familiarity; probably we have met in a previous life, too.
But you know, previous life is past, this life is now, and it is different. And he has his life, and I have mine.

So maybe he is one of those who are "dormant" members of my soulgroup, and his purpose for my life was waking me up to spirituality in some way.

But regarding projection: what do I project onto him?
I don`t know enough about him to project something, even though I ams ure I do, as projection is always a part of even a one sided connection.

But all I really know is that he seems to be a friendly and kind man, from the time we had a chat.
Of course I know that this is p art of his public persona and not his private persona.
Maybe he shouts at his family regularly. lol

But even though I do not know him on a personal level, he still feels familiar, which is something that for me has more to do with the aura / energy of someone than knowing someone personally.

posted July 24, 2009 07:49 AM         

Many years ago (in 1991 or 1992) I was in a meditation, when I suddenly was "experiencing" another life. Like a memory, just that I was "there".
Anyway when I woke up, I was a bit confused and thought: what was THAT?
But I thought it was just some sort of very vivid dream.

In that "dream" I had been a young (and later older) woman, called Susan or Susanna or something like that, and my husband was a seargent. Both of us stemmed from England, but our families had settled in America, where we met.
In another part of that scene I was preparing beans for dinner, with my son Sean, who was maybe 11 or 12 years at that time, with me, who was constantly asking me to visit his Daddy.
So I took his hand and we walked a bit to a hill, and with every step my heart would start aching more and more, even though I didn`t know why, until we stood before the grave of my husband, and there I read his name Robert Lockwood and waking up I knew that he had been living from 1600 - 1658.

So even though I thought this was a weird dream, I took some notes, so that I would remember, for some reason.

Anyway in 2001 I got internet access and in 2005 I suddenly remembered that dream and I - just for fun- googled the name: Robert Lockwood.

Imagine my shock, when there was actually a family tree with his name!
A Robert Lockwood, a seargent, who had come from England to America, married to a certain Susannah Norman, and who lived from 1600 to 1658.
Robert and Susannah didn´t have a son called Sean, but they had a son with the name of John, who was about 12 years old at the time Robert Died.

I really haven?t heard anything about a Robert LOckwood before the dream. And the family tree is only on the net, cause someone did some research on his family history.

So since Robert`s birthdate was mentioned, I did actually a synastry with him (I would have loved to know Susannah`s birthdate, too).

His Sun conjuncts my Sun-Moon-mp
his Venus opposes my Karma
his Saturn connjuncts my Union
his Pluto conjunct my chiron
his Pluto opposes my DNA
his Juno opposes my Pluto
his Amor opposes my Pluto

his DNA conjuncts my SN exact on 10 Gemini

his Angel opposes my Chiron
his Angel conjuncts my DNA exact on 20 Libra

his Alma opposes my Spirit exactly
his Valnetin conjuncts my jupiter exact on 11 Pisces

Draco

his Dr Jupiter ocnjunct my DNA
his dr Saturn conjunct my Sun
his DR Juno conjunct my SN
his dr Karma conjunct my Spirit

his DR DNA conjunct my dr Chiron
his DR DNA opposite my DR DNA

his dr Spirit opposite my Karma
his Dr Alma oposite my Jupiter
his DR Anor conjunct my SN on 10 Gemini
his Dr Anubis conjunct my Karma

his Saturn opposite my Dr Venus
his NN DNA conjunct my dr Moon
his Spirit opposite my Dr Sun
his Anubis conjunct my Dr Sun

and only the Saturniac positions IQ mentioned with True Noe and Moon and Saturn:

my Sat Moon conjunct his Saturn

my Sat SN conjunct his DR Union

my NN conjunct his SAt Alma

his Sat True Node conjunct my Dr Jupiter
his Sat SN conjunct my Sat Chiron

Btw his tropical True Node is on 00 Aquarius.
I guess it is no surprise that I was looking at that just now.

BTW the Sabian of 10 Gemini, which seems to stand out in that synastry is:

" Newly Opened Lands Offer The Pioneer New Opportunities For Experience"

posted July 24, 2009 08:44 AM         

you will never convince those who think it`s just fantasy and dangerous and sign of mental health problems.

I must agree that sometimes the lines between fantasy and spiritual get blurry.
Only you can know the truth, and sadly there is no way, that others could really see things through your eyes or feel what you feel inside.

If he feels like a soulbrother to you, then it is so.
It doesn`t mean that you start stalking him.

And astrology is a fascinating tool.

For example: just when I looked at that chart of Robert Lockwood i noticed that some of his tropical / Draco positions seem to mirror J`s (not Johnny, the other J) Draco positions.

R`s tropical Sun and MOon are in Capricorn-
J`s tropical Sun and Draco Moon are in Capricorn

R`s Draco Sun and Moon are in Pisces-
J`s Draco Sun is in Pisces

R`s DNA is in Gemini- J`s Draco DNA is in Gemini

R`s Venus is in Sagittarius - J`s Venus is in Sagittarius

R`s DRaco Venus is in Aquarius - J`s Draco Venus is in Aquarius

R`s Mars is in Leo - J`s Draco Mars is in Aquarius

R`s Pluto is in Aries - Js Pluto is in Libra

R`s DRaco Pluto is in Gemini - J´s Draco Pluto is in Sagittarius

and so on.

I am not judging this or interpreting it, I am just observing.
But I thought it is interesting.

Almost like J`s DRaco positions reflect Robert`s tropical ones.