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Glaucus
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posted August 01, 2009 11:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
Transiting Orcus just now entered Virgo


It is a large transneptunian, the largest plutino (2:3 orbital resonance with Neptune). It is also a dwarf planet candidate,and so it will likely join the ranks of Pluto,Eris,Makemake,Haumea,and Ceres
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/90482_Orcus http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orcus_(mythology)

The following is from Philip Sedgwick's THE SOUL OF THE SKY


Orbital Period: 248.01 y
Distance at Perihelion (AU): 30.872 Perihelion: 11'52 Libra
Distance at Aphelion (AU): 48.075 Node: 28'32 Sagittarius
Size (km): ~ 900 Date of Discovery: 02/17/2004
Semi-Major Axis: 39.474 AU Eccentricity: 0.218
Inclination: 20.6


The mythological stories of Orcus range in the underworld as do those of Hades and Pluto. While some sources contend that Orcus (meaning “killer”) stands as a separate Roman deity roughly the equivalent of the Greek Hades, other sources treat Orcus and Hades somewhat synonymously.

Given that Hades refers to other astronomical/astrological objects, distinction between the
objects and treating them each uniquely seems like a good approach.
Orcus carries an ambiguity in his nature. He is either a terrible god or a gentle one; that depends.

He held dominion over death and the underworld, but most significantly, he was the god of oaths. It is said Orcus could hear the spoken words of oaths. He punished those who broke their word and those who committed perjury.

In pre-Aquarian Age astrology, Jupiter “ruled” both the signs of Pisces and Sagittarius. A Jupiter theme will overlay to the essence of Orcus due to his North Node residing in Sagittarius (on the Galactic Center) and his perihelion falling in Pisces. Critically, the Jupiter theme of “do as I say, not as I do,” damns those making such proclamations to the less benevolent side of Orcus.

The Node to the Galactic Center offers a paramount look at where Orcus takes on his crankier side. The Galactic Center gracefully and naturally affords the latest and greatest cosmic insights to those willing to listen. After listening, the insights commonly take the form of an instruction,innovation or inspiration offered to humanity. Imagine the wrath of Orcus toward one who creates a cancer vaccine and fails to take it; or one who develops an impeccable spiritual discipline delivered to followers who never applies the principles personally. Early indications of Orcus warn against hypocrisy, false promises and utterances that one consciously (and perhaps subconsciously) knows cannot be upheld. Surely, punishment follows. Is it banishment to hell? That depends.

The punitive element of Orcus shows in the perihelion in Pisces. Perhaps the suffering of Orcus’s punishment manifests in psychic elements. Should one of some consciousness fail to uphold an oath, the self-flagellation and self-imposed psychic torture might do the trick in appeasing Orcus.

Then again, maybe not. Perhaps it will be necessary in the mind of Orcus to make a sacrificial example of the violator.

Consider the instance of Sgt. Charles Jenkins, US Army. When one enters U.S. military service a rather stringent oath declaring unending faithfulness to the United States (a definite Sagittarian
feeling) and sacrificial service (notably Pisces) to her must be repeated out loud - just the kind of thing that might catch the watchful ear of Orcus. At approximately 2:30 A.M. on January 5, 1965, Jenkins disappeared in the DMZ of Korea while checking out a noise during a night patrol. Ultimately, he ended up in the hands of North Korean authorities, became a pawn in the propaganda war, and was released thirty-nine years later only to face court martial and imprisonment. Allegedly, the Army’s sentence of thirty days was a hand slap. Jenkins contends he was captured. The U.S. Army determined he deserted, punishing him for breaking his oath. Online information argues back and forth about the veracity of the situation.

When Jenkins disappeared, Orcus aligned with the Sun of the horoscope of the United States at 13 Cancer 28, retrograde. Though released from North Korea to Japan in September 2002, he drew considerable attention from US authorities between May and September of 2004. During these months, Saturn crossed over the position of Orcus at the time of his disappearance.
He turned himself into US Army system on September 11th, where he received his punitive award.

While the details of this strange story continue to unfold, the point is that one punished for breaking an oath was released from prison for that transgression within a day of the posting of the name Orcus on the Internet by the astronomical naming commission. Ironical or synchronicity?

Personally, one can expect when Orcus transits or when natal Orcus takes transiting influences that accountability for one’s word will be the dominant stimulus. Others will challenge personal declarations, promises made and even doctrines to which one previously declared allegiance. Still, working with the influences, one can create creeds that change one’s life for the better. The declared intention to reform flawed ways and to adopt an inspired, progressively minded life style appeases Orcus. Remember though, Orcus insists upon perfect adherence to one’s proclamations in life. That’s the absolute word.


Positive: a person of one’s word, challenges broken promises, aligned with a spiritual creed, accountable for personal thought, word and deed

Negative: hypocritical, fault finding in the ways of others, blame assigning, ducks responsibility for word and actions, unable to keep promises

Mundane: contracts, oaths to organizations, religions or countries, creeds

Ceremonial: declaring faith, writing creeds, channeling the latest cosmic downloads and
formatting it into doctrine

in my own chart:

Orcus in 22'28 Cancer in 11th
trine Venus in 21'47 Scorpio in 11th
sesquiquadrate Jupiter - '48
parallel Pluto - '47
contraparallel Sun - '01


transiting Orcus
is squaring my 7th house ruler Neptune in 1'48 Sagittarius in 3rd


Any ways...anybody with planets,asteroids conjunct the Galactic Center, also have them conjunct the heliocentric North Orcus Node. Therefore the themes of Orcus are prominent.

Raymond

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“It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status.

In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.

“She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them think their opinions are right and everyone else’s is wrong,” Dr. Brown said. “It really is just perfect.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/15/science/space/15xena.html?_r=1

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posted August 01, 2009 12:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for songwriter     Edit/Delete Message
I have Orcus sq Mercury 0°37, sq Moon 1°54, sq Pluto 2°08 forming a T-Square. Orcus also conjunct my Ascendant 2°19. My Ascendant is part of that T-Square as well.

Transiting Orcus trine my Mercury 2°45, trine Neptune 1°25 forming a Grand Trine. It also sq Mars 1°41, sextile Pluto 1°14, sq Chiron 0°28.

Looks like Orcus is prominent in my chart too.

Thanks for the information, Raymond.

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posted August 01, 2009 03:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
You're welcome.

Orcus is no joke. I think it can be very significant object, especially when it close in orb in transits and prominent in natal.

My mother has prominent Orcus with it in her 1st house conjunct her Ascendant with only 10 minutes of arc.

I also have a few esoteric aspects with Orcus.
Sun biseptile Orcus with 1 minute of arc to go with my Sun contraparallel Orcus with 1 minute of arc, and so Sun-Orcus bilevel.
Orcus is also septile my Ascendant with 27 minutes of arc. My Sun septiles Ascendant with 28 minutes of arc too. Therefore my Sun,Ascendant,and Orcus are in 7th harmonic aspect to each other. My Ascendant is on my Sun/Orcus midpoint.


I joined the navy,signing up,and swearing an oath at the time transiting Orcus was conjuncting my South Lunar Node in Leo and sextile my Midheaven in Gemini.
When I started navy basic training (aka bootcamp), there transiting Mercury-Orcus conjunction,and it was conjunct my South Lunar Node and sextile my Midheaven.

All that was back in the summer of 1991.


my exgf,Meghann has Moon square Orcus, and so she fit with my anima of Venus trine Orcus.


I am very curious how your Orcus transits with curious...especially the kite transit with your Mercury,Neptune,and Pluto.
The square to Mars looks very intense,passionate.


Raymond


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“It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status.

In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.

“She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them think their opinions are right and everyone else’s is wrong,” Dr. Brown said. “It really is just perfect.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/15/science/space/15xena.html?_r=1

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posted August 01, 2009 03:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diana     Edit/Delete Message
Orcus is square my mars, neptune, and jupiter.

I don't know where I have it natally.

I hope it moves quickly...

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posted August 01, 2009 03:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
"I hope it moves quickly..."

Orcus moves just as slow as Pluto.
It's orbit period is 1 year faster than Pluto.
Like Pluto, it has a 2:3 orbital resonance with Neptune.


It just dawned on me that transiting Orcus has been sextiling my Mom's Ascendant in 0'11 Cancer and her Orcus in 0'21 Cancer.
So transiting Orcus is sextiling her Orcus-Ascendant conjunction.
seems like a beneficial intensified evolutionary transit.
She also has transiting Pluto oppose her Ascendant too.


Raymond

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“It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status.

In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.

“She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them think their opinions are right and everyone else’s is wrong,” Dr. Brown said. “It really is just perfect.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/15/science/space/15xena.html?_r=1

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posted August 01, 2009 06:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for enchantress299     Edit/Delete Message
If it just moved into Virgo then it should be currently touching half of the planets in my chart, either by conjunction, square, or sextile.

It makes sense that it deals with challenging broken promises. I just challenged a friend who has constantly been making and breaking his promises to me. This time it was too big of a promise that he broke. I have had to distance myself from him.

That means it is currently trining the transiting Pluto then right?

My natal Orcus figures into my fire grand trine too by conjuncting my Mars (though loosely). I have Valentine 9'17, Mars 8'24, Orcus 4'33 Leo trining Moon 7'45 Aries trining Uranus 5'08 and Jupiter 2'17 Sagittarius. Maybe I can pack some more into that trine eh? Natal Orcus would also be squaring my Saturn in the 12th.

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posted August 01, 2009 07:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
"It makes sense that it deals with challenging broken promises. I just challenged a friend who has constantly been making and breaking his promises to me. This time it was too big of a promise that he broke. I have had to distance myself from him."

very interesting...talking about the transit playing out!

"That means it is currently trining the transiting Pluto then right?"

yep....Orcus in 0'01 Virgo trine retrograde Pluto in 1'03 Capricorn


Raymond

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“It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status.

In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.

“She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them think their opinions are right and everyone else’s is wrong,” Dr. Brown said. “It really is just perfect.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/15/science/space/15xena.html?_r=1

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posted August 01, 2009 08:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
i have orcus at 25 gemini, opp GC but not really hitting anything critically on my chart natally.

is there any rundown on its aspects anywhere? what would you think of orcus conj uranus in a synastry chart, for instance? it IS inconj my jupiter, and square my ceres/union...

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posted August 01, 2009 09:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
There is not much written about it.

With it being a transneptunian,plutino, it's similar to Pluto astronomically. Therefore, it should be similar to it astrologically. Aspects involving Orcus would be similar to aspects involving Pluto. Also, Orcus seems to do with oaths,promises. The keywords that Philip Sedgwick could give some insight.


Uranus conjunct Orcus wouldn't have much significance in a synastry because it's generational and similar to Uranus conjunct Pluto.

here is some stuff on Orcus
http://planetwiki.planetwaves.net/index.php?title=Talk:Orcus

Raymond

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“It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status.

In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.

“She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them think their opinions are right and everyone else’s is wrong,” Dr. Brown said. “It really is just perfect.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/15/science/space/15xena.html?_r=1

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posted August 01, 2009 10:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diana     Edit/Delete Message
The eclipse was just on my orcus. I have it in the 3rd house, end of third.

It's trine my AC.

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posted August 01, 2009 11:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
i was expecting to find it in a more active place in my chart, since i have always been unable to lie successfully...not only do i hate doing it but when i do i get caught out every time! gonna look some more, but though it's loosely trine my moon it doesn't look very significant at first glance - in my chart i mean!

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posted August 01, 2009 11:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
You could have Orcus strong by declination or declination longitude equivalent

even right ascension which is the equatorial longitude,and that's a very valid coordinate. It's the one that the astronomers use to locate objects. They use the declinations too.

There could be a significant Orcus aspect in those coordinates

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“It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status.

In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.

“She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them think their opinions are right and everyone else’s is wrong,” Dr. Brown said. “It really is just perfect.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/15/science/space/15xena.html?_r=1

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posted August 03, 2009 07:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks Raymond. My ASC is 0 Virgo. Natally I have the Big O Sextile Sun, and that 11+ Libra Perihelion is my Sun / Moon midpoint.
    Would like to add that T Pallas is currently 0 Virgo, and Ceres' stay in Virgo is about to end. T Ceres (is) poised to enter Libra...

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