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vesta
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posted August 05, 2009 02:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vesta     Edit/Delete Message
I read that
Most modern books/ astrologers suggest that the 5th house rules love affairs but apparently it is the 7th house.

anyone else see this in the charts?

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downtomars
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posted August 05, 2009 02:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for downtomars     Edit/Delete Message
I always thought of 5th house as love affairs and the 7th as marriages and partnerships.

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vesta
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posted August 05, 2009 02:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vesta     Edit/Delete Message
I always thought of the 5th as love affairs as well, but apparently it is more of pleasure vs the seventh witch rules partnerships.


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Glaucus
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posted August 05, 2009 03:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
shrugs

love affairs can be part of pleasure and aren't necessarily partnerships,relationships

Raymond

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“It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status.

In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.

“She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them think their opinions are right and everyone else’s is wrong,” Dr. Brown said. “It really is just perfect.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/15/science/space/15xena.html?_r=1

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lechien
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posted August 05, 2009 03:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lechien     Edit/Delete Message
5th house is more about leisurely things in general. so i think it's natural that it includes light-hearted romantic affairs.

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Glaucus
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posted August 05, 2009 03:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message

lechien,

exactly

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“It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status.

In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.

“She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them think their opinions are right and everyone else’s is wrong,” Dr. Brown said. “It really is just perfect.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/15/science/space/15xena.html?_r=1

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downtomars
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posted August 05, 2009 03:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for downtomars     Edit/Delete Message
Right. I think of it this way:

5th house = dating
7th house = marriage

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vesta
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posted August 05, 2009 03:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vesta     Edit/Delete Message
It was just something I noticed in a book

after examining a few charts it may actually end up that way.( even my own chart)


I have Uranus conjunct my DSC in Scorpio.
Uranus rules the unexpected, conjunct the DSC. Scorpio rules the country Morocco.
I had a love affair with A man from Morocco. He was very unexpected! And not the typical type of partner I would choose.(Uranus)

He was a fated partnership of some kind after looking at the charts.
Plus I looked at charts of others I know that have had love affairs and it was the same deal.

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Glaucus
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posted August 05, 2009 03:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message

5th house is also children,procreation too
children aren't necessarily the result of a relationship. They can be the result of a love affair. They could be the result of a one night stand. In the saddest cases, can be the result of rape.


my 5th and 7th are complicated


my 5th house ruler, Saturn in 5'08 Gemini in 9th is in opposition to both of my 7th house rulers, Jupiter in 8'17 Sagittarius in 3rd and Neptune in 1'48 Sagittarius in 3rd.
Saturn contraparallel Neptune with 3 minutes of arc too.
and they are connected to my anima planets, Moon and Venus.
Moon in Pisces in 6th squares the opposition of reograde Saturn and Jupiter-Neptune.
Venus in Scorpio is parallel Neptune and contraparallel Saturn.


Raymond

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“It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status.

In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.

“She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them think their opinions are right and everyone else’s is wrong,” Dr. Brown said. “It really is just perfect.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/15/science/space/15xena.html?_r=1

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Glaucus
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posted August 05, 2009 03:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
"I have Uranus conjunct my DSC in Scorpio.
Uranus rules the unexpected, conjunct the DSC. Scorpio rules the country Morocco.
I had a love affair with A man from Morocco. He was very unexpected! And not the typical type of partner I would choose.(Uranus)"

no wonder

Uranus in hard aspect to the Descendant can indicate unpredictable,unstable relationships. many of them don't tend to last long.


my maternal grandfather was with my maternal grandmother for not even a year. She married him for his allotment check to help take care of her and her daughter. My mother resulted in that brief relationship.

My grandfather had Uranus conjunct Descendant in Taurus less than 1 degree. My grandmother had Taurus Ascendant.


I have heliocentric Uranus Nodes square Ascendant/Descendant axis with 25 minutes of arc, and so relationships can be very unpredictable,unstable and not last long.
It also fits with my interracial relationships. the Heliocentric Uranus Nodes are in my 10th/4th houses. I was born from an interracial relationship.


Raymond

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“It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status.

In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.

“She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them think their opinions are right and everyone else’s is wrong,” Dr. Brown said. “It really is just perfect.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/15/science/space/15xena.html?_r=1

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posted August 05, 2009 03:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
Sorry guys, but I kind of disagree here with the love affairs/dating stuff... it feels a little superficial to me to say love and pleasure are not part of partnership...I mean, how can we separate the two? And why should we?

As a 5th house sun, and from my experience, 5th house rules LOVE. How that love evolves is a different story.
7th is partnerships, pure and simple, as well as open enemies.
You might marry someone you have 7th house synastry with, you might go into business with them, but without some 5th house stuff, there is no fun, no romance, no love... and how enjoyable is that marriage going to be??!

I don't like the whole traditional interpretation of 5th house being dating only. I don't feel it goes far enough, it gets taken too lightly. It might be my peregrine or unaspected sun talking, because I've read that a planet with no aspects might 'over-identify' with whatever house it's in, which might be my case. But I think it also depends how important love and romance are to YOU. If you have a Leo Dsc, for instance, having your 5th house activated is going to be very important, I feel.

The feeling of *falling* in love is ruled by the 5th. You can't have your partnership without that. And you can't go from 5th to 7th without the 6th, which is the process and the hands-on experience of what it's like to fall in love, and work up to a 7th house experience, and then consummate it in the 8th...

Also, may I just point out that I have seen couples get together and stay together without 7th house contacts? Case in point are two friends of mine who've been together some 20-odd years, and are still very much in love. Their synastry from I've seen is mainly 4th and 5th house... I didn't see 7th house anything. My feeling is that the 4th and 5th house don't let you take anything for granted because there's a certain joyfulness to the union.
So, I just think it's a bit more complex and diverse than 7th house or whatever. And I think it's about the angles set off in synastry too.... the 7th is just ONE angle, there are 3 others that can be set off to indicate relationship.

Forgive me, but lately I feel as though so much of what I read about astrology feels very separated and unintegrated. Something means Something and therefor becomes etched in stone... it feels very restrictive to me, and like the whole picture is not being seen. I don't think we as people operate on that level.... I feel astrology is meant to be more diverse than that, because we are too.

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Glaucus
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posted August 05, 2009 04:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message

shrugs

sometimes, I get skeptical of houses and think of not using them at all

just like the Cosmobiologists.

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“It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status.

In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.

“She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them think their opinions are right and everyone else’s is wrong,” Dr. Brown said. “It really is just perfect.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/15/science/space/15xena.html?_r=1

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posted August 05, 2009 04:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
I hear you, Glaucus... the house systems bother me too sometimes. It feels restrictive to me or something.

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Glaucus
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posted August 05, 2009 04:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
I also wondered why 7th house is open enemies in Western Astrology.

In Vedic Astrology, enemies is associate with the 6th house.

I read that my Rahu in 6th house was a great placement for defeating enemies.

I read that malefics operate strongly in malefic houses,and so can be beneficial.


it actually makes sense

in ancient times, defeated enemies were made slaves

6th house is the house associated with servants,slaves in Vedic Astrology


Raymond

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“It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status.

In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.

“She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them think their opinions are right and everyone else’s is wrong,” Dr. Brown said. “It really is just perfect.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/15/science/space/15xena.html?_r=1

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posted August 05, 2009 04:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
Some of my most bitter, hurtful relationships to the point of outright enemies (ex-husband, a couple of other boyfriends) were very heavily 7th house-oriented lol.

Maybe the downside of partnership? Two sides to every coin, after all... when partnerships turn sour, it can get nasty.

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Glaucus
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posted August 05, 2009 04:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message

Good points


I think that the house systems are relative in regards to the culture.

arranged marriages are a common thing in India. Divorces are highly uncommon.
so it makes sense that 7th house is not the house of open enemies in Vedic Astrology.


Johannes Kepler believed that house systems are invalid. He denounced them as Arabic sorcery. He questioned the amount of houses. He said that there could be less houses or more houses apart from the 12 that are traditionally used.


Raymond

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“It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status.

In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.

“She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them think their opinions are right and everyone else’s is wrong,” Dr. Brown said. “It really is just perfect.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/15/science/space/15xena.html?_r=1

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posted August 05, 2009 04:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vesta     Edit/Delete Message
sound about right most of my relations with men and family have been that way.

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posted August 05, 2009 04:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GypseeWind     Edit/Delete Message
Would someone indulge me please in the interest of education?

I have nothing in the fifth house.

In the seventh house I have Mercury in Scorpio and Neptune in Scorpio. Does this explain my many connections to scorpios??

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Glaucus
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posted August 05, 2009 04:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
"In the seventh house I have Mercury in Scorpio and Neptune in Scorpio. Does this explain my many connections to scorpios??:


affirmative.

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“It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status.

In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.

“She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them think their opinions are right and everyone else’s is wrong,” Dr. Brown said. “It really is just perfect.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/15/science/space/15xena.html?_r=1

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posted August 05, 2009 05:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nine     Edit/Delete Message
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Some of my most bitter, hurtful relationships to the point of outright enemies (ex-husband, a couple of other boyfriends) were very heavily 7th house-oriented lol.

Maybe the downside of partnership? Two sides to every coin, after all... when partnerships turn sour, it can get nasty.


The 7th house makes the first opposition in the zodiac (Aries-Libra), thus it's considered the house of opponents, confrontation, and open enemies. As the house of consciousness, where light (the full moon - Sun opp. Moon) is shed upon the dark.

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posted August 05, 2009 08:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hopelessromantic     Edit/Delete Message
has anyone else heard that 5th house moon indicates infidelity, or at the least changeable love emotions in a person's chart. i'd like to get to the bottom of this

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GypseeWind
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posted August 05, 2009 10:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GypseeWind     Edit/Delete Message
Thank You very much Glaucus, I have always wondered about that, since it seems almost fated for me. I appreciate your help.

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MsCandeh
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posted August 11, 2009 05:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MsCandeh     Edit/Delete Message
I also find the houses somewhat restrictive (though not irrelevant) ... I don't have any 5th OR 7th house planets. Actually, I don't have any 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 12th, 1st or 2nd house planets!

So, that means that if I get into a relationship, noone is going to have planets aspecting my planets in those houses (though I do have midpoints in some of these houses) ... my two most significant relationships did not have any planets hitting my 5th house (though there was definitely love, enjoyment there) and only one of them had Saturn in my 7th!

So I'm not sure if 5th house placements are overall significant for love affairs? I overlayed another SO in my life over my chart - we had so much fun together and really loved each other (we couldn't be together which was very hard because we loved each other so much!). All of his planets fell in my 8th, 9th (packed), 10th, 11th! (except NN and Chiron which fell in my 4th and 5th respectively).

So I'm not sure what this means, but I don't seem to have love affairs who have 5th house connections with me (at least regarding the planets).

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I just did another overlay of my first serious BF - none of his planets fell in my 5th or 7th
The first person I fell in true love with - none of his planets fell in my 5th or 7th house.
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*ETA. My 5th house cusp is Gemini. I do seem to have significant relationships/affairs with Gem influenced people. 7th house cusp ruler is Leo. As my 7th house ruler's planet (sun) falls in my 4th - and the Gem suns/asc/venus's fall in my 4th(usually) - this could be a good explanation why?

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lechien
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posted August 11, 2009 05:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lechien     Edit/Delete Message
house elements are also highlighted by which houses their rulers fall into and how the ruling planets are aspected too.

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MsCandeh
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posted August 11, 2009 05:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MsCandeh     Edit/Delete Message
this is all very confusing lol

my 5th house ruler is in 3rd, my 7th house ruler is in 4th, and I do usually have significant relationships with people who have planets in my 3rd/4th house! (I have planets in these houses too).

Does this sound right?

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