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Topic: Progressions with transits?
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MyVirgoMask Knowflake Posts: 3671 From: Bay Area, CA Registered: May 2009
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posted August 06, 2009 06:51 AM
I don't know if this is a stupid question, but, when looking at a progressed chart, does one also look at the progressed chart's transits, or just stick to the natal transits? I'm curious if progressed chart transits reveal anything.IP: Logged |
lechien Knowflake Posts: 1980 From: in a giant room with 2 little furry friends Registered: May 2009
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posted August 06, 2009 07:04 AM
i look at transits on progressed. i think it makes sense. to me it's sort of like a secondary factor to the transits on natal, something that gives a little more depth to it...but i don't know if it's just me though. i would like to hear what everyone else's opinions are too! IP: Logged |
Glaucus Knowflake Posts: 5819 From: Sacramento,California Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 06, 2009 07:47 AM
Transits are said to trigger secondary progressions to produce eventsif they are not triggered, they tend to be only psychological. Raymond
------------------ “It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status. In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War. “She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them think their opinions are right and everyone else’s is wrong,” Dr. Brown said. “It really is just perfect.” http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/15/science/space/15xena.html?_r=1 IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask Knowflake Posts: 3671 From: Bay Area, CA Registered: May 2009
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posted August 06, 2009 02:11 PM
Thanks! But erm... I don't understand what a secondary progression is, exactly...IP: Logged |
Diana Knowflake Posts: 2620 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted August 06, 2009 02:35 PM
MVM,A 2ndary progression is a progressed chart. Go to astro and there is an option for it. I think transits to them are real. My AC just changed into cancer, my moon just changed into gemini and my venus is at 29* cap, so it will change soon. TPluto is currently conjunct my DC exactly. That scares me. Pluto has not been kind to me in the past. IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask Knowflake Posts: 3671 From: Bay Area, CA Registered: May 2009
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posted August 06, 2009 02:39 PM
Thanks, Diana! I'll give it a shot!I dunno what to say about Pluto...hang in there! Maybe the start of a very intense relationship or something. EDIT: OK, are they Tertiary Progressions in the extended chart list?? IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask Knowflake Posts: 3671 From: Bay Area, CA Registered: May 2009
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posted August 06, 2009 02:46 PM
OK, another dumb question lol: If it is the Tertiary progression option, do I need to like put in a date at the 'start charts with date' option, or can I just leave it for the date now and see what's going on?Sorry, I'm just a little confused here When I do the tertiary progression it's interesting - I put the date for when I met my ex husband and the transits to that chart are both the Sun and Pluto conjunct the 7th house.
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vertiver Knowflake Posts: 2405 From: Portland, OR Registered: May 2009
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posted August 06, 2009 03:00 PM
Ok MVM, I think I figured out your question. So cast your progressed chart on astro.com, and then once the chart shows up on the top left is the "show transits" button, and this should show the transits and progressed chart together.I'm so glad you brought this topic up, because my Progressed Ascendant is at 1 '57 degrees Capricorn, which means that T. Pluto is exactly conjunct my progressed Ascendant. No wonder things have been feeling so heavy for me while being transformative, when is Pluto going to go direct again, anyways?
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vertiver Knowflake Posts: 2405 From: Portland, OR Registered: May 2009
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posted August 06, 2009 03:02 PM
Also I found this tidbit about tertiary progressions: quote: Tertiary progressions are a predictive method. There are two kinds of tertiary progressions: I (T I) and II (T II). In the first method, T I, each day after the day of birth is equivalent to one lunar month in an individual's life, and in the second method, T II, each synodic month after the day of birth is symbolically equivalent to one year in a person's life. Both methods are rarely used which doesn't, however, mean that they are of little value. Tertiary methods of progression differ from some of the more commonly used secondary progressions in that they can also be applied to the slow moving planets Saturn, Uranus, Neptune and Pluto, in addition to Jupiter which is relatively slow-moving. With secondary progressions, these planets barely move and therefore hardly play a role in astrological interpretation. The secondary progressions are related to the Sun's movement whereas tertiary progressions are based on the movement of the Moon. InterpretationThe main factors in T I progressions are: A new phase begins when a planet moves from one sign to the next. Important triggers are stationary phases and eclipses which aspect planets and axes in the natal chart, also aspects (especially the conjunction, opposition or square) from (tertiary progressed) axes and planets to axes or planets in the natal chart. The same factors also play a role in T II tertiary progressions, although it makes more sense to include - with the rather obvious exception of eclipses - the planets Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune and Pluto, presuming short term triggers are not the main focus of attention. Periods of time Both methods of tertiary progression are concerned with much smaller periods of time than secondary progressions and are therefore useful for making detailed short-term predictions. With T I, the Sun moves roughly one degree per month which makes it equivalent to the secondary progressed Moon. It can also be used to measure the average diurnal movement of the other planets. With the T II method, the planets move at one twelfth of their actual speed: for example, the Moon moves around one degree instead of twelve and the Sun around 2 1/2 degrees in one month instead of around 30 degrees. Axes Various methods can be used to progress the horoscope axes. The simplest method is solar arcs which moves the Medium Coeli in line with the (tertiary) progressed Sun so that the angle between the Sun and the MC in the tertiary progressed chart always remains the same as the angle in the natal one. The movement of the other house cusps is based on the movement of the Medium Coeli.
http://wiki.astro.com/astrowiki/en/Tertiary_Progression
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MyVirgoMask Knowflake Posts: 3671 From: Bay Area, CA Registered: May 2009
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posted August 06, 2009 03:06 PM
Thanks guys, but I am still confused I know how to do regular progressions with transits on astro.com, and I just want to run the secondary progressions (tertiary) astro.com, and want to know if I need to put any date down for the start date. Am I confusing everyone? I'm so sorry!!! IP: Logged |
vertiver Knowflake Posts: 2405 From: Portland, OR Registered: May 2009
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posted August 06, 2009 03:28 PM
Just click on progressed chart on astro.com. Tertiary is a different thing, its based on the progressed moon position instead of Sun. IP: Logged |
Lonake Knowflake Posts: 9947 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 06, 2009 03:31 PM
ty glaucus for that infoIP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask Knowflake Posts: 3671 From: Bay Area, CA Registered: May 2009
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posted August 06, 2009 03:34 PM
Vertiver, I know, but I want to do the Moon progression thingie lol. I hear it's actually much more accurate for prediction. I hate regular progressions, they're so SLOW and boring!!!!!!!!!!!! IP: Logged |
Lonake Knowflake Posts: 9947 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 06, 2009 03:42 PM
are you kidding, i just finished a round of transiting neptune in natal 7th, now it's conj progressed dsc exactly and ready to start its trek through there. wonders never cease at the same time it's gearing up to conj my sun. and now i see transiting uranus has been following my progressed sun...i miss jupiter going over my lil moon/venus back at christmastime IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask Knowflake Posts: 3671 From: Bay Area, CA Registered: May 2009
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posted August 06, 2009 03:55 PM
LOL Lonake. I feel for you! I have the stupid transit of Uranus oppose my sun and also Saturn conjunct it too, while they are both opposing each other! Blecchhh IP: Logged |
Unmoved Knowflake Posts: 2196 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted August 06, 2009 04:02 PM
MVM~ the Sun is being mauled! Hey, nothing is necessarily going to happen. Remember that it is the third time tUranus and tSaturn are stressing the nSun. 3rd time!! Unless you have a hunch about something?Don't worry, MVM. IP: Logged |
Nine Moderator Posts: 3924 From: The Cusp of Love Registered: May 2009
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posted August 06, 2009 04:08 PM
quote: ... I know, but I want to do the Moon progression thingie lol. I hear it's actually much more accurate for prediction. I hate regular progressions, they're so SLOW and boring!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes. Use the start date for the point in time you want to look up. IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask Knowflake Posts: 3671 From: Bay Area, CA Registered: May 2009
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posted August 06, 2009 04:53 PM
Unmoved, I'm trying not to worry... soon both of these stupid transits will be over (only to be replaced by new ones ) Nine - thank you!!! IP: Logged |
Unmoved Knowflake Posts: 2196 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted August 07, 2009 04:05 PM
Tell me about it! re:transitsIP: Logged |
Glaucus Knowflake Posts: 5819 From: Sacramento,California Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 07, 2009 04:38 PM
Robert Blaschke has a book on progressions. I should get the book. He writes about secondary,tertiary,and minor progressions. http://www.amazon.com/Astrology-Language-Life-I-Progressions/dp/0966897803/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1249677379&sr=8-2
I was going to do his class, but homework and being graded as well as needing to write a long composition freaks me out. heh That's for every astrological course. I like teaching myself. any ways..I strongly recommend his books. I have his books on relationships,sabian aspect orbs,and self employment in astrology Raymond
------------------ “It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status. In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War. “She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them think their opinions are right and everyone else’s is wrong,” Dr. Brown said. “It really is just perfect.” http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/15/science/space/15xena.html?_r=1 IP: Logged |
MoonMystic Knowflake Posts: 5179 From: Registered: Nov 2016
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posted July 04, 2021 08:13 PM
Just diving in for the first time to Tertiary prog. Saturn just went into Gemini in mine. still on it and what are factors to understand in this chart.~
(Tertiary prog chart) MC will jump into Virgo in Feb 2022. The 11th house - which is a blending of Service to others and Aquarian energies. POF is going to jump before too long (?) into 7th "other people". Mercury decan (nice) Taurus. Idk if this can be a career indication. It seems it could be, service employed ppl need customers/clients. 9th hiuse Cancer, travel overseas? Bloomburg in 4th. Could that be a transplant home? In the May chart POF slides down to 5th in Pisces house. Hatta between Feb/May moved into 7th, Taurus Saturn's decan (career energy). "Hatta" is basically "bazaar, shope" Market or mercantile. *In my 2nd house London+Mercury, Jupiter together in Saturn decan Sign Sagittarius. *Venus, ruler of 7th is in 4th, Mercury decan. 4th house is Aquarius which relates here with the MC in my 10th. The 6th is where Chiron is. Trine Neptune (in the mercury decan). The service is in healing industry. MC biquintile chiron. Semisextile Pluto, and xenia.
My run down - Only MC+Saturn have changed houses recently, no stationary 1st Temple, Sutton/Asc Scorpio (towns in London) 2nd Neptune, Brita, Mercury, Jupiter, London 3rd Capricorn - SUN - in Mars decan, indicating to me MC is highlighted now. 4th NN and Venus 5th Glasgow and POF 6th Mars, Chiron 7th Cambridge, Hatta, Pallas 8th Saturn, Angel (place in London) tr Xenia on Angel 9th Cancer empty 10th SN Brita+Sutton in tr there 11th is MC *12th Xenia, Pluto actually just passed the curve into Libra, Uranus
Anyone think this looks like relocating for a career overseas? Thank you.
This is the 2.2022 chart w/o transits.
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Hikaru29 Knowflake Posts: 3475 From: Asia Registered: Nov 2018
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posted July 05, 2021 07:45 AM
I'm still not sure how to create a tertiary progression chart. Is it the option that says 'Tertiary Progression II (Minor progressions)'? What about TI?When reading transits, how do you synthesize transits to natal, secondary progression and tertiary progression? If they're saying different things... IP: Logged |