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MyVirgoMask
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posted August 06, 2009 06:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I don't know if this is a stupid question, but, when looking at a progressed chart, does one also look at the progressed chart's transits, or just stick to the natal transits?
I'm curious if progressed chart transits reveal anything.

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posted August 06, 2009 07:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lechien     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i look at transits on progressed. i think it makes sense. to me it's sort of like a secondary factor to the transits on natal, something that gives a little more depth to it...

but i don't know if it's just me though. i would like to hear what everyone else's opinions are too!

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posted August 06, 2009 07:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Transits are said to trigger secondary progressions to produce events

if they are not triggered, they tend to be only psychological.


Raymond

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“It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status.

In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.

“She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them think their opinions are right and everyone else’s is wrong,” Dr. Brown said. “It really is just perfect.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/15/science/space/15xena.html?_r=1

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posted August 06, 2009 02:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks! But erm... I don't understand what a secondary progression is, exactly...

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posted August 06, 2009 02:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
MVM,

A 2ndary progression is a progressed chart. Go to astro and there is an option for it.

I think transits to them are real. My AC just changed into cancer, my moon just changed into gemini and my venus is at 29* cap, so it will change soon.

TPluto is currently conjunct my DC exactly. That scares me. Pluto has not been kind to me in the past.

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posted August 06, 2009 02:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks, Diana! I'll give it a shot!

I dunno what to say about Pluto...hang in there! Maybe the start of a very intense relationship or something.

EDIT: OK, are they Tertiary Progressions in the extended chart list??

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posted August 06, 2009 02:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OK, another dumb question lol:
If it is the Tertiary progression option, do I need to like put in a date at the 'start charts with date' option, or can I just leave it for the date now and see what's going on?

Sorry, I'm just a little confused here


When I do the tertiary progression it's interesting - I put the date for when I met my ex husband and the transits to that chart are both the Sun and Pluto conjunct the 7th house.

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posted August 06, 2009 03:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vertiver     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok MVM, I think I figured out your question. So cast your progressed chart on astro.com, and then once the chart shows up on the top left is the "show transits" button, and this should show the transits and progressed chart together.

I'm so glad you brought this topic up, because my Progressed Ascendant is at 1 '57 degrees Capricorn, which means that T. Pluto is exactly conjunct my progressed Ascendant. No wonder things have been feeling so heavy for me while being transformative, when is Pluto going to go direct again, anyways?


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posted August 06, 2009 03:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vertiver     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also I found this tidbit about tertiary progressions:

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Tertiary progressions are a predictive method. There are two kinds of tertiary progressions: I (T I) and II (T II). In the first method, T I, each day after the day of birth is equivalent to one lunar month in an individual's life, and in the second method, T II, each synodic month after the day of birth is symbolically equivalent to one year in a person's life. Both methods are rarely used which doesn't, however, mean that they are of little value.
Tertiary methods of progression differ from some of the more commonly used secondary progressions in that they can also be applied to the slow moving planets Saturn, Uranus, Neptune and Pluto, in addition to Jupiter which is relatively slow-moving. With secondary progressions, these planets barely move and therefore hardly play a role in astrological interpretation.
The secondary progressions are related to the Sun's movement whereas tertiary progressions are based on the movement of the Moon.
Interpretation

The main factors in T I progressions are:
A new phase begins when a planet moves from one sign to the next.
Important triggers are stationary phases
and eclipses which aspect planets and axes in the natal chart, also aspects (especially the conjunction, opposition or square) from (tertiary progressed) axes and planets to axes or planets in the natal chart.
The same factors also play a role in T II tertiary progressions, although it makes more sense to include - with the rather obvious exception of eclipses - the planets Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune and Pluto, presuming short term triggers are not the main focus of attention.
Periods of time

Both methods of tertiary progression are concerned with much smaller periods of time than secondary progressions and are therefore useful for making detailed short-term predictions. With T I, the Sun moves roughly one degree per month which makes it equivalent to the secondary progressed Moon. It can also be used to measure the average diurnal movement of the other planets. With the T II method, the planets move at one twelfth of their actual speed: for example, the Moon moves around one degree instead of twelve and the Sun around 2 1/2 degrees in one month instead of around 30 degrees.
Axes

Various methods can be used to progress the horoscope axes. The simplest method is solar arcs which moves the Medium Coeli in line with the (tertiary) progressed Sun so that the angle between the Sun and the MC in the tertiary progressed chart always remains the same as the angle in the natal one. The movement of the other house cusps is based on the movement of the Medium Coeli.



http://wiki.astro.com/astrowiki/en/Tertiary_Progression

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posted August 06, 2009 03:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks guys, but I am still confused

I know how to do regular progressions with transits on astro.com, and I just want to run the secondary progressions (tertiary) astro.com, and want to know if I need to put any date down for the start date.
Am I confusing everyone? I'm so sorry!!!

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posted August 06, 2009 03:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vertiver     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just click on progressed chart on astro.com. Tertiary is a different thing, its based on the progressed moon position instead of Sun.

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posted August 06, 2009 03:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ty glaucus for that info

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posted August 06, 2009 03:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Vertiver, I know, but I want to do the Moon progression thingie lol. I hear it's actually much more accurate for prediction.
I hate regular progressions, they're so SLOW and boring!!!!!!!!!!!!

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posted August 06, 2009 03:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
are you kidding, i just finished a round of transiting neptune in natal 7th, now it's conj progressed dsc exactly and ready to start its trek through there. wonders never cease at the same time it's gearing up to conj my sun. and now i see transiting uranus has been following my progressed sun...

i miss jupiter going over my lil moon/venus back at christmastime

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posted August 06, 2009 03:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LOL Lonake. I feel for you!
I have the stupid transit of Uranus oppose my sun and also Saturn conjunct it too, while they are both opposing each other! Blecchhh

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posted August 06, 2009 04:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unmoved     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
MVM~ the Sun is being mauled!
Hey, nothing is necessarily going to happen.
Remember that it is the third time tUranus and tSaturn are stressing the nSun. 3rd time!! Unless you have a hunch about something?

Don't worry, MVM.

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posted August 06, 2009 04:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
... I know, but I want to do the Moon progression thingie lol. I hear it's actually much more accurate for prediction.
I hate regular progressions, they're so SLOW and boring!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes. Use the start date for the point in time you want to look up.

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posted August 06, 2009 04:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Unmoved, I'm trying not to worry... soon both of these stupid transits will be over (only to be replaced by new ones )

Nine - thank you!!!

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posted August 07, 2009 04:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unmoved     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Tell me about it! re:transits

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posted August 07, 2009 04:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Robert Blaschke has a book on progressions.
I should get the book.


He writes about secondary,tertiary,and minor progressions. http://www.amazon.com/Astrology-Language-Life-I-Progressions/dp/0966897803/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1249677379&sr=8-2

I was going to do his class, but homework and being graded as well as needing to write a long composition freaks me out. heh
That's for every astrological course. I like teaching myself.

any ways..I strongly recommend his books.

I have his books on relationships,sabian aspect orbs,and self employment in astrology

Raymond

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“It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status.

In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.

“She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them think their opinions are right and everyone else’s is wrong,” Dr. Brown said. “It really is just perfect.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/15/science/space/15xena.html?_r=1

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posted July 04, 2021 08:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MoonMystic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just diving in for the first time to Tertiary prog. Saturn just went into Gemini in mine. still on it and what are factors to understand in this chart.

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  (Tertiary  prog chart)

  MC will jump into Virgo in Feb 2022. The 11th house  - which is a blending of Service to others and Aquarian energies.

POF is going to jump before too long (?) into 7th "other people".  Mercury decan (nice) Taurus.
Idk if this can be a career indication.  It seems it could be, service employed ppl need customers/clients.
9th hiuse Cancer, travel overseas? Bloomburg in 4th. Could that be a transplant home?


In the May chart POF slides down to 5th in Pisces house.
Hatta between  Feb/May moved into 7th, Taurus Saturn's decan (career energy). "Hatta" is basically  "bazaar,  shope" Market or mercantile.  *In my 2nd house London+Mercury, Jupiter together in Saturn decan Sign Sagittarius. *Venus, ruler of 7th is in 4th, Mercury decan.
4th house is Aquarius which relates here with the MC in my 10th. The 6th is where Chiron is. Trine Neptune (in the mercury  decan). The service is in healing industry.
 MC biquintile chiron. Semisextile Pluto, and xenia.


My run down -
Only MC+Saturn have changed houses recently,  no stationary
1st  Temple, Sutton/Asc Scorpio  (towns in London)
2nd  Neptune, Brita, Mercury, Jupiter,  London
3rd  Capricorn   - SUN  -  in Mars decan, indicating to me MC is highlighted now.
4th  NN and Venus
5th Glasgow and  POF
6th Mars, Chiron
7th  Cambridge,  Hatta, Pallas
8th Saturn, Angel (place in London) tr Xenia on Angel
9th  Cancer  empty
10th  SN  Brita+Sutton in tr there
11th is MC
*12th Xenia,   Pluto actually just passed the curve into Libra,
   Uranus


Anyone think this looks like relocating for a career overseas?
   Thank you.


This is the 2.2022 chart w/o transits.


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posted July 05, 2021 07:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm still not sure how to create a tertiary progression chart. Is it the option that says 'Tertiary Progression II (Minor progressions)'? What about TI?

When reading transits, how do you synthesize transits to natal, secondary progression and tertiary progression? If they're saying different things...

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