posted August 06, 2009 10:05 AM         

Long story extremely short: We began to talk on the phone & get to know each other and have more or less fallen in love. There's a strong sense of family between us, wanting to having a home & children. Even the astrology between his son & I is pretty interesting. I was wondering if anyone would like to take a stab at our charts and explain what you see.

I've been pouring over these charts for a while now, but I always enjoy a 3rd party perspective as well! Please help me out! I'm especially interested in the asteroid connections as I am just starting to use them in my studies and I would love to hear some interpretations (ie: Valentine conjunct Venus in the composite chart)

Happy Full Moon!

posted August 08, 2009 01:00 AM         

Well, I'm honestly not very good at interpreting charts... I'm still fairly new at this... but seeing as no one else has replied yet I'll take a stab at it

Firstly, you mentioned this familiarity and the desire for family and all that...that DW Moon in the 4th conjunct your IC and his Venus conjunct your IC would contribute to that feeling... it's as if eachother's emotional nature arouses these feelings of family and wanting to create a family in eachother... sounds like a good foundation to start on...Venus conjunct Neptune can be a good aspect... you will idealize eachother and see eachother as almost without flaws... however, there can be danger of illusion with this... also beware of this being in the 12th house... as this is the place of all things hidden... Saturn conjunct the AC in my experience can be tricky... you may feel like the Saturn energy is stifling and that you cannot fully be yourself around him... The asteroids are pretty favorable You have Eros conjunct AC which can be verrry nice... great physical relationship probably as his Eros sees you as his physical ideal... but this seems to be mutual because you have your Eros conjunct his Sun and Venus as well... Karma conjunct Valentine... seems to be a very fated, karmic union? Also, adding to this you have that NN conjunct Moon which can be very good for relationship glue but also an aspect that you will grow from emotionally... although it seems that you'll be doing the teaching... and NN conjunct Mars also makes for very powerful attraction... Mercury conjunct Jupiter makes for easy communication... overall, don't stress over it so much! It looks like you have good potential for a very fulfilling relationship!

posted August 08, 2009 06:43 AM         

The man brings love, luck, wisdom and joy in your life thanks to his Jupiter and AMOR falling in your 5th. He will be very happy with you as your Mars and Pluto are in his 11th. Also his True Node is 11th, meaning seeking genuine happiness and universal harmony adds to his spiritual self actualization. This is very good for a 5 numbered Piscean. Scorpio Ascendant Pisces men have excellent emotional strength as well, traits that will help tide over difficult times.

Red Flags:
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1. He has Neptune in 1st and is a Pisces. This can cause self delusion, denial and living in a dream world far removed from the practical realities of life.

2. Uranus in 12th Retrograde, he can have very sudden disrupting tragedies in life if he is not focused.

3. His Saturn is in 9th but is retrograde. He should not have retrogressive belief systems that seem to enhance a generation gap.

4. His Pluto is in 10th and is retrograde. You must double chekc his career and ambitions. How much has the current recession affected his finances, debts, prospects?

Other Point: The Composite Chart has features that are best tackled if the man is
highly evolved. It is not easy for a casual man to contend with a 13.3 Sag Comp Ascendant, for that is the degree representative of Ancient Egyptian Karmic lifeline. Pluto is conjunct Arcturus, a highly evolved Star System astrologically speaking. This will cause tremendous transformational events. And True Node in 1.4 Leo is in the most difficult degree of Leo, interms of Sabian Symbols, not at all for the chicken hearted. A powerful JUNO-AMOR-PSYCHE grand trine and Venus-Valentine conjunction promises plenty of love but this relationship needs both practical wisdom, fortitude and love.

You have to be the practical partner to make this relationship work and for it to have happiness lifelong.

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posted August 08, 2009 11:07 AM         

Thanks so much for your interpretation,I think you really nailed it.

Here's what I've noticed so far and some questions I have for you:

* My Saturn on his Ascendant, I find this one to be interesting, since he is 8 years my senior I find myself doing what I consider "lecturing" its not my favorite thing in the world, but it happens quite a bit. It'll be for minor or major things: ie. "Please make sure you set that appointment for your acupuncture treatment." And I'll call him to make sure that he's made it. Or " No dear, I do not think its okay to beat someone up at the club!" I'm just realizing that his Mars has some pretty strong afflictions going on and he has a hot quick temper.

The nice thing is that he's very receptive to my advice so far and does not take it as nagging or interference. I try to keep it to a minimum.

What has been your experience what Saturn on the Ascendant? I can see how it could affect the Ascendant person... no one wants to be nagged. As the Saturn in the relationship I definitely do not want to be scolding him.

posted August 08, 2009 12:43 PM         

Well... How long have you been together? This can also have some effect on how he will react to your "lecturing." If you're still in the honeymoon phase of the relationship, he's unlikely to accuse you of "nagging" because everyone wants to put their best foot forward in the beginning. However, Saturn is ESSENTIAL to relationships. It is actually quite common to find incredible synastry between two people but nothing between them. No relationship or very short-lived relationship. I find that this is often b/c of a LACK of Saturn aspects. Saturn creates this invisible force of obligation to make the relationship work. It's a kind of glue that makes you feel that for one reason or another, you HAVE to make it work... speaking from experience here! In my current relationship, my Saturn opposes his Sun, Moon, Mercury, and Venus, so sometimes I can be a bit of a "nag" as well... but it's also kept us together during the (frequent) tough times.

That said, you don't want too much Saturn either, or the relationship will just feel wayyy too heavy and unlivable. Every relationship will have issues. There's no escaping that. This may just be the area that you two will have problems but it doesn't mean that you two can't work it out! Also, I find that your Jupiter conjunct his Mars may make the effects of Saturn a little bit lighter.

As for Saturn conjunct Vertex, this is not necessarily a bad thing. It could indicate an immediate attraction (probably from his end particularly, him being the Vertex) and an intense fated relationship. You could just be the stabilizing effect that he needs for that erratic Mars of his!

posted August 08, 2009 12:56 PM         

Your analysis raises a lot of questions for me that I hope you don't mind answering. I also noticed a few more things in the charts as well.

*I was curious how sharing various planet placements could benefit or hurt us? For example, we both have Pluto in the 10, Uranus in the 12th as well as Neptune in the 1st (It conjuncts my Ascendant and my Moon is in Pisces)

* Does having a Pisces Sun/Moon connection without the conjunction still lend us an added boost in terms of synastry?

* I forgot to add some asteroids in the synastry chart as well as the Vertex, but I noticed that his Saturn is conjunct my Vertex at 9 deg Leo. His Vertex falls into my 7th house.

* Our Vestas are exactly opposite one another. Mine at 10 deg Capricorn & his at 10 Deg Cancer.

* My Vesta is opposite his Vertex at 13 deg Cancer.

* My Ceres is Conjuct his MC at 13 Deg Virgo

* We have a few Chiron trines as well. His t
trines my Sun/ASC. Mine trines his Mars

*I saw that the Pars Fortunae of the composite chart exactly conjuncts my sun & Asc.

Where can I read more about the Arcturus and the Ancient Egyptian Karmic Lifeline? I would love to learn more!

posted August 08, 2009 01:09 PM         

We haven't been together long, we're trying to over come the long distance at the moment with him making strides in his career in Houston and I'm based in NYC. So I still think its honeymoon, but we've been surprisingly frank with one another.

I think that Saturn gets a bad wrap, but hey, what can you do.

We have a few nice Saturn contacts in the composite chart as well

Saturn trine Sun
Saturn sextile Ascendant
Saturn Opposite Moon

(This one I'm not too crazy about, since its probably responsible for the long distance. I had this in my last relationship and we spent about half of our relationship long distance because of school or traveling.)

I think he has a lot of instant attraction for me, a lot of my planets fall into his first house. It hasn't hit me as strongly yet, but I hope that it does when we finally reconnect. The phone can only do so much!!

posted August 08, 2009 01:17 PM         

I definitely noticed that his North Node is exactly conjunct my DC, with My Saturn on his Sun and the majority of my planets falling into his 1st house, just like his father.

posted August 09, 2009 08:20 PM         

Anyway... Sun trine Saturn is a very good Saturn aspect in composite! It takes away from that "heavy" feeling Saturn creates, allowing you both to feel secure and stable with eachother! **thumbs up** Cafeastrology even goes as far as saying that "you are destined to have a long-lasting relationship."

Also, you say that the attraction hasn't "hit you" as hard as it has him yet... Well I suspect that could partially be because you natally have Sun and Venus in the 12th... it could be that this attraction is in a place that is hidden... even from you... of course this is just a possibility... my bf has his Sun, Moon, Mercury, and Venus in the 12th and that's how it is for him... Another possibility for this is that there are a bit more attraction aspects from his end it seems... doesn't mean that it won't escalate from your end with time, however...

It's definitely very good that you have such strong aspects with his son. It's probably very important to this man that you get along with him. It seems like you will be a prominent figure in his son's life, and you are supposed to learn quite a bit from eachother. Pallas conjunct Vertex can be a sign of this. It is his inescapable fate(Vertex) to teach you something or connect with you on an intellectual level (Pallas)? That's what I would guess for that one. I have never experienced this aspect myself though honestly. However, NN conjunct DC I do have experience with. In my current relationship, My NN conjuncts my bf's DC exactly, and it definitely feels like we've come together in order for me to teach him a thing or two about relationships and partnerships. In any case, any tight conjunction to the angles symbolizes a strong bond. From what I understand about synastry, the NN person is the one supposed to do the teaching and the planet (or angle) person is drawn to him/her in order to learn. Ironically enough, despite his age (unless this theory is completely wrong) it seems that the son will be doing most of the teaching. Since in your situation this is more of a mother-son-dynamic, I would say maybe he is supposed to teach you something about relationships or partnerships in general... in a way that supports your soul growth... This of course sounds very good but it does not mean that this will necessarily be a "comfortable" connection... the NN symbolizes growth but connections to it in synastry can occasionally feel a little tense... b/c it forces us to step OUTSIDE of our comfort zone... whereas SN connections do just the opposite... That Pluto conjunct Uranus also can make things a tad bit turbulent between you two... but at the same time very transformational... There are some nice aspects to make up for this! You have that double whammy Moon in 4th conjunct your IC- You will naturally see eachother as family... Psyche conjunct Ceres... You will nurture his intellectual ability/psyche or connect with him on a deep level that he finds nurturing? And also Sun conjunct Chiron can be very positive... he may be able to help you heal certain issues regarding your identity... All in all, definitely a karmic connection...

Based on his chart, he will definitely be an intelligent, interesting, complicated, intense, and passionate human being when he is older.

posted August 13, 2009 12:15 AM         

Actually speaking of the 12th house stuff... I was wondering if you could possible provide some insight on how you love... I find it a fascinating position for Venus to be in... and also my bf has it and sometimes I just have no idea what's going through his mind! You know what I mean?

posted August 14, 2009 08:53 AM         

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I find it a fascinating position for Venus to be in... and also my bf has it and sometimes I just have no idea what's going through his mind! You know what I mean?

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I do know what you mean, however most times we don't even know whats going on in our own heads... at least I don't. In my experience of having 12th house energy, a Pisces moon & Neptune on my ascendant it really does take me some time to pull out whats truly my emotions and thoughts from what is going on around me. Its improving everyday, however I find that I like to mull over things before I just blurt them out. It can appear very left field, but its actually a thought or an observation we've been making for long time.

Its very easy to daydream and "get lost" in our fantasies and I know that I have to re assimilate to reality before sharing my ideas or thoughts.

I think there's also this desire to live out our ideals romantically, to be able to provide our partners with everything, and when we cannot we have to again, snap back to reality and do our best to work within its constraints, which can frustrating & depressing. I find myself to be internally very romantic & passionate but it does take me sometime to warm up to being that way with a new person. There's a level of shyness & not really wanting to be seen as strange and/or vulnerable. Once we open up though I think we're very thoughtful and tuned into what our partners exact needs are and can anticipate them or know what they are thinking/feeling and respond with service. I like to "serve" my partner by helping him, doing research, healing, counseling etc I think its a lovely way to show love. For example: right before we were supposed to meet up again for the first time, he got into a nasty car accident and hurt his back badly. I started doing research right away found the nearby acupuncturists, actually called them up and got all the information to get him treated. I did everything I could short of delivering him there myself. Or whenever his voice starts going out from working I have a list of remedies I give him to help. Thankfully he recognizes this as love. I even chose a healing profession (acupuncture)

posted August 14, 2009 11:41 PM         

I still can't quite wrap my head around it... but one day I was looking at his chart and discovered that his cuddly, sensitive, emotional CANCER STELLIUM is in the 12th! So... that explains why he only very rarely let's me see his true emotions... he himself is not even aware of them!! Well, let me tell you... to an Aries Venus this is quite foreign...

I think the whole "trying to do little things for your partner" thing is more your Pisces moon than anything else... because I am the same exact way!! I'm constantly thinking about what can I do for my partner... is he feeling ok? can I help him with something? Maybe I should write a little note that's wishing him a good day and leave it in his pocket... stuff like that...

Although the 12th house is very mysterious and unnecessarily confusing sometimes, I find that I tend to attract 12th house people into my life. This may be because I have such a Neptunian influence, and since Pisces rules the 12th house, it creates an affinity between me and that person.

posted August 15, 2009 06:32 PM         

Yes, honestly, there is that "love of the chase" and (if things get boring, I may just bolt!) aspect. We crave excitement and passion, spontaneity and adventure... in whatever venture we embark on. Yes, we do fall in love fairly easily... but we don't fall out of love easily if the partner can manage to hold our attention. This does not necessarily mean that he/she has to be a one-man circus act. It could just mean that they challenge us in some way... Many people with this placement (including myself) are attracted to complicated, somewhat dramatic relationships... that constant-struggle-and challenge-and-just-when-you-think-everything-is-PERFECT-there's-another-obstacle-that-you-have-to-beat dynamic, is somehow very intriguing and satisfying for us... (crazy I know), but that's the truth. We're very idealistic, VERY DIRECT, sometimes aggressive about getting what we want, a tad selfish sometimes (I admit it) and love for us is all-consuming, all or nothing. When in a relationship with someone with this placement, sometimes those "bad" aspects that you condemn so, could actually help you keep fueling that flame A lot of passion can be more appealing to us than something that is stable, safe, and (God forbid) routine. Of course this is just one aspect in a chart though.

The Venus square Uranus in my chart of course strengthens the erratic quality of this placement. What's most frustrating and confusing about the whole thing is my incredibly contradictory duality. On the one hand, I have a sensitive, romantic, emotional, Pisces Moon (which I'm sure you can relate to) while on the other, I have a free-spirited, aggressive, independent, "live-in-the-moment" Aries Venus. Ugh! It makes it virtually impossible for any partner to satisfy me or meet my high, high expectations unless they also have similar contradictory placements.-Makes for a very high-maintenance person... It's constantly an inner struggle... A War of The Worlds if you will...