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Topic: when disgruntled - how are you won over?
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blue moon Knowflake Posts: 611 From: U.K Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 14, 2009 04:29 AM
Your friends go out and don't ask you. You aren't consulted over a work project. Someone hands over your project to someone else without asking you when you are on sick leave. You are annoyed by thoughtless behaviour and don't feel like doing anything for the social circle who offended you, but one of them seeks your help. How can they win you over? Do Leos really like flattery? Cancerians seem to like heartfelt apologies. etc,
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Deux*Antares Knowflake Posts: 408 From: No Permanent Address Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 14, 2009 08:14 AM
I don't care much about going out so I would not feel hurt over that thing. But if this is a new "phenomenon" in an old circle I would be curious about the shift. I would ask why I was not informed about the project being transfered to other people. Was it because of my incompetence (very unlikely) or just my absence? If the change was for the best (I doubt it) I would be ok with it. As a Scorpio I would feel betrayed and would express my sentiments in the most diplomatic way possible (thanks to Libra placements) to make sure it won't happen again. But I would think twice about touching the project again if it has been "contaminated" while I was away. If I'm the only one who can do troubleshooting I would extend help but I'd make sure they realize they had done something stupid by not consulting me. I don't need dramatic apologies or any showy acts of repentance whatever. I need them to show me that they trust me and respect my competence not with their words but with their actions and "energy". IP: Logged |
GypseeWind Knowflake Posts: 1028 From: Dayton,Ohio USA Registered: May 2009
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posted August 14, 2009 12:21 PM
Well I know for a Sag, we want the TRUTH. Ex. I worked this benefit for this girl that was murdered a few months ago. The owner of the bar said it would be like my "audition" for a job. I knew I did a great job, they even had me be the representative for the event on tv! All the regular patrons asked me when I would be working there and said they couldn't wait, blah blah blah The owner said to call her the next week. I did, she said she was just too tired from the benefit to go through training a new person at the time. I called her a week later, she wasn't available to come to the phone, and on and on. It hurt my feelings because I felt that she used me for an extra body at the benefit (I worked it for free, donated to the fund for the murdered girls children). Finally, it bugged me soo much I drove down there at closing time and asked her what the heck gives. She actually broke down in tears and said the business was doing so bad that she had to let a long time employee go, and the hours she was to give me, she had to take on herself because she couldnt afford to pay someone else. I am a completely understanding and rational woman, why couldn't she just tell me that from the get go? Anyway, I'm not mad at her, it's all fine now, I was never mad, just confused. Sorry for rambling, that was just a really interesting question.IP: Logged |
Coffee Knowflake Posts: 705 From: Leeds Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 14, 2009 12:32 PM
No-one would win Me over. I can be forgiving, if the person is decent and known them a long time. I would do my own thing away from others which helped contribute to the disgruntled bit.IP: Logged |
comica23 Knowflake Posts: 422 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 14, 2009 02:49 PM
I will try to know how this person felt behind this situation. Then based on that, to determine how much I'm going to help him/her. As long as this person is not being too selfish or taking me as a fool, normally I'm fine to help. Coz I believe in winning an ally being better than winning an enemy. :P Yes, behind my Pisces DC lies my stellium in the 8th house~~IP: Logged |
Máni Knowflake Posts: 4 From: Registered: Jul 2009
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posted August 14, 2009 03:02 PM
Well, I cant actually forgive. Not really. I let go, because I hate not being in good terms with people I like after a while so I finally give in and act as if nothing happened. As time goes by though, people will continue to let you down in similar ways and then you realise that you never forgave them the first time. I think I come out as very easy to get along with, very agreeable (my pisces moon I think), but deep down, it's impossible to please me and my scorpionic nature.IP: Logged |
amowls* Knowflake Posts: 517 From: richmond va Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 14, 2009 04:13 PM
I'm easy as hell to win over. I'm such a push over.IP: Logged |
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 1271 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 14, 2009 04:30 PM
speaking as a leo, i detest flattery. however i usually win myself over by investigating my own thoughts about the whole thing and realizing that it probably was not meant as an affront and people might have reasons that are nothing to do with me!IP: Logged |
AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 1097 From: acousticgod@sbcglobal.net Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 14, 2009 04:36 PM
I think the easiest way to win me away from my discontent of a situation is to acknowledge my thoughts on the situation, or hear me out.IP: Logged |
Unmoved Moderator Posts: 542 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted August 14, 2009 07:20 PM
Sun Virgo Moon Cancer AC ScorpioI can't be won over. Whether I choose to carry on socializing, working, and being with people is totally and solely because I choose to over-look what was done. People may think that they have won me over, but that's not entirely accurate. The thing is that I am patient with people, generally. I will let people say and do things that are hurtful to me, without taking them personally for a very long time before I feel disgruntled. I understand that people can have bad days, or bad periods and such, and that people can be selfish, greedy, and superficial etc. I understand a lot of evil in humans because although I don't usually express my evil side, I have it, and I am constantly trying to stifle it- especially when I am disgruntled; so I let a lot slide. Once I have decided that I am actually taking something personally by being disgruntled, there is no way of ever changing my mind (or at least I have never changed my mind thus far). If a person hurts me, offends me, or acts in a way that is unacceptable to me, I will take some time out and be quiet. The silence is not a sign of being disgruntled, but it merely says that the jury is still out on that person. I can be incredibly hurtful and what a person dishes out to me I can usually dish it back out tenfold, and I know this weakness about me and so silence is a means to calm myself down because I do not want to hurt others, even though I can do it well because my sensitivity also means that I can easily tap into people's weaknesses so I usually know what hurts a person. So, I keep quiet, calm myself down, and try to be loving (say mantras like, "she is not horrible, she is just hurting" and such until it sinks in) because when I don't get silent, I shamefully get worse than the people who angered me. This makes me feel bad, so I try by all means to never do it. Fortunately, I have plenty of self-control so I seldom retaliate. When the jury returns and it is clear that your actions have left me disgruntled and slighted, I then speak. I tell you what I feel and what you have done to my knowledge. I like it to be out in the open when things are sour, so that we don't waste energy pretending to be nice, hence if I don't like you, you probably know I don't, just as I usually emancipate people from pretending to be nice to me by just telling them that it's okay that they don't like me because I honestly believe that I am difficult to like. At that stage, when it is definite that I am disgruntled, there is no turning back. I remain so until I forget your existence. If I have to see you daily, not giving me the opportunity to forget you, I change my perception of you and make it fun for me by making you my personal joke. Yes, shameful but true. IP: Logged |
Benedict Moon* Knowflake Posts: 245 From: formerly Dulce Luna Registered: May 2009
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posted August 14, 2009 09:55 PM
They can either grovel or work out a 'you do something for me, I do something for you' deal but I doubt I would do anything out of the kindness of my heart. The last part sounds kind of opportunistic but what the heck? I feel if I'm slighted like that and they still have the nerve to be asking me for some sh#t they must not value me that much to begin with. Cancer sun/Virgo Moon/Cap Asc. IP: Logged |
downtomars Knowflake Posts: 372 From: NY Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 14, 2009 10:13 PM
I don’t really get disgruntled. I forgive easily, but I don’t forget. Once bitten twice shy as they say but just give me a day and all is forgiven about whatever… I say it all of the time, people are just people (“…only human, of flesh and blood…”, yes, I am quoting Human League, they were awesome!), stick and stones and all of that. I am understanding and I always try to put myself in someone else’s shoes. I can forgive a breach in loyalty, but I will never forget and I turn into a very logical person about it. For example, I’ll forgive you for cheating but we are never going out again, why should we? You obviously want to date other people – that is the logic part. Or, you are talking crap about me, okay, I forgive you but we can never be friends again, why should we? You obviously don’t know how to be a friend. That type of thing. Leo Sun/Libra Moon/Aquarius AC
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ohhgwenn Knowflake Posts: 14 From: VA USA Registered: Jul 2009
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posted August 17, 2009 02:30 AM
I have Sun, Venus, Mercury in Aries... and after a couple of days it's just too boring staying mad. It's terrible because initially I am so hurt and angry after a slight, and I tell myself "eff that! Never will I even turn my head and acknowledge those people again!" But in a couple of days..... I'm just ready to party again! My libra moon tells me that I never know what was going on in the other person's head, and maybe there is a perfectly justifiable reason why I was left out... better to forgive and forget and have good times IP: Logged |
MsCandeh Knowflake Posts: 111 From: Australia Registered: Jul 2009
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posted August 17, 2009 03:10 AM
To really win me over, all that is needed is a sincere apology or explanation. Making me laugh is a good way to get me out of my disgruntled mood. I love laughing. If someone is trying to cheer me up they have realised they have offended/hurt me, and I see this as a way of saying sorry. I am pretty forgiving normally.Sun Taurus/Moon Libra/Rising Aquarius ETA: downtomars... I am the same as you when it comes to a breach in loyalty. Though I am much more forgiving of friends, than partners who have betrayed me. There is only one friend who I have cut out completely and that was a couple of years ago when she interefered in my r/ship, even after I had told her nicely to butt out a few times and she didn't - totally unforgiveable! It was hard as we had been friends for 10 years... but the line had been crossed. She had also intefered in our other friend's relationship too, and that was another reason for saying bye.. our whole group of friends cut her out. She was manipulative, and I was one of the last ones who gave her benefit of the doubt (very forgiving, always seeing two sides of the coin!) until she started manipulating my r/ship too, then I realised she had manipulated me regarding her story with my friends r/ship and then mine. I woke up to it and cut her off. Takes me a while cos I try to see the good in ppl I guess IP: Logged |
aerialcircus Knowflake Posts: 243 From: Western Massachusetts, US Registered: May 2009
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posted August 17, 2009 08:09 AM
Betrayal changes the dynamic of any relationship, even when it's slight. No one looks at anyone the same way afterward. The only way to circumvent disgruntle-ness and grudge-holding is total honesty for me. If you come to me and apologize, admit where you were at fault, explain to me the sincere reasons why you did what you did, etc, I'm much more able to let it all fall by the wayside. Being completely honest, even when it's hard or awkward, is a sign of respect to me-- and it's what I offer, readily and totally, when I'm the one who screws up. It's the squirrely, underhanded, continuous liars and excuse makers without any cojones that REALLY chafe my nerves. That can sometimes be grounds enough for me to discontinue the friendship or relationship.Gemini Asc/Aries Sun/Capricorn Moon IP: Logged |
meta_4 Knowflake Posts: 272 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 17, 2009 10:16 AM
Give me a firm pat on the bum, and we'll be peachy keen. IP: Logged |
Taurean_Scorpion Knowflake Posts: 70 From: Santa Monica, CA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 17, 2009 12:11 PM
An explanation, sincerity, and an apologize. From a lover? A good reason and a hug. I also detest false flattery or flattery just to make me feel better in those circumstances... My lover would do that and I specifically told him to stop because it's insincere and I could see right through it. I would feel worse.IP: Logged | |