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Topic: Chart ruler
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milyi Knowflake Posts: 43 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 17, 2009 06:05 AM
How do you determine the chart's ruler? I have found two theories: it is either the planet ruling the ascendant or the most elevated plannet in the chart. In my case the ruler of the ascendant is Saturn and the most elevated planet is Jupiter. In the Pullen chart delineation both planets have high scores, Jupiter ranking first, Saturn second. They can't corule because their natures are incompatible. What do you think, which is the chart ruler? IP: Logged |
letram Knowflake Posts: 127 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 17, 2009 06:56 AM
i have wondered this too..what is the significance of a chart ruler, what does it mean? IP: Logged |
Lara Knowflake Posts: 1280 From: aspideronmars Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 17, 2009 07:14 AM
I say saturn because its AC ruler and its at the top of your chart, but i don't know much about chart rulers IP: Logged |
milyi Knowflake Posts: 43 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 17, 2009 07:28 AM
Well apparently the chart ruler is the most influential planet in the chart, it is the governing planet of the nativity , it influences personality, some say even destiny, it literally rules the chart.IP: Logged |
Unmoved Moderator Posts: 548 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted August 17, 2009 07:42 AM
I'd agree with Lara, edit: AC ruler. In your chart it is less evident than it is in my chart, so I am not surprised that you say that the Pullen chart said it was close.The significance of the chart ruler is found where it is placed in your chart, which tells us "HOW" your ASC behaves within the context of the AC - which is how two people of the same ASC can differ, due to the chart ruler's position and aspects. E.g. Your chart ruler, Saturn is in close conjunction with Pluto on the 9th house. So, I would look at: 1. Saturn conj Pluto (Intensifies Saturn) 2. Saturn in Jupiter's natural house. (makes your Saturn more Jupiter-like) 3. Saturn in a Venus ruled house. (Makes Saturn more Venus like) ***Planets that disposit/or disposited by Saturn also tells us the "strength" of your Saturn AC. (even if the Pullen chart has likely considered all these things in their rankings.) I also notice that both Saturn and Jupiter are dignified (Jupiter in it's own territory in Sag and Saturn is exalted in Libra), so with Saturn also being your AC, I'd choose Saturn as your chart ruler. edit: you see... in the Pullen chart, there are sign rankings which are different from planet rankings, so look at both. Does it say Sagittarius is number 1 along with Jupiter?
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milyi Knowflake Posts: 43 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 17, 2009 07:50 AM
No, no, say it isn't so! Just kidding. Well I guess I knew it somehow. Anyways the midpoint of Saturn and Jupiter is exactly on the midheaven, those two are toying with my life. Thank you for your replies. IP: Logged |
milyi Knowflake Posts: 43 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 17, 2009 07:53 AM
Yes, Sagittarius first, Libra second.Oh, and some other site , Clairvision I think, also gives Jupiter as ruler, because it is also ruler of the hour or something. IP: Logged |
aerialcircus Knowflake Posts: 244 From: Western Massachusetts, US Registered: May 2009
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posted August 17, 2009 07:58 AM
milyi, Saturn as a chart ruler is nothing to be discouraged about! My favorite, closest girl friend is Saturn ruled (Cap Rising, Saturn in the 9th conjunct Pluto, like you!) and she is by far one of the most prime humans I've ever had the pleasure of acquainting.IP: Logged |
milyi Knowflake Posts: 43 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 17, 2009 08:00 AM
And it aspects the moon (which rules Cancer , which I am) and Saturn doesn't.I'm ranting, that definetly is a Sagittarian influence! IP: Logged |
milyi Knowflake Posts: 43 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 17, 2009 08:02 AM
aerialcircus, you're just being nice! The problem is Saturn squares my Sun, and that is kind of hard. IP: Logged |
aerialcircus Knowflake Posts: 244 From: Western Massachusetts, US Registered: May 2009
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posted August 17, 2009 08:16 AM
I hear you, girl; my own Ascendant (Gemini) is directly square my Venus (Pisces) and my chart ruler (Mercury) is a fixed sign in my 12th house. It's not exactly.... sunshiney, but I feel pretty good!IP: Logged |
matt Knowflake Posts: 4 From: Registered: Jul 2009
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posted August 17, 2009 10:07 AM
my ascendant is in sag and jupiter is conjunct my asc in the first house, so i would have thought that would make me very sag.i have just looked now to see what the pullen chart would say about my chart ruler and it says that its PLUTO!!? what! i have put all my details in correct aswel. it says that pluto is first followed by mars. wierd. IP: Logged |
AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 1141 From: acousticgod@sbcglobal.net Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 17, 2009 10:17 AM
Pluto having the highest ranking wouldn't make it a chart ruler. The chart ruler is always the planet ruling the ascendant.IP: Logged |
matt Knowflake Posts: 4 From: Registered: Jul 2009
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posted August 17, 2009 10:29 AM
cheers, so whats the significance of the planet that ranks the highest?IP: Logged |
librarising Knowflake Posts: 55 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted August 17, 2009 10:41 AM
We share the same wonderful birthday (7/15)!I am not too sure about chart rulers but what unmoved wrote seems right. My sign rankings are Cancer, Sagittarius, Aries...planets Moon, Jupiter, Pluto... My Sun, Venus, Mercury, and Chiron are in the ninth house. I just think it's cool that we have similar influences. I think will do a composite of our birthdates.IP: Logged |
Unmoved Moderator Posts: 548 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted August 17, 2009 11:00 AM
matt~I think that... The highly ranked planets and signs in the Pullen chart are usually the ones who are enhanced or it is signs and planets that are true (or more) to who they are naturally. We all have the same planets in a chart, but others behave as their archetypes describe, while others are intensified or weakened. This is calculated by: -House position (Benefic/Malefic houses) -Aspects (aspected by Benefics/Malefics etc.) -Dignities and debilities (by house, angle or sign) -Dispositors The chart ruler is a planet, and thus can be enhanced or weakened (so to speak)like any other planet but it always remains as the chart ruler; and what makes the chart ruler special is that it is the ruler of the AC which enhances that planet always, but the extent of the enhancement depends on other factors also. This doesn't mean that the chart ruler is the most powerful planet though, but it get's stronger than it would have been usually by being ruler of AC. edit: I kept on calling the chart ruler the "house" ruler. It's edited now. IP: Logged |
Glaucus Knowflake Posts: 1048 From: Sacramento,California Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 17, 2009 11:39 AM
Chart ruler is the ruler of the AscendantI have Virgo Ascendant, and so Mercury is my chart ruler (I don't accept Chiron as ruler because it's not a planet..it's one of over 40 Centaurs.....I thought about asteroid dwarf planet,Ceres as ruler of Virgo) is in Scorpio in 3rd house conjuncts/parallels Venus - fits with emphasis on harmony,....might account as reputation for a pretty boy in the past...I am the son of a former cosmetologist parallels Neptune - fits with idealistic,sensitive persona, hard to pinned down looks contraparallels Saturn - fits with serious,reserved persona it squares dwarf planet/plutoid Makemake - might fit with otherwordly like persona, also with some people thinking that I look like a pacific islander conjuncts Sun/Neptune midpoint, and so could add to the idealistic,sensitive persona,hard to pinned down looks theme of my parallel Neptune opposes/conjuncts heliocentric Mercury Nodes - maximum effectiveness....very Mercurial,youthful personality opposes/conjuncts heliocentric Mars Nodes - passionate,impulsive personality Raymond
------------------ “It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status. In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War. “She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them think their opinions are right and everyone else’s is wrong,” Dr. Brown said. “It really is just perfect.” http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/15/science/space/15xena.html?_r=1 IP: Logged |
Nine Knowflake Posts: 127 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted August 17, 2009 02:17 PM
Yes, the chart ruler is the planet ruling the Asc.But from this chart, I'd say Venus is the most influential planet. 1. Born on the 15th...Venus 2. Asc ruler in Libra...Venus 3. MC ruler in Libra...Venus IP: Logged |
milyi Knowflake Posts: 43 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 18, 2009 12:33 AM
Nine interesting, Pullen gives Venus as the third most influential planet in my chart. I was kind of surprised since it is debilitated by sign and by house.IP: Logged |
milyi Knowflake Posts: 43 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 18, 2009 12:54 AM
This image is a total mystery to me. IP: Logged |
Lonake Knowflake Posts: 348 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 18, 2009 01:42 AM
pay attention to the encircled planets, as they would gain strength being dispositors of other planets. ex: mercury in cancer --> dispositor is moon, as the moon rules cancer. moon in aquarius --> dispositor is uranus, as uranus rules aquarius. uranus in aquarius --> in its home sign so this particular chain would stop. this is part of the reason classical astrologers really liked to see planets in their signs of rulership, it gave more of a chance for the chain to keep leading to the same planet and for that planet to give the chart strength of purpose, in addition to it being its own dispositor. planets in mutual reception, and there only being one mutual reception in the chart, tends to lead to those 2 planets being the focal points (encircled). ex: venus in capricorn and saturn in libra, a mutual reception since it is as if each sign is visiting the home of the other signs ruler, venus ruling libra and saturn ruling capricorn. even if a square exists (by sign energy alone or actual aspect) the mutual reception lessens the aspect's innate tendency to stress. there are more "tools" to work with it since similar dynamics are at play in both placements = energies of venus combining with energies of saturn. saturn being exalted in libra would further offset the tension of the square, and both these factors combined would virtually (not completely) eliminate tension and the square could easily be felt as a sextile: not completely at ease [such as with a trine] but with a little work can be running smoothly in no time. back to dispositors: it's a chain reaction and what you can get by looking at the graphics is which planet or planets are setting off the chain reaction [the ones higher up the ladder] and these tend to hold more sway, and to give you a different overall insight into key chart dynamics, similar to a chart ruler and it's placement/aspects, or delineating a major configuration such as a t-square, grand cross, kite, yod etc, stelliums, singletons, dramatic hemisphere emphasis, etc. looking at these dynamics helps to get a foothold in beginning chart interpretation, since what you want to search for is anything that stands out to give you an overall view - it helps with getting your feet "wet" in the vast pool of the energies in the chart. IP: Logged |
milyi Knowflake Posts: 43 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 18, 2009 01:50 AM
Thank you Lonake . IP: Logged |
Lonake Knowflake Posts: 348 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 18, 2009 02:05 AM
the arrows connecting the 2 encircled planets in the house dispositor chart with jupiter and saturn stands for a mutual reception, by house. meaning saturn is located in a jupiter house (9th typically, or classically could be the 12th) and that jupiter is located in a saturn house (10th typically, or classically could be the 11th). this is not pertaining to the sign on the cusp of the house, but to what sign they represent in a classic chart with saturn corresponding to the 10th(11th) and jupiter corresponding to the 9th (12th).neptune alone encircled in black means that it's in its home house, typically the 12th, classically the 9th, depending on your preference. most modern astrologers would go with the modern associations, and still would call scorpio as being ruled by pluto even though pluto is no longer a "planet." IP: Logged |
Seeing Stars 7.21 Knowflake Posts: 79 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 18, 2009 02:10 AM
Milyi.I have the same sun moon combo as you, but I know someone who has the sam sun moon and asc as you and at times I really cant stand this person like theres something that binds us.. but we are really nothing alike. and she can just be very messed up at times. Im thinking you might be different from her cause she has the capricorn asc but she has saturn uranus and neptune in cap. and I see you instead have 3 planets in sagitarius as well as 3 in Libra.. are you more openminded and carefree.. cause I have considerable more sag influence myself. IP: Logged |
bopbop Knowflake Posts: 160 From: USA Registered: Jun 2009
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posted August 18, 2009 05:55 AM
how did you get that depositor chart, milyi?I wondered if anyone else identifies with their chart ruler? I remember before I knew about chart rulers (way back in the age of old) I was disappointed that my sun was in cancer because I always had a strong affection for the greek god hermes, and never cared for moon things. When I found out Mercury was my chart ruler (Gemini asc) I had to give astrology some more credit. Though Mercury is emphasized in my chart in general, being in the 3rd house, conjunct sun and psyche, opp moon, square pluto, trine saturn and jupiter and juno, and sextile ascendant... with Venus in Virgo which is also ruled by Mercury. So it's hard to tell... how do you guys feel about your chart rulers? IP: Logged |