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venus in gemini
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posted August 23, 2009 11:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for venus in gemini     Edit/Delete Message
Hey guys,
I have been researching ego death, and am really curious now about the transits that trigger this? If you have already experienced it, what triggered it for you? Or if someone you love has gone through it, can you check on their transits?

Pluto is transiting my 1st house. I think mine actually started when Pluto crossed over my Ascendant and squared my IC and MC and of course, opposed my DSC. It just broke everything down and took it away. Absolutely everything in my life. Who I was, how I lived my life, who I loved, my family. My entire structure. Transiting Pluto conjunct Saturn, and also transiting Saturn conjunct my Moon...I wanted to die. Literally, physically...die. I just didn't want to live anymore. But I read somewhere that before your cup can be filled with something new and wonderful, something better for you, that the cup has to be emptied first. So that is how I look at it now, that my cup had to be emptied.

Small bits of the info I have pulled together:

Ego death is only a death to the extent that the heart becomes the master and the mind, as well as the ego, becomes the servant on the journey to fully embrace yourself. (Allen L Roland)

The ego is a projection of what we feel we have to be versus who we really are and, like a protective cocoon, it is meant to be shed once we fully open our heart and discover not only our true self but our part in an evolving loving plan.

Thus, the heart transcends the ego and the ego is no longer needed ~ for heart felt inner validation has replaced the ego's constant need for outer validation.

Patriarchal rule of the ego over the body, mind and soul is the main problem that faces each of us individuals and collectively. In alchemical terms the red King must be boiled and dissolved in the great vessel-womb (regressed as the neurons dissolve themselves) in order for the "wounded King" to be transformed into the Universal or Sacred King. This is the main principle of all alchemical treatices that refer to human transmutation.

According to the Tao, the greater the King, the harder the fall because there is more a substantially strong tenacity to the brain and sense of self, so there is a need for a stronger force to "perturb" that stability in order for the ego-death and rebirth to occur. A lesser man would not have had to go through such an ordeal because it doesn't take such force to reduce his brain to zero-point. That is to dissolve it down in the great vessel-womb of the void.

“Ego-death does not mean the disintegration of the healthy ego, the ego we need in order to function in daily life. What dies in this process is the part of us that holds on to the illusion of control, the part of us that thinks we are running the show, that we are in charge. What disintegrates is the false identity that operates as though we are the center of the universe.” (Christina Grof)

Anyone else like to share the transits that either woke you up to enlightenment, or precipitated your own ego death?


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VirgOh
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posted August 23, 2009 11:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for VirgOh     Edit/Delete Message
A bad breakup coupled with tons of xtc pills

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neptuneinfirst
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posted August 23, 2009 11:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for neptuneinfirst     Edit/Delete Message
venus in gemini. I have gone through the same as you, Pluto transiting over my ascendant in the last five years, it is now in my first house, approaching my Venus. I think that the Sun represents the Ego state, and very much in Vedic astrology too. Where is your Sun placed natally and in which sign?

You might like to read the thread I posted 'Planets in the early degrees of Capricorn / Cardinal signs?'

I have to say, I think that Pluto transits in negative aspect to personal planets are ego transforming, especially through the 1st, 4th, 8th and 12th houses.

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venus in gemini
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posted August 23, 2009 12:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for venus in gemini     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Neptuneinfirst,
Yes, I am just now reading your thread...lots of good information!

My Sun is at 25.43 Cancer, 8th house, and my Pluto is 0.50 Virgo, 9th house. I am feeling Pluto's move into Capricorn big time....!

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posted August 23, 2009 12:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for neptuneinfirst     Edit/Delete Message
venus in gemini, I am interested to know how you feel Saturn's transit to your Moon manifested? Sounds horrible. Your Sun is natally almost to the degree opposite mine. I am not surprised at all with you having a 8th house Sun that you have felt Pluto this acutely. You must have Sagittarius rising too?

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katatonic
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posted August 23, 2009 12:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
i suspect that what you guys are calling pluto transiting the asc is the culmination of pluto passing through house 12...a time when elimination of subconscious garbage is the key concept...as it goes through your first it should probably continue the process but as you suggested, the cup has been emptied and now it is about filling it, so the momentum will be more forward and positive in feel!

i experienced a similar passage when uranus/neptune passed through my 12th at the same time that pluto was squaring my sun. i tend to think that pluto in hard aspect to the sun is typically ego-testing time, as frequently are saturn/sun transits...

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posted August 23, 2009 01:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dolphin07     Edit/Delete Message
pluto is transiting my descendant and I feel like it is an ego death.

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Glaucus
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posted August 23, 2009 02:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
I believe that the big transneptunians in general figure into that stuff.
They are evolutionary intensified objects.


Eris,Pluto,Makemake,Haumea are the largest transneptunians in that order,and they would be the main evolutionary intensified objects. They are dwarf planets.


Sedna,Orcus,Quaoar,Varuna,Ixion are big transneptunians, and they are dwarf planet candidates.

The 1992 discovery of the kuiper belt in complicates the mainstream astrological system because it doesn't fit the idea of mainstream astrology just like the discovery of the outerplanets doesn't fit the idea of Vedic Astrology.


I think Sedna is very powerful astrological influence because of its extremely outerplanet like energy. After all, it's the most distant object from the Sun when it is at its most distant. It has the slowest orbit of any object in our solar system.

Pluto is a powerful astrological influence because it orbited beyond Neptune. It's orbit was slower than Neptune.


It was so simple when Pluto was the only transneptunian. Therefore, it was the most distant object in our solar system. It had the slowest orbit.
That was the key to its great power...as the transformer.

With the discovery of the kuiper belt, the whole idea of "the more outer the object, the more powerful it is" gets complicated
because there are many small transneptunian objects. There are thousands of them. Astrologers argued that Pluto was very powerful even though it was much smaller than the planets,and so size was irrelevant to the astrological influence in Astrology.

For over 60 years,Pluto was the only transneptunian discovered,and so it was associated with transformation and destructiveness.

But the other transneptunians can also be about transformation and destructiveness.

They can be just as profound as Pluto...even more so.........especially Sedna with its very Neptune-like nature but more otherworldly and remote when you consider not only the myth but also the astronomical,orbital features.


Raymond


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“It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status.

In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.

“She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them think their opinions are right and everyone else’s is wrong,” Dr. Brown said. “It really is just perfect.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/15/science/space/15xena.html?_r=1

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DiandraReborn25
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posted August 23, 2009 02:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DiandraReborn25     Edit/Delete Message
thsi thread is awesome

cause some months ago i started to develop my spirituality.

i red the secret but it was just too...general.

i passd onto Conversations with God.

i am now reading Eckart Tolle ( fantastic!!!)and also Florence Scovel the game of life.

they all talk about Ego death.

i finally understood.and i am finally starting a new road to me.

it is not fast nor easy though...

you can see my transits on the thread i made for when/will find the right job.

pluto is approaching my IC ( transformations of the Self)

SATURN is transiting my 12H

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posted August 23, 2009 03:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
For me, my maternal grandfather's suicide was a gate opener for me in regards to spirituality,metaphysics,Astrology.

That occured on January 26, 1998


Pluto's fellow transneptunians figured into a big way. They were the transformers in my life.


Transiting Makemake in 13'59 Virgo R in my 1st
conjunct/oppose my Ascendant in 13'27 Virgo/Pisces

Transiting Ixion in 2'58 Sagittarius in my 3rd
oppose Varuna in 3'01 Gemini R in 9th
square Moon in 3'11 Pisces in 6th
(T-Square Transit)

Transiting Varuna in 5'34 Cancer R in my 10th
trine my Sun in 5'20 Scorpio in 2nd
trine my Ixion in 5'25 Scorpio in 2nd
(Conjuncted Trine Transit)

(as you see, transiting Ixion was aspecting my Moon-Varuna aspect and transiting Varuna was aspecting my Sun-Ixion.......so I had a double whammy transits involving Ixion and Varuna. That is very significant.

Transiting Orcus in 19'04 Leo R in my 12th
square my chart ruler Mercury in 18'21 Scorpio in 3rd

Transiting Pluto in 7'31 Sagittarius in my 3rd
conjunct my Jupiter in 8'17 Sagittarius in 3rd

Transiting Eris in 18'09 Aries in my 8th
quincunx my Mercury in 18'21 Scorpio in 2nd
semisquare my Moon in 3'11 Pisces in 6th - '01
semisquare my Varuna in 3'01 Gemini R in 9th - '11
(Transiting Eris in 8th harmonic triangle transit to my Moon square Varuna)

Transiting Haumea in 5'32 Libra R in my 1st
trine my Saturn in 5'08 Gemini in 9th
semisextile my Sun in 5'20 Scorpio in 2nd
semisextile my Ixion in 5'25 Scorpio in 2nd

Transiting Quaoar in 5'51 Sagittarius in my 3rd
oppose my Saturn in 5'08 Gemini R in 9th
semisextile my Sun in 5'20 Scorpio in 2nd
semisextile my Ixion in 5'25 Scorpio in 2nd


Transiting Sedna in 14'10 Taurus Stationary in my 9th
square my Ceres in 13'57 Leo in 11th/12th
square my Vertex/Antivertex in 14'58 Aquarius/Leo in 5th and 11th


Transiting Sedna was stationary on that day, and so the Sedna energy was strong during that time. It was in my 9th house of belief systems,religion,philosophy. I just found this out today too. It makes a whole lot of sense. After all my grandfather's suicide was devastating to me,and it led me to transforming my spiritual views.


Transiting Pluto wasn't aspecting any personal planets in my chart. It did conjunct my 4th/7th house ruler Jupiter. It seemed that the other transneptunians were in more profound aspects to my chart, and so they were the main transformers. They were evolutionary intensifed objects for me at the time of my grandfather's death.


Raymond

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“It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status.

In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.

“She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them think their opinions are right and everyone else’s is wrong,” Dr. Brown said. “It really is just perfect.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/15/science/space/15xena.html?_r=1

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posted August 23, 2009 05:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Alvarella777     Edit/Delete Message
I experienced the bigbig (looong) Pluto-transit through my 1st house between 2003 and 2008 ... The earth beneath my feet was shaking several times, often I felt like I had lost control - especially since transiting Pluto was sitting on my 1st-house-Moon for a while, after it had passed my Ascendant. BUT: Looking back, it was rather a great support, made me much stronger and - believe it or not - calmer. I am more aware of my vulnearbilities now - and so less vulnerable. (Does that make sense?) Also, I re-invented myself at least two times during this phase, two major moves (to different towns) included, major changes in my professional life - and unfortunately not so nice, but very intense experiences I made in the love department. I feel ... quite well prepared for "adult life" now! ;-)

"Ego-loss": A classical aspect would be transiting Neptune opposing your natal Sun (maybe a square works in a similar way?). Neptune is also a slow mover, just like Pluto, so this transit lasts for a while, up to two years probably, if it "hits" you. Strangely enough, I am very close to several Leos in my family, friends' circles and with some (ex-)boyfriends ... so I can witness what is currently going on with these folks while Tr. Neptune in Aqua is opposing their Suns. A "vague" and undecisive feeling would be the least, to describe it.

I went through tr. Neptune opposing my (Cancer-)Sun in 1994/95 - and it really, really cost me some nerves. All was soooo exhausting for me, and my personal (love) life went through a tough crisis, deceit included ... Actually, the worst time in my adult life that I can remember, these 2 years. (I was in the middle of my 20s then).

Latest mean experience that bordered on "ego loss" was while tr. Chiron was squaring my natal Saturn. Due to Chiron's forward- and retro-movement, this will hit me again (for the last time) this autumn, but not for long ... I felt badly betrayed while this transiting aspect was on - and am STILL not sure whether that feeling of betrayal was justified ... or just a dark fantasy of my own ...

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