posted August 24, 2009 09:14 PM         

BUT I think a lot of people want to have their cake and eat it to when it comes to synastry, in the sense that they want to assert that astrology is predictive/meaningful/accurate while disavowing its fatalism--synastry is not SUPPOSED to work only when it's "activated"--synastry is supposed to show what WILL be activated in two people's interaction. Astrology is inherently fatalistic, at least to some extent...that is part of why I'm deeply skeptical about it. I don't think you can say, "A tight Sun-Venus conjunction will mean the two people like each other...OH, except if both people don't like each other." I think I agree with Got Gemini actually...I think that life factors and sometimes chemistry not revealed in the charts shape how or whether synastry is felt...I have debated with DD about this in the past. Because if I'm right, then synastry is a lame and half-assed tool indeed...if DD is right, it's much more useful and less disappointing.

That said--the strongest attraction aspects, in my opinion:

FOR ROMANCE, CONNECTEDNESS, WANTING A RELATIONSHIP
-tight angle-to-angle, planet-to-angle, or node-to-angle conjunctions
-Tight conjunctions between the Sun or Moon and Sun, Moon, Venus
-Tight Sun-Sun, Sun-Moon, or Moon-Moon trines, oppositions, or sextiles
-asteroid Union tightly conjunct a personal planet, node, or angle, especially in double-whammy

FOR LONGTERM
-ALL OF THE ABOVE, plus lots of nicely balanced mutual Saturn aspects

FOR HOT SEXUAL CHEMISTRY
-Pluto tightly aspecting Venus, especially in a double-whammy
-Mars-Venus
-Tight conjunctions of "Love Asteroids" to planets and angles
-aspects that trigger/connect to the natal in interesting ways--for example, if I have a funnel chart with all my planets "pouring" into Jupiter, than I might have a heightened level of attraction to people who trigger my Jupiter...if Saturn is my chart ruler and tightly aspecting most of my planets, someone I have seemingly great synastry with but no Saturn contacts might leave me cold

posted August 24, 2009 10:33 PM         

You need an Sec progress or SA progress from planets to your natal.
Sec progress to natal or and to the other individual natal
sec progress to sec progress to our self or to each other

its including aspect between son,moon,venus, mars, nept, pluto, asc
sometimes sat and uran
I like uranus as big strong attraction start in transit and also pluto

Transit to both natalchart are good

posted August 25, 2009 01:09 AM         

one surefire attraction aspect, that works across the board, i dont think there is one?...

edit: i think it's important to also look at natals to see what planet(s) is/are resonating for each person, how strong is it in their chart and what sort of association is the person making with that planet?

posted August 25, 2009 04:03 AM         

I also agree about the angles or rulers of the angles aspecting.

Also, I've found that first house stuff (or chart rulers, as AG mentioned) are hard to ignore as well.

But this stuff isn't guaranteed, IMO. It's speculation to an extent.

posted August 25, 2009 04:11 PM         

Raymond

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posted August 25, 2009 04:23 PM         

i always thought this was significant, this repeating pattern thing. it's all so nuanced and i totally agree that what factors into attraction is stuff like this; the stuff that actually draws on and plays off the stuff in a person's natal that affects them most. the rest (aspects in general) is just potentials and possibilities as far as i'm concerned. the stuff that holds weight is the stuff WE feel connected to as individuals, and how others bring attention and involvement into those areas of our lives.

posted August 25, 2009 05:09 PM         

In another relationship with one of my close friends, their chart ruler is Mars, and is conjunct my Mars. My chart ruler Mercury (we should make a club, Raymond ) is conjunct their Mercury (we were born close together, Mercury was retro in my chart, and just came out of retro when he was born).

Someone I also have an important relationship with, but never felt quite "stimulated" by, hardy aspects my Mercury at all. That actually explains a LOT.

With a person that I became friends with immediately and completely: her ascendant is conjunct my chart ruler with little other aspects to it, and my ascendant is sextile her chart ruler with little other aspects to it.

I just thought of something else... besides chart rulers, depositors could also be important. If a person has a final depositor of Mercury, for instance, aspects to their Mercury could be more important than traditional synastry aspects (which often neglect Mercury). Conversely, and so far in the synastry I've looked at, if a person is heavily influenced by the planet that is the final depositor of another person, that other person will probably be attracted to them (also, say that a person has a final depositor of mars. If another person's mars made a strong aspect to the depositor person, then that aspect could be a point of attraction). In the example above where the person was important but didn't make aspects to my chart ruler, their chart ruler is the same planet as one of my most important depositors, as well as having a stellium in the sign of the depositor. So that could be a key.

posted August 25, 2009 07:14 PM         

AG, they call it a final dispositor since if you went back to saturn in gemini the chain would start all over again and it would look like a very-very long root! a planet is full stop when it's in the sign that it rules, and it is its own root, so far thats what ive noticed, but i dont really pore over them in natals very often :/ final dispositors for the houses i have yet to pay attention to as well, but im sure they have their importance in natals thus synastry.

posted August 25, 2009 07:21 PM         

This is an interesting analogy:

"Dispositors: "In the chart you are trying to figure out which planets are collecting the most rent," Mohan said. Knowing the amount of rent collected allows you to arrange the planets in order importance. There are three principal landlord-tenant arrangements.

First is the 'final depositor'. Mohan explained it this way, "When a planet is in a particular sign, if it happens to own or rule that sign, it will be the 'final dispositor' because it's paying rent to that sign, which goes into its own pocket." Here the planet is paying rent to itself.

Second is 'mutual reception'. "Here one planet is in another sign, and the ruler of that sign is in the sign ruled by the first planet," Mohan said. For example, Sun in Cancer and Moon in Leo.

They are both living in each other's signs. In this situation they pay rent to one another.

Third is 'ring of dispositors'. Mohan described this as follows. "(This occurs) when planet A is in another sign and the ruler of that sign is in another sign and you keep on going until the last sign goes back to the first." So cumulatively they form a consortium and they all share the rent. It's like owning a condominium. They all live at each other's place. An example would be, Venus in Gemini, Mercury in Cancer, Moon in Capricorn and Saturn in Taurus. This forms a ring of dispositors. This arrangement points to a chain of events. One thing leads to the next, and so on, because all the planets are connected through the ring."

From: http://www.azastrologers.org/Articles/KoparkarPredictive.PDF

posted August 25, 2009 07:28 PM         

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(aren't we both INTPs with Gemini ascendants too?).

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Uh-huh Jupiter and Mercury were my underlings. Not a bad set of dispositors as far as they go.

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(heh heh, depositor)

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I was also amazed to make that realization, because I also initially read it like you did.