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bopbop
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posted August 25, 2009 02:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bopbop     Edit/Delete Message
I am having a hard time understanding them. How "energies of two opposing planets must be resolved by the apex planet" thing. Like, what would be the difference between mutable, fixed, or cardinal T-squares? What if the T-square was out of sign? What would it mean if the apex planet was an outer planet or an inner planet, what about the two opposing planets? What about T-squares activated/created in synastry and composites or transits?

Share your opinion. How have you seen t-squares work?

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MyVirgoMask
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posted August 25, 2009 03:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
I have a fixed T-square with Mars, Venus, and Jupiter at the apex. The 'missing' link is Leo. What's interesting which I have read is that a person with a T-square will 'act out' the missing energy (in my case it's Leo)... which I find accurate.

Here's something I read which I've found helpful:

"The T Square -The t-square is exactly like the above configuration except that one of the signs is missing. Time and again this is described as trying to sit in a chair with three legs. Ironically, the individual becomes the fourth leg by acting out the traits which are missing in the chart.
Example: A t-square involving planets in Libra, Cancer and Capricorn. This individual can be very much like an Aries (the missing leg) at times. The person seems to instinctively fill in the missing traits in order to relieve the stress. The house of the missing leg takes on great importance also. If you had to try to sit in a chair with three legs it would be hard to ignore the corner that had no leg. " http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/moreaspects2.htm

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woah city
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posted August 25, 2009 05:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for woah city     Edit/Delete Message
boing! mVm maybe we act out/encourage eachothers' missing legs and together we have two missing legs to (not) hop around on and maybe that is why we have this, erm, issue between us and our legs. three legged? try four

my t square is missing leo, too, is what i mean to say. it's between my moon, uranus and sun at the apex..

thanks for the info!

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MyVirgoMask
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posted August 25, 2009 05:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
I thought you said 'issue between our legs' at first... I had to re-read that

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woah city
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posted August 25, 2009 06:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for woah city     Edit/Delete Message
you thought you saw it because that is what i was getting at. also did you catch my reference to multi-endowment by chance?

gotta stop filthing up these threads mVm. again, i blame you. i mean, thank you.

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bopbop
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posted August 25, 2009 06:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bopbop     Edit/Delete Message
lol nice. Thanks for the excerpt MyVirgoMask. I guess Deliverence has a T-square between Saturn Uranus and Venus... I'd be interested to hear about that, too.

Mine is Sun/Mercury, Moon and Pluto. Missing is Taurus. It makes me think of my grandfather, who has a Taurus Sun 2 deg opp my Pluto. He was the only person in my family that knew how to deal with me as a kid, who wouldn't put up with my power plays but never lost his cool either. His approval means a lot to me, but after I grew older he sort of disappeared from my life and his absence is painful.

I just found this article, courtesty of the fabulous Zane:

"Hi, Mike,

You are on the right track, definitely. But resolving T-squares is not easy because they don't come with an operator's manual.

Any planets that trine or sextile the apex planet of the T-square (in your description, Pluto) would be tools you could fall back on to help you tap the T-square energy. If you think about it, anything sextile your Pluto would be trine the opposition point, while anything trine Pluto would be sextile the opposition point. It is aspects to Pluto in your T-square, rather than the Moon or Venus, that should be tapped to assist you.

And yes, the key to a T-square is to learn to integrate the qualities of the sign opposing the apex planet, so as you surmised, "the solution would be to develop the characteristics in opposition (taurus in 9th house)." But it doesn't matter if you have any planets on that half of the chart or not.

There are a number of tools to help you integrate the 'missing' point. Until a person does, however, they often find that the missing point acts like a vortex, trying to pull them in, seemingly out of control. I know a number of people with Taurus as the empty part of a fixed T-square who have trouble with a sensory-based habit, such as overeating, or sexual excess. If you find yourself drawn to some such habit, it is a clear sign that you are letting the T-square control you rather than integrting the energies.

So what are these tools?
1. Probably the best one is to find a friend, or mentor, who has something conjunct your missing Taurus point. This person can teach you a lot about yourself, and help you to learn what you need to integrate into your psyche.
2. Keep a journal, and watch whenever planets transit this Taurus point. Since the Moon is there for a brief while every month, you will have a brief glimpse monthly of the type of energies you need to tap. Sun, Mercury and Venus will highlight this yearly, Mars every other year.
3. Look back over transits of outer planets (Saturn for example was in Taurus as the old century made way for the 21st Century; Jupiter was there in 2000 as well) and examine what was going on in your life during the times these bodies touches this Taurus point in your chart. Likewise, check the times your progressed Moon has reached that Taurus point, or will do so if it has not already.
4. Finally, since the Taurus point is in your 9th house, read, read, read as much as you can on the perspectives of other people, other cultures, other lands. You may be able to get special insight by exploring heavily Taurus countries such as Ireland, Switzerland, Sweden and Russia, as well as such Taurus ruled cities as
Dublin (Ireland), Mantua and Palermo (Italy), Rhodes (Greece) and Leipzig (Germany).

Just remember.....the purpose of our chart is to show us where we need to look to grow and evolve. It's not easy work, but every step you take towards understanding and developing the Taurus qualities within you will give you a good feeling about yourself, so you will know you are on the right track.

Best wishes,
Zane"
http://en.allexperts.com/q/Astrology-2205/2008/5/T-square-2.htm

Apparently, a T-square transit is going on right now between Mars, Pluto and Mercury in Cap, Gemini, and Virgo. I'm not particularly feeling it... but it's interesting that there have been posts about surgery lately and my mother just had a surgery as well. The Mars/Pluto opposition is conjunct her Venus/Uranus... it was a nerve-related problem that needed to be resolved, and now she has lost some of her sense of touch but she is doing well. Luckly the doctor was very precise (Virgo Mercury?) in removing the problem. Also, the opposite point is in Pisces, so it's actually a grand cross with t. Uranus there... and the problem was in her foot (I'm reading Pisces rules the feet). Haha.

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posted August 25, 2009 07:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unmoved     Edit/Delete Message
quote:
I thought you said 'issue between our legs' at first...

thanks for the laugh.

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letram
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posted August 25, 2009 07:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for letram     Edit/Delete Message
thats very interesting what you found mvm,

i looked into this topic because i don't know if i have 3 or 4 t squares, or 1 grand square.

if what you found is true, then i should be acting out either cancer, libran, aries or capi traits,

i really can't tell but oh well.

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Glaucus
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posted August 25, 2009 09:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
I have a mutable,cadent t-square,and it's very challenging.


Moon in 3'11 Pisces in 6th
square the opposition of
retrograde Saturn in Gemini in 5'08 Gemini in 9th
Neptune in 1'48 Sagittarius in 3rd
Jupiter in 8'17 Sagittarius in 3rd

I do have a history of many challenges in regards to the planets,signs,and houses in the t-square. I have already talked about them quite a few times. The greatest challenges of my life are my neurological/learning differences/problems in school and multiracial ancestry that includes being part black in a predominantly white country (the racial minority thing),my depression/anxiety, my stressful work history in the US Navy,relationship obstacles with women, and my mom's serious health problems which lead to my supporting her which is my responsibility as her only child. I never knew my biological father because he had drug problems. my mother had hers too along with alcoholism. the t-square can indicate family alcoholic/drug history My stepfather had his own issues too..especially trust/control with women and can be downright mean. Of course with Saturn as the father and Moon as the mother, the configuration also fits with their neurological/learning differences/hypersensitivity which I have inherited from them. A lot of instability in my family background.


I am not sure if I believe in the 4th leg because I have midpoint pictures that involving the t-square

Moon oppose Saturn/Neptune mp - '17

Saturn sesquiquadrate Moon/Jupiter - '36

I also have Moon oppose Jupiter/Saturn - '42 in Right Ascension (Equatorial Longitude) because I have closer t-square in Right Ascension.


Aspect patterns that are within an orb that is not wide will also form midpoint pictures. When you have midpoint pictures, there can be some integration of the 3 energies of the bodies that are in the midpoint picture.


I also have Ascendant in 13'27 Virgo ,and so my Ascendant is in the sign of the 4th leg.

Transiting Sun is in a grand cross to my t-square right now. It's closely conjunct my retrograde Pallas in 2'36 Gemini and retrograde Varuna (transneptunian,dwarf planet candidate) in 3'01 Gemini.


Raymond

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In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.

“She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them think their opinions are right and everyone else’s is wrong,” Dr. Brown said. “It really is just perfect.”
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