posted August 25, 2009 01:10 PM         

I never really paid close attention to this nodes, but now I read this about the Mars Node (it's at 19 degr. Taurus):

******Planets aspecting these points, or even the lunar nodes aspecting these points, have significance. To have a body conjunct or square the node of a planet appears to be more important than to have it conjunct the planet itself. The node of Mars will show up strongly where violence and surgery is involved. In fact, we have found but one case of a hysterectomy to date where the woman did not have a planet (any planet) conjunct or square to Mars' nodes That one case had Mars conjunct the node of Saturn. During a class, a protest against this statement was introduced by the wife of a physician. As a result, all the students were requested to accumulate all the cases of hysterectomies they could find, and try and locate a case where this was not true. Many birth dates involving hyster- ectomies were produced. There was no case among them where some natal planet was not conjunct or square the nodes of Mars. That does not mean there are no such cases, and you might find one, but when you do, please send it to us. In fact, it will be very helpful to our research department if you will send in the birth dates ofall the people you know who have found hysterectomies necessary. The data will be very welcome.******
http://mysite.verizon.net/bonniehill/pages.aux/astrology/tobey/tobey.14.html

My natal Mars is at 19 degr. Aqua (so, exactly square this Mars node!) and YES, I've had this hysterectomy myself when I was 31 years old!

A very good friend has his Mars also at 19 degr. Aqua and he went under the knife when he was 13 years old.

We both had cancer.

Very Very interesting, this really surprised me!

Thanx Raymond (I saw you mentioned this nodes in another thread and this time you urged me to take a better look....)

posted August 25, 2009 01:30 PM         

Yep....heliocentric planetary nodes are no joke. I use them regularly in my astrological work. I use heliocentric nodes of transneptunians,centaurs,and asteroids. All of them move up to 1 degree per century. Therefore,I automatically spot a heliocentric node aspect in a chart.

My mother had a hysterectomy at 23 years old because she had cervical cancer. I was 5,going on 6 at the time.
She was shot when I was 3 years old,and I was with her at the time. She was also physically and verbally abusive towards me. She cussed a lot and banged,threw things. She has the quite the temper,very much a hothead. She also had a history of receiving violence from romantic partners including my biological father and my stepfather as well as a boyfriend who was the father of my older half brother (that was when they reunited after 26 years of being apart).

My Mom has the following:

Chart ruler Moon in 18'51 Scorpio in 5th
oppose/conjunct Heliocentric Mars Nodes in 19'12 Taurus/Scorpio in 5th
oppose/conjunct Heliocentric Mercury Nodes in 17'47 Taurus/Scorpio in 5th

I grew up with anger issues, known for being hotheaded,going off with the mouth. I was suspended from school for fighting 5 times. That was in 2nd,4th,6th,7th,and 11th grade. I served in the military for 7 years, and my hotheadedness,temper was a liability there.

do I have contacts to the heliocentric Mars Nodes and Mercury Nodes?

well in my own chart:

chart ruler Mercury in 18'21 Scorpio in 3rd
oppose/conjunct heliocentric Mars Nodes in 19'20 Taurus/Scorpio in 3rd
oppose/conjunct heliocentric Mercury Nodes in 18'00 Taurus/Scorpio in 3rd

The heliocentric Nodes of Mercury and Mars are always conjunct within around 1 degree.

Therefore, you also have Mars square the heliocentric Mercury Nodes. Those people have contacts to the Mercury Nodes.

Raymond

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“It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status.

In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.

posted August 25, 2009 02:36 PM         

So indeed, also Mars square the Merc. Nodes.
(have to figure out more about this Nodes)

So, my moon (16'31 Scorp) still has this contact to the Merc. Nodes & maybe a little little little bit to the Mars Nodes.

posted August 25, 2009 03:20 PM         

I pay attention to what the article said

"Our own statistical investigations gradually led to indications that mere mathematical points (we will supplement this term later), the planetary nodes, are more important than the planets themselves, and this was the beginning of our realization that an entirely new conception of astrology was essential, an astrology unlimited and unhampered by the dogma of modern scientific hypotheses."

"Planets aspecting these points, or even the lunar nodes aspecting these points, have significance. To have a body conjunct or square the node of a planet appears to be more important than to have it conjunct the planet itself."

"In interpreting planetary aspects, it is well to first see how the planets are situated in their relation to the nodes. You should check each planet in its relation to each node. After that, you should check each planet in its relation to every other planet. Do not limit your inspection to the 0 and 90 degree aspects to the nodes. Pay attention to the 60 and 120 degree aspects (sextile and trine) also. These appear to be very helpful."

I use no more than 2 degree orb for planetary nodes.

do you have aspects to other nodes?

In my own chart:

Venus Nodes in 16'25 Gemini/Sagittarius in 10th/4th
trine/sextile Uranus in 15'17 Libra in 2nd

Jupiter in 10'12 Cancer/Capricorn in 10th/4th
square Eris in 12'15 Aries R in 8th
(borderline: 3 minutes past the orb....use no more than 10 minutes of arc for borderline)

Saturn Nodes in 23'25 Cancer/Capricorn in 11th/5th
trine/sextile Venus in 21'47 Scorpio in 3rd

Uranus Nodes in 13'51 Gemini/Sagittarius
square Ascendant/Descendant axis in 13'27 Virgo/Pisces
trine/sextile Uranus in 15'17 Libra in 2nd
sextile/trine Ceres in 13'57 Leo in 11th
sextile/trine Eris in 12'15 Aries R in 8th

"while planets conjunct or square the nodes of Uranus have a very restless and rebellious spirit."

"Letters from two astrologers unknown to each other asked us the same question. Did we know why people born with the Sun near 13-Gemini or 13-Sagittarius seemed to have so much difficulty in making marriage a success? Of course, this meant success according to orthodox standards which are quite inadequate, but it was interesting to note that each astrologer had unconsciously called the exact position of the nodes of the planet Uranus (Individual Reform Guide and Seventh House principle). Marriage is difficult where this principle is concerned because marriage is a Man-made institution that was molded in ignorance of this principle. When he wrote the Ten Commandments General Moses had his intellectual limitations."

I have never been married, but I do want to be married. I also wouldn't mind being in a common-law marriage.

Neptune Nodes in 11'28 Leo/Aquarius in 11th and 5th
oppose Lunar Nodes in 10'30 Aquarius/Leo in 5th and 11th
sextile Midheaven/Imum Coeli in 11'14 Gemini/Sagittarius
trine/sextile Eris in 12'15 Aries R in 8th

Pluto Nodes in 19'55 Cancer/Capricorn in 11th/5th
trine/sextile Mercury in 18'21 Scorpio in 3rd

Eris Nodes in 5'30 Taurus/Scorpio in 8th/2nd
oppose/conjunct Sun in 5'20 Scorpio in 2nd

Eris is classed as a dwarf planet along with Pluto by astronomers
There is no mention of Eris in the planetary nodes article because Eris was discovered in 2005,and the article was written long before the discovery of Eris.
Eris is 30 percent larger than Pluto. If astrologers view Pluto as a planet, then viewing Eris as a planet makes sense. If Pluto is viewed as having strong astrological influence, then Eris can be viewed as having a strong astrological influence. Eris orbits well beyond Pluto and has a much slower orbit than Pluto. Therefore,Eris more outer-planet like than Pluto. Therefore,it's more metaphysically oriented and probably relates more to the rebirth,transformation process. It does seem to have to do with diversity,ideology,divergence,controversy,discord. It also seems to rule the Dialectic process. Being a scattered disk object, Eris' orbit is more eccentric and inclined. It orbits well off the ecliptic. Therefore, Eris is a more of nonconformist than Pluto is. Uranus has nothing on nonconformity with its orbiting on the ecliptic like the other planets. Pluto and Eris are more nonconformists than Uranus when it comes to astronomical/orbital features.

also the heliocentric nodes of the other dwarf planets, Ceres,Makemake,and Haumea could be just as significant as Pluto and Eris.

Raymond

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“It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status.

In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.

posted August 25, 2009 03:23 PM         

any aspects to it?
heliocentric nodes by themselves relate to the collective because they are very slow moving

Raymond

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“It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status.

In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.

“She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them think their opinions are right and everyone else’s is wrong,” Dr. Brown said. “It really is just perfect.”

posted August 25, 2009 07:25 PM         

Two months ago I have had to concede defeat and admit to myself that although I may still have my uterus my quality of life is severely affected and am now waiting for a surgery date from the hospital.

posted August 25, 2009 08:08 PM         

- sesquiquadrate to Neptune;
- semi-square to Sun;
- semi-sextile to Mercury;
- quincunx to Uranus.

posted August 25, 2009 11:36 PM         

Thanks for bringing this up

My natal Mercury, Ceres, and SN at 19
Moon and Vesta are both 18

posted August 26, 2009 09:30 AM         

So, now I will check other contacts to this nodes (the trine/sextile included)...

Thanx for this reply winter!

and...you're welcome node

Comica, I can't answer this question, hope Raymond can..

Hm...maybe there's a better (& more direct) link to the current node-positions?

posted August 26, 2009 09:55 AM         

Mercury 18° Taurus 20'
Venus 16° Gemini 40'
Mars 19° Taurus 33'
Jupiter 10° Cancer 29'
Saturn 23° Cancer 38'
Uranus 13° Gemini 59'
Neptune 11° Leo 47'

Planetary nodes
Accurate positions for the planetary nodes in 2005 Astrology weekly
All positions are calculated for July 1, 2005

Moon's North Node - 18° 42' 43" Aries
Moon's South Node - 18° 42' 43" Libra

Mercury's North Node - 28° 18' 38" Gemini
Mercury's South Node - 05° 24' 57" Leo

Venus' North Node - 00° 13' 44" Cancer
Venus' South Node - 18° 55' 57" Leo

Mars' North Node - 09° 47' 21" Gemini
Mars' South Node - 08° 40' 21" Libra

Jupiter's North Node - 10° 23' 06" Cancer
Jupiter's South Node - 10° 41' 38" Capricorn

Saturn's North Node - 22° 18' 43" Cancer
Saturn's South Node - 25° 15' 42" Capricorn

Uranus' North Node - 15° 15' 17" Gemini
Uranus' South Node - 12° 36' 30" Sagittarius

Neptune's North Node - 10° 50' 26" Leo
Neptune's South Node - 12° 53' 52" Aquarius

Pluto's North Node - 20° 08' 19" Cancer
Pluto's South Node - 20° 43' 23" Capricorn

posted August 26, 2009 02:23 PM         

- sesquiquadrate to Neptune;
- semi-square to Sun;
- semi-sextile to Mercury;
- quincunx to Uranus."

comica,

what do you mean by NN. are you asking about the North Node of your Mars?

also major aspects are only looked at with planetary nodes (conjunction,opposition,trine,square,sextile)

I am not sure if sesquiquadrate,semisquare,semisextile,and quincunx work with the nodes of objects.

do you have hard aspects to your Mars?

Raymond

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“It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status.

In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.

“She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them think their opinions are right and everyone else’s is wrong,” Dr. Brown said. “It really is just perfect.”

posted August 26, 2009 02:39 PM         

you can calculate the nodes of any object here.
http://www.true-node.com/pos/

This is where I go to calculate the nodes of transneptunians,centaurs,and asteroids which I believe are not only astronomically relevant but also astrologically relevant.

I feel that it's important for an astrologer to understand what nodes really are. I think some learning of basic astronomy is essential for an astrologer. For instance, I feel that it's good to know how to differentiate asteroids,centaurs,and transneptunians from each other. There are still people that practice Astrology that aren't aware that Eris a transneptunian that is larger than Pluto. They don't know about the transneptunians, Makemake and Haumea which aren't much smaller than Pluto and are classed as dwarf planets along with Pluto,Eris,and Ceres. Some aren't aware that Ceres is not some small rock, but it's actually the largest asteroid by far and now classed as a dwarf planet.

I believe that it's good for us to understand that all objects have nodes and not just the moon. When we refer to the lunar nodes as just nodes, I feel that gives the impression that only the Moon has nodes. That's far from the truth. I also believe that it's good to understand perigree,perihelion,aphelion,and apogee. There is not much understanding of Black Moon Lilith which is the lunar apogee. Logic would tell us that if Black Moon Lilith is the lunar apogee, then it's symbolism,energy is mainly about the moon. Understanding about the orbits of objects help you understand how they work astrologically. Philip Sedgwick gets insights about how transneptunians,asteroids work astrologically by examining the position of the Heliocentric North Node and the Perihelion of the object at the time of discovery.

any ways...planetary nodes are highly relevant to Astrology. It can fill in the blanks about certain things. It can give a clearer picture about a person. The heliocentric nodes have more significance and they relate more to collective matters....if a person has a personal planet,angle in aspect to the heliocentric node of an object, they are strongly linked to the collective energy of that object.......especially the conjunctions,oppositions involving Sun,Moon,and angles.

Raymond

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“It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status.

In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.

posted August 26, 2009 02:48 PM         

My natal Mars (5º53' Taurus/9th house) is opposed to Pluto (4º11' Scorpio/3rd house) and square to Jupiter (9º25' Aquarius/6th house).
It also trines Neptune (3º34' Capricorn/5th house) and AC (0º42' Virgo).

posted August 26, 2009 03:10 PM         

My natal Mars (5º53' Taurus/9th house) is opposed to Pluto (4º11' Scorpio/3rd house) and square to Jupiter (9º25' Aquarius/6th house).
It also trines Neptune (3º34' Capricorn/5th house) and AC (0º42' Virgo).

Do you think that there's any danger in it? T_T"

The aspects that you listed to your heliocentric Mars Nodes aren't that significant...nothing to worry aobut

the aspects to your Mars are.........especially the Mars,Jupiter,Pluto t-square

however, I don't see them as being dangerous as long as you take care of yourself.

Raymond

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“It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status.

In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.

“She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them think their opinions are right and everyone else’s is wrong,” Dr. Brown said. “It really is just perfect.”

posted August 28, 2009 07:54 AM         

Hm...some other contacts I found in my chart to the Heliocentric nodes,

**Mercury nodes 18'00 Taurus/Scorp**
conjunct/oppose Moon 16'31 Scorpio
square Mars 19'30 Aqua
square Juno 17'32 Leo

**Mars nodes 19'20 Taurus/Scorpio**
conjunct/oppose Pallas 20'30 Taurus
square Mars 19'30 Aqua
square Juno 17'32 Leo

**Jupiter nodes 10'15 Cancer/Capricorn**
conjunct/oppose Ceres 10'24 Cancer
square Uranus 10'15 Libra

**Uranus nodes 13'51 Gem/Sag**
trine/sextile Lunar Nodes 14'35 Aqua/Leo
sextile/trine Chiron 13'47 Aries
sextile/trine Eris 13'01 Aries

**Neptunus nodes 11'31 Leo/Aqua**
sextile/trine Uranus 10'15 Libra
trine/sextile Eris 13'01 Aries

**Pluto nodes 20'01 Cancer/Cap**
sextile/trine Pallas 20'30 Taurus

**Chiron nodes 28'59 Libra/Aries**
square Venus 29'53 Cancer
sextile/trine Neptunus 0'20 Sag

**Eris nodes 5'30 Taurus/Scorpio**
sextile/trine Mercury 4'32 Virgo
sextile/trine Ascendant 4'14 Virgo
Square Vertex 5'07 Aqua (if Vx counts)

..little bit too much for me to assimilate at the moment