posted August 25, 2009 03:56 PM         

this is her chart:

posted August 25, 2009 04:17 PM         

there is no birthtime for the lady. It's possible that she might have a late Aquarius Sun and not early Pisces Sun.

also...I am not sure about using wide orbs to the lunar nodes for karmic connections.
Many astrologers recommend orbs of 1 to 2 degrees.

his Saturn square Uranus connects to her Lunar Nodes seems very interesting in a karmically restricting,disruptive way
traditionally, Saturn was the ruler of death before Pluto was discovered.

it would be interesting to get the birthtimes.......so then we look at any possible aspects to the Moon, Ascendant/Descendant and Midheaven/Imum Coeli axis as well as even the Vertex/Antivertex Axis.

Raymond

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“It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status.

In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.

posted August 25, 2009 04:30 PM         

I noticed that his Sun does square the heliocentric Mars Nodes,and that can indicate potential for violence.

"*Planets aspecting these points, or even the lunar nodes aspecting these points, have significance. To have a body conjunct or square the node of a planet appears to be more important than to have it conjunct the planet itself. The node of Mars will show up strongly where violence and surgery is involved. "

"The planetary nodes have a similar motion, but it is too slow to be significant within a lifetime. The nodes of Mercury circle the zodiac once in something over 171,000 years, while the nodes of Uranus make the trip in about 40,000 years. Oddly, the nodes of some of the outer planets appear to move more rapidly than those of the inner planets. In any event, however, no planetary node moves a degree within 100 years, so you can use the present nodal positions as close enough for any living being. Present north nodal positions are as follows:

MERCURY 17 TAURUS

VENUS 16 GEMINI

MARS 19 TAURUS

JUPITER 9 CANCER

SATURN 23 CANCER

URANUS 13 GEMINI

NEPTUNE 11 LEO

PLUTO 19 CANCER "
http://mysite.verizon.net/bonniehill/pages.aux/astrology/tobey/tobey.14.html

Raymond

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“It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status.

In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.

“She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them think their opinions are right and everyone else’s is wrong,” Dr. Brown said. “It really is just perfect.”

posted August 25, 2009 04:33 PM         

they can be just as transformational,destructive as Pluto.

Orcus,Ixion are plutinos like Pluto and named after underworld characters.....so they are similar astronomically,and they should be similar astrologically.

Eris, a transneptunian 30 percent larger than Pluto, is no joke. it can be very significant in a chart.

The dude that killed the women in the gym in Pennsylvania had hard aspects to big transneptunian objects.

Raymond

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“It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status.

In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.

posted August 25, 2009 05:38 PM         

I had suspicions that he had hard aspects involving transneptunians other than Pluto
I only looked at the big transneptunians.

Eris,Pluto,Makemake,and Haumea are the largest transneptunians in that order. They are classed as dwarf planets and Plutoids.

Sedna,Orcus,Quaoar,Varuna,and Ixion are the next largest transneptunains. They are dwarf planet candidates

Makemake in 20'50 Leo R
oppose Sun in 19'50 Aquarius

negative keywords for Makemake by Philip Sedgwick

Negative: Cunning and verbally manipulative. Double talk. Diversion of facts. Declaring false findings (laying an egg, so to speak). Taking flight to avoid consequence. Hiding as a coping skill. Reckless. Disregard for safety of the home. Self-serving.

astronomy of Makemake http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Makemake_(dwarf_planet)

mythology of Makemake http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Makemake_(mythology)

Orcus in 26'27 Cancer R
oppose Mercury in 26'53 Capricorn
oppose Mars in 29'27 Capricorn
square Lunar Nodes in 26'33 Libra
(Lunar Nodes were stationary on the day of birth, and therefore......he had strong lunar node energy, and so the square to Orcus is much stronger than a square to lunar nodes that is not stationary)

negative keywords for Orcus by Philip Sedgwick:
Negative: hypocritical, fault finding in the ways of others, blame assigning, ducks responsibility for word and actions, unable to keep promises

astronomy of Orcus: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/90482_Orcus

mythology of Orcus: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orcus

Ixion in 11'41 Scorpio R
conjunct Uranus in 11'46 Scorpio
square Saturn in 12'56 Leo R

I pointed out that his Saturn square Uranus aspected her lunar nodes........actually, it was his Saturn square Uranus-Ixion that aspected her Nodes

negative keywords for Ixion by Philip Sedgwick
Negative - lustful, inconsiderate, inclined to repeat errors, learns nothing from experience

astronomy of Ixion: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/28978_Ixion

mythology of Ixion: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ixion

Quaoar in 9'58 Scorpio R
conjunct Uranus in 11'46 Scorpio

negative keywords for Quaoar by Philip Sedgwick:
Negative - doom saying, prophet of Armageddon, controls others with fear

astronomy of Quaoar: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quaoar

mythology of Quaoar: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quaoar_(mythology)

Eris in 13'17 Aries
oppose Pluto in 14'02 Libra R

(birthtime is unknown, but it's possible that his Moon conjuncts Pluto and opposes Eris)

negative keywords for Eris by Philip Sedgwick:
Negative - greed, workaholism, believe that you must take over for God, general sense of being forsaken, condemned or abandoned, lack of spiritual regard for life, superficial, status oriented.

astronomy of Eris: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/136199_Eris

mythology of Eris: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eris_(mythology)

In 1992, other transneptunians besides Pluto were discovered orbiting beyond Neptune. This was 62 years after the discovery of Pluto in 1930. In 2000, astronomers started finding big transneptunian objects. In 2005, astronomers finally found not 2 objects that were close to Pluto' size, Makemake and Haumea, and they also found an object that is larger than Pluto. That object's name was Eris. That discovery challenged the planetary status quo,and led to the redefining of the solar system.

Pluto was thought to have a powerful influence and that it was about transformation,death,and rebirth because it was an object that orbit beyond Neptune. It was the most metaphysically oriented object because it was most outer. However, Pluto is just one of many thousands of transneptunians in our solar system. The whole transneptunian region could be about transformation,death,rebirth.
Objects that orbit beyond Pluto could be more profound in their influences than Pluto....no matter how small they are. After all, Pluto is extremely small compared to the planets in our solar system, but it is even viewed as having a more powerful influence than the largest planet, Jupiter. Eris is the object in our solar system that is the most distant from the Sun. At aphelion, Sedna is the most distant object from the Sun.
Therefore, it makes sense to consider Eris and Sedna as having a more profound influence than Pluto.

The discovery of Pluto's fellow transneptunians herald the beginning of a 21st century Astrology which I think is ruled by Eris, an object that seems to be about dialectics,challenge the status quo controversy,diversity, divergence. It makes Uranus look Saturn-like. Uranus and Saturn are the co-rulers of the fixed sign,Aquarius.

I believe that aspects involving Pluto's fellow transneptunian objects can easily account for certain things that they are attributing to wide orbed Pluto aspects.

I like the term that Philip Sedgwick used for transneptunian dwarf planets

evolutionary intensified objects.
Evolutionary suggests that emotional and spiritual crisis induced by the presence and passage of these bodies intends to enhance the insight, inspiration, creativity and consciousness of a person on Earth and through events on Earth containing these bodies in significant locations.

Philip Sedgwick's site http://www.philipsedgwick.com/

Raymond

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“It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status.

In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.

posted August 25, 2009 05:48 PM         

29* Cancer 26 minutes. Only three minutes away.

That's what first jumped out at me anyway.

That was was a real doozy that we will all be feeling for awhile.

posted August 25, 2009 05:58 PM         

StarrofVenus,

it depends on time and location of birth

My cousin, Joey was born on February 18, 1994 in Alameda,California at 4:30 PM

his Sun is in 0'07 Pisces conjunct his Mercury-Saturn conjunction in Pisces. His Venus is also in Pisces. He has Mars in Aquarius like I do.

Raymond

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“It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status.

In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.

“She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them think their opinions are right and everyone else’s is wrong,” Dr. Brown said. “It really is just perfect.”

posted August 25, 2009 07:57 PM         

Fascinating! Location and time make such a difference on that cusp...my Aqua was born an hour and a few minutes before your cousin (3:10 PM instead of 4:30 PM), but he would have had to have been born after 6:01 AM the next day on 2/19 to have been born a Pisces. He was born in Louisiana.

posted August 25, 2009 08:25 PM         

Transiting Uranus in Pisces was squaring her natal Neptune in Sagg.

Notice, she was killed on a day when transiting Mars in Gemini was opposing her natal Neptune in Sagg and squaring transiting Uranus in Pisces. Perhaps Uranus is one of the ruler of her chart.

Anyway, RIP Jasmine.

posted August 25, 2009 09:16 PM         

Eris is also a dwarf planet like Pluto,and it's larger and far more distant and slower moving......so it could even harder to handle than Pluto.

Raymond

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“It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status.

In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.

“She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them think their opinions are right and everyone else’s is wrong,” Dr. Brown said. “It really is just perfect.”

posted August 25, 2009 10:16 PM         

I agree with you. I am not shocked.

There is a lot of violence here in Sacramento. Both my mother and I were very affected by violence too. Her chart ruler Moon in Scorpio and my chart ruler Mercury in Scorpio oppose/conjunct the heliocentric Mars Nodes in Taurus/Scorpio.

Raymond

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“It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status.

In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.