posted August 28, 2009 07:25 PM         

It seems that a lot of people here have lots of bad and scary things to say about Saturn, especially Saturn in the 7th, but…why? Is everyone afraid of responsibility? Fearful of limitations? Lacking concentration? Not willing to put in any effort?

No offense to anyone, I just used a few Saturn keywords to make a point. Here are a few more keywords:

* Contraction
* Discipline
* Restriction
* Teacher
* Father
* Seriousness
* Stability
* Caution
* Mature
* Endurance
* Persistence

Seriously, think about the Capricorns and Capricorn risings you know…they are RULED by Saturn! Are they awful people? Do they have relationships? Do they have fun?

Personally, I also happen to love, love, love Capricorns. My mom is a double Cap with Saturn in Cap in the first house (!!!) and while she did have a few struggles, she is way on top now! After she divorced my father she had boyfriends, got educated, worked hard and stayed beautiful throughout! I dated a few Capricorns and sure they were always busy and usually tired but – they managed to see me or call nightly, they were really funny and I never had to open my wallet for anything! I wonder where their Saturns were? Had to be in some house and that is another thing:

Saturn is in everyone’s chart! We all have Saturn someplace. Plus to all of you synastry and reading-charts-just-for-romantic-purposes people out there, everything in the chart affects relationships, not just the seventh house!!! Hello! I mean, do you just live your day to day life through one house? I’m at work, let me put my 6th or 10th house cap on – forget my first house and who I am, my 12th house fears, my 8th house sexual needs, screw the 4th house right now because I have a job to do! We should focus on the chart as a whole and work on our squares and oppositions. I wanted to say this in the other thread but I figured I’d do it here: The only way someone will stay single forever is if they FEEL BAD ABOUT THEMSELVES!!! Why someone feels bad can be shown in houses 1 through 12, not just 5, 7 and 8!

It is not healthy to take one questionable planet or aspect and run with it. I can’t say bad planets/aspects because no planet or aspect is really bad – they all come out in different ways! Big, small…For example, I have Saturn in the 8th house. Someone on an astrology forum (not this one) told me that this means that anything I inherit either won’t be much or will be a “yoke around the neck”. I thought about it, and I know that when my mother dies I will “inherit” care of my younger, developmentally disabled brother. I got highly offended! Sure – it will be a “responsibility” but the doom and gloom in that phrase “yoke around the neck” – sheesh! You would have thought that I might be next in line to inherit the company formerly known as Enron or a colony of lepers or a football team full of ne’re-do-wells that I have to coach to victory! Ridiculous!

If anything Saturn teaches you to be more responsible wherever it is, what is wrong with that? Especially in the 7th house - who doesn’t want stability, maturity and endurance in a marriage partner? Everyone wants Venus there but Venus is fickle as hell! But Saturn means “learning a lesson”… Life is one huge lesson, live and learn….

posted August 28, 2009 07:43 PM         

the younger MEN, especially, can be a bit mercenary but i think that is just out of social awkwardness. the older ones seem unfailingly KIND and accepting that life sometimes throws stones at you, so they just get on with it, often very gracefully too.

i think some people, especially young ones, and especially some signs, have a hard time accepting reality and structure, so yeah, saturn can bring it on (depression, scarcity, all the above...) but with a certain amount of experience under your belt that fades in significance.

posted August 28, 2009 08:12 PM         

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the older ones seem unfailingly KIND and accepting that life sometimes throws stones at you, so they just get on with it, often very gracefully too

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Kat, that is something I didn't think about…As PEOPLE, our looks change over the years – pregnancy, weight gain, weight loss, balding and we can become ill – with chronic or acute illnesses. Wouldn’t you want someone stable, responsible and supportive there for those life changes? Or wouldn’t you want to be supportive as well? By the time this thread is done, I hope everyone will wish their Saturn was in the 7th house! (I am an equal houser, but in Placidus my Saturn is in the 7th!)

I notice people have another problem with Saturn in the 7th – the “don’t get married until after your Saturn Return, ages 29-31” thing. I don’t see what the big deal is about waiting. There is a possibility that if you have this placement you were meant to experience other things before marriage. I have seen it in the charts of lots of “independent” type women. Imagine getting married at 24 and during your Return you discover that you’d like to take a year and travel by yourself or that you’d like to not try and have a baby, but you feel that you should take time off from work and write “the great American novel” instead. Not every spouse would be psyched to hear this or eager to participate. Saturn in the 7th can help prevent those “disasters”!

Here is another gripe:

posted August 28, 2009 08:32 PM         

It makes me feel old, stuffy, awkward and self conscious..and all around..a grandma at 18.

But..yes there is a but..

I always tried to be self sufficient and worked hard at everything, maybe even twice as hard because I never felt good enough.

posted August 28, 2009 11:14 PM         

I do take romantic hurts really, really hard, while I am more Leonine in other areas of my life.

BUT I am funny and fun-loving. I like hot young men and adventures. I'm not very conventional or stodgy, and--while I can be tender and intense--I'm not SERIOUS ala the Saturn stereotype.

It is true that I ended my long term relationship after my Saturn Return, but so what? That doesn't mean the relationship wasn't fun, sexy, mind-expanding, close, meaningful, etc...just that it wasn't right FOREVER. As an un-conservative person, I think relationships that touch your life for a weekend can be as meaningful and transformational as relationships that last 37 years...just in a different way.

A lot of the old lore on Saturn is based on very very conventional ideas that we can happily move beyond.

All the threads recently about "Saturn in the 7th=ALONE FOREVER TO MISERABLY DIE ALONE" (not really, but you know what I mean) remind me of a study I read....a bunch of kids, all of whom had the same IQ, were divided into two groups. The group that was told they were high-IQ geniuses started completely excelling at school, including standardized tests. The group told that they were low-IQ started failing at school and getting low test scores.

Similarly, the placebo effect: fake medicine works just as well as real in most human bodies, as long as the people believe it is real.

So please start giving us Saturn in the 7th different messages. As a Leo Sun, here are some of my suggestions:

-Saturn in the 7th people are unusually beautiful, with lean, sexy bodies and intelligent faces

-Saturn in the 7th people have nice hair

-Saturn in the 7th people are extra creative

-Saturn in the 7th people have strong immune systems

-Saturn in the 7th people have more fun

posted August 29, 2009 02:06 AM         

i think it is a hard sign to major in when you're young. because the young tend to kick up their heels and cappy is left in the dust wondering who is going to help clean the house!

i have saturn in the 7th and i agree with DTM, i wouldn't trade it...and i have yet to meet that "older" man! i have been prone to younger ones most of my adult life!

posted August 29, 2009 02:34 AM         

My Venus is in Gemini, so Saturn and Uranus are both opposite my Venus. Which is similar to having Saturn in the 7th more or less. I've read so many interpretations for Venus in the 7th and I have Libra MC, so social things for the most part go smoothly.

I still haven't really been in a long term relationship, well I suppose I just started one, but its been stable for the most part, because this other person was born 3 weeks exactly after me, so his Stationary Sag. Saturn opposes my Venus, and his Saturn is contacting my Venus, so Saturn - Venus contacts are beneficial.

posted August 29, 2009 03:10 PM         

I'm Saturn square Sun. I'm the most responsible person I know in my circle of family and friends. It helps me achieve all my life so far: top of the class throughout my school career, got into good companies, make good money. People can depend on me. Saturn keeps me from going astray. On the other hand, I could be too cautious, reserved, slow on making decisions and miss out on greater opportunities. The challenge for me all my life is to put Saturn at the right balance. I learn this lesson by looking at my dad. He's Capricorn moon. Responsible but also emotionally cold and analysis paralysis. He rare shows any kinds of loving feelings towards me or anyone for that matter, and this is not good for me and my mom who both have Cancer moon. He analyzes everything and does nothing because he fears more of what could go wrong than what could be achieved. Seriously, my mom is the bread provider in the family. My ex is Capricorn 7th house. She's paralyzed when it comes to relationships. So afraid of making a wrong decision and never tried at all. She focuses on making money, on friends and doesn't invest in relationship because "what if it doesn't work out I would lose a lot." It became self-fulfilling prophecy.

posted August 30, 2009 08:20 PM         

I kid, I kid... However, I actually really like the positive aspects of Saturn. Did you know, Saturn has been transiting my 10th house for the last couple of years, and when it first went in, it SUCKED. I couldn't find a job for 8 months, and even then it was only because I buckled down and took something I was way overqualified for. However, being fresh out of college, I actually learned a lot from that job, and I ended up with another job within 3 months. This one I didn't really enjoy, and I was also overqualified for, but I've taken what experience I can from it and applied it.

NOW, Saturn is on it's way out of my 10th house (though it'll still be a little while before it gets there), and I've gotten several job offers within three weeks. One is a potential promotion. One is FINALLY a job that I'm actually qualified for and want to do (though they don't get the grant for it until January, so I won't start it until then), and another has always been a hobby of mine and it's something I've always enjoyed, but will be on the side. I just have to take the opportunity and go over there and sell myself and my abilities.

So, as you see, though all of my effort and discipline, I'm FINALLY getting what I deserve. This is exactly what Saturn does for us. It makes victory so much sweeter when you've worked hard for something and you finally achieve it. You actually APPRECIATE it because you put so much effort into it. Everyone these days wants instant gratification- The "I should get something just because I'm ME" way of thinking. Life doesn't work that way, and unfortunately, when something comes to you with little or no effort, you don't appreciate it and all you want is MORE, which you then also don't appreciate.

I can say, as one of those people who is single and has lots of problems with relationships, it's crappy what Saturn can do, but you know what? Once I find the right person to have a positive relationship with (one that will be BUILT instead of instantaneous) I know that I will appreciate and value it so much more because I did the work to actually DESERVE a great relationship.