posted August 30, 2009 02:21 AM         

I have read that a T-square has to involve a planet, not an angle. But I was reading (elsewhere) that the third planet...in my case, PLUTO..."The tension and awareness created by the two planets in opposition must be resolved by the planet receiving the double square. This third planet becomes a focal point of much importance in your chart."

This explains why all the men I really, mutually fall for hard are totally conjuncting my Pluto with some major part of their chart. With my two longest-term relationships, I had a snug Pluto-Sun conjunction with them. (With the really major one, my Pluto conjunct his Sun-Merc-Pluto-Mars.) With my probably most passionate fling, he had his AC-PLuto conjunct my Pluto (and his Moon-Saturn-MC tightly conjunct my Moon-Saturn-DC)...with The One That Got Away, my Pluto conjunct his Pluto-DC. With the current crush, my Pluto conjunct his AC and Venus.

I had discounted this T-square energy because of the wide orbs and the angle rather than planet...but now I see how important it is. That deep, Plutonic, intense transformation will be how I resolve the tension between my Cappie rising and my ultra-tender Cancer Moon-Saturn-DC.

Lately I have been thinking a lot about reading intuitively. This is a good example. Suddenly everything makes more sense. And all these guys who are all over my Pluto--of COURSE they turn me on, attract, and interest me, since they are somehow connected to all of the intensity involved in transforming my chart's main conflict.

posted August 30, 2009 02:46 AM         

Wow. I've looked at my transits for that day before (and there were lots that would explain that event), but I never thought to look at the Pluto.

The night I had a really intense experience with the guy I have a crush on now, transiting Cupido was conjunct my Pluto.

And today, as I'm having this breakthrough, transiting Mercury is conjunct my Pluto!

posted August 30, 2009 03:19 AM         

in an aspect pattern between only objects, the objects energize each other.

in an aspect pattern that involves objects and an angle axis, the angle axis is being energized by the objects which aren't energized by the angle axis.

but yeah......aspects to the angle axis are important...especially conjunction,opposition,square.......especially if you have ascendant/descendant axis square midheaven/imum coeli axis.

I have Ascendant/Descendant axis in 13'27 Virgo/Pisces square Midheaven/Imum Coeli axis in 11'14 Gemini/Sagittarius. My Haumea,a transneptunian dwarf planet like Pluto, is in 11'16 Virgo conjuncting/opposing my Ascendant/Descendant axis and squaring my Midheaven/Ascendant axis. I have Jupiter in 8'17 Sagittarius oppose/conjunct Midheaven/Imum Coeli axis and square Ascendant/Descendant axis.

close t-squares will have corresponding midpoint pictures

in my chart:

Moon in 3'11 Pisces squares the opposition of retrograde Saturn in 5'08 Gemini and Neptune in 1'48 Sagittarius

my Saturn/Neptune midpoint is in 3'28 Virgo, and so my Moon opposes it

you can judge the power of an aspect configuration by seeing if it has corresponding midpoint pictures.

Geometry is a big part of Modern Astrology.

Raymond

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“It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status.

In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.

posted August 30, 2009 05:09 AM         

I'm kinda with Raymond though, it's not a T-square in the traditional sense. Technically, I would have several T-Squares in my chart if I included the angles. According to that one website (you know the one) an aspect pattern which is out of sign doesn't count either, in which case I wouldn't have any T-squares.

I think though that this pattern in particular can feel the same because of the opposition involved. An axis is inherently going to produce an opposition if a planet is conjunct it. I'm considering seeing axis as a road, and the squaring planet as a detour. On the DC, you may "look for" Moon/Saturn energies. You draw them to you as they travel down the road towards your AC, using the projection of your personality as the draw. But the square could mean Pluto drags those energies through it before it can get to you. So Pluto energies are a must in relationships.

posted August 30, 2009 01:47 PM         

My guess is that I have some ultra-significant asteroid I don't yet know about conjuncting my ascendant, making it more like a T-square.

Although, I don't necessary agree that mathematical chart points like the nodes, angles, midpoints, and house cusps...or really ANY point on the chart are neutral and without their own energy. They designate areas of life--in the case of the ASC, very powerfully--the ascendent shows how the native will begin new things and what mask he/she will wear in the world. (The NN, as a point that shows someone's destiny and the new aspects of self they need to discover, uncover, and explore to thrive in life...as challenging as it may be to embrace that newness...is also, I feel, as richly energized as a planet, even though it is simply one of an infinite number of mathematical points on the "map" that is the natal chart.)

In the case of my chart, having Moon-Saturn oppose my AC animates it with energy beyond just that of a nodal axis--my Moon-Saturn are in a reverse-magnetic face-off with how I tend to present myself to the world. My AC is also animated by being in an exact square with Pluto...it may indeed be that Pluto functions more like a person or creature in that scenario, while the AC functions like a place or space...but because it's my Saturn (chart ruler) opposite Cap Rising, it feels like my psuedo "T-square" is like a wall for Pluto to crush to the ground so that Saturn can start building something a lot more beautiful and less depressing than a wall.

I think the self-pressuring energy of my AC-opposite-Moon-Saturn makes me feel agonized and tender. That Pluto will be the source
of my real power. Now that I noticed it.

With all the cookbook interpretations of charts out there, it gets hard to view a whole chart freshly and holistically and to see how its unique energies are really operating. Even a lot of people who do look at a whole chart on here are sort of ticking off items, an approach that's sort of like looking for beauty by measuring their facial symmetry. As if it's a "yes/no", "pass/fail" test.