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posted September 05, 2009 07:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aka Kat     Edit/Delete Message
OK I decided to look up the Forbes top 100 billionaire's B-days. so this section is only for this part of the discussion started by Unmoved. All other $ comments unrelated to the Forbes list, use Unmoved's post.

Please do not post until I finish with the list and get the statistics. I could not find a couple people, but they are so far the ones who inherited the business. I do not know how all of them made their $. Maybe that is the next step.

1. William Gates III, United States, October 28, 1955
2. Warren Buffett, United States, August 30, 1930
3. Carlos Slim Helu & family, Mexico, January 28, 1940
4. Lawrence Ellison, United States, August 17, 1944
5. Ingvar Kamprad & family, Sweden,March 30, 1926
6. Karl Albrecht, Germany, February 20, 1920
7. Mukesh Ambani, India,April 19, 1957
8. Lakshmi Mittal, India, June 15, 1950
9. Theo Albrecht, Germany, March 28, 1922
10. Amancio Ortega, Spain, March 28, 1936
11. (Sam Walton march 29, 1918) Jim Walton, 61, ???1948
12. Alice Walton, United States, October 7, 1949
12. Christy Walton & family, United States, 54 ????
12. S Robson Walton, US,65,??? 1945
15. Bernard Arnault, France,March 5, 1945
16. Li Ka-shing, Hong Kong, July 29, 1928
17. Michael Bloomberg, United States,February 14, 1942
18. Stefan Persson, Sweden,October 26, 1974
19. Charles Koch, United States,November 1, 1935
19. David Koch, United States, March 5, 1944
21. Liliane Bettencourt, France, october 21, 1922
22. Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal Alsaud,Saudi Arabia
March 7, 1955
23 Michael Otto & family,Germany, father-August 13, 1909, his bday??????
24. David Thomson & family,Canada, June 12, 1957
25. Michael Dell, United States, Feb 23, 1965

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posted September 05, 2009 08:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aka Kat     Edit/Delete Message
26. Donald Bren, United States,76, 1932 ???
26. Sergey Brin, Moscow, August 21, 1973
26. Larry Page, US, March 26, 1973
29. Steven Ballmer, Detroit,March 24, 1956
29. Gerald Cavendish Grosvenor & family
United Kingdom, (Duke) December 22, 1951
29. George Soros, United States, August 12, 1930
32. Paul Allen, United States, January 21, 1953
32. Kwok family- inherited,Hong Kong
??Walter 1950 - thomas 1951 raymond -1952
34. Anil Ambani, India, June 4, 1959
35. Abigail Johnson, United States, December 19, 1961
35. Susanne Klatten, Germany, April 28, 1962
35. Ronald Perelman, United States, January 1, 1943
35. Hans Rausing. Sweden. 83, ?? 1926
39. Birgit Rausing & family, Sweden, 1925??
40. Michele Ferrero & family, Italy, April 26, 1927
40. Mikhail Prokhorov, Russia,May 3, 1965
40. Jack Taylor & family, United States. October 21, 1936
43. Mohammed Al Amoudi, Saudi Arabia, ?? 1946
43. Anne Cox Chambers, United States, December 1, 1919
43. Carl Icahn, United States, February 16, 1936
43, George Kaiser, United States, 66, ??? 1942
43. Lee Shau Kee, Hong Kong, January 29, 1928
43. Forrest Mars Jr, United States, 77, ?? father (March 21, 1904)(long live m&ms)
43. Jacqueline Mars, United States. 69 ???
43. John Mars, United States, 72, ??

(Finding B-days of inherited family businesses is tough, but I found the father.)

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posted September 05, 2009 09:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Writesomething     Edit/Delete Message
quote:
(long live m&ms)

LMAO

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posted September 05, 2009 09:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aka Kat     Edit/Delete Message
51. Roman Abramovich, Russia, October 24, 1966
52. Ernesto Bertarelli, Switzerland, September 22, 1965
52. Philip Knight, United States, February 24, 1938
54. Nasser Al-Kharafi & family, Kuwait,65,1944??
55. James Simons, United States,70 ??
55. Alain & Gerard Wertheimer, France, 1950?
57. Abdul Aziz Al Ghurair & family,United Arab Emirates, 55, ??1954
57.Vagit Alekperov,Russia,September 1, 1950 or
January 9, 1950 *
59. Sunil Mittal & family, India, June 15, 1950
60. Francois Pinault & family, France, August 21, 1936
61. Eike Batista, Brazil, November 3, 1957
62. Mohamed Bin Issa Al Jaber, Saudi Arabia, 50 ??
62.Maan Al-Sanea, Saudi Arabia, 54???
62. Edward Johnson III, United States, June 29, 1930
62. Ananda Krishnan, Malaysia,70. April ??? 1938
62. Robert Kuok, Malaysia, October 6, 1923
62. Joseph Safra,Brazil,70???
68. Jeffrey Bezos, United States,January 12, 1964
69. August von Finck, Germany,inherited, March 11, 1930 **questionable
70. Silvio Berlusconi & family,Italy, September 29, 1936
71. Leonardo Del Vecchio, Italy, May 22, 1935
71. Curt Engelhorn, Germany, May 25, 1926
71. Mikhail Fridman, Russia, April 21, 1964
74. Sulaiman Al Rajhi, Saudi Arabia,89,?1920
75. James Goodnight, United States, January 6, 1943

* so I encountered something interesting. I found two bdays or the same person (57) 9/1 and 1/9 (whichever is the American got it wrong)
** I'm now questioning this source.

My info is only as good it's accuracy.

Again please wait until I'm done and have the statistics/ percentages up.

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posted September 05, 2009 10:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aka Kat     Edit/Delete Message
69 is OK source

76. Iris Fontbona & family,Chile ??
76, Petr Kellner, Czech Republic, May 20, 1964
76 John Kluge, United States,September 21, 1914
76 John Paulson, United States,December 14, 1955
76. Tadashi Yanai & family, Japan, February 7, 1949
81. Dan Duncan, United States, 76,??1933
81. Eliodoro Matte & family, Chile, 63, ???
83. Alberto Bailleres & family, Mexico, 76
son - August 22, 1951????*
83. Azim Premji, India, July 24, 1945
83. Hansjorg Wyss, Switzerland, 74, ??? 1935
86. Shashi & Ravi Ruia, India, 65, ???
87. Steven Cohen. United States, August 14, 1956
87. Ng Teng Fong & family, Singapore,?? 1930
87. Patrick Soon-Shiong, United States, 57, ?? 1953
90. Serge Dassault & family, France, April 24 1925
90. Erivan Haub & family, Germany,September 29, 1932
92. Jorge Paulo Lemann, Brazil, August 26, 1939
93. Eli Broad, United States, June 6, 1933
93. Kunio Busujima & family, Japan, 1925-04-01 ( I assume April 1)**
93. Karl-Heinz Kipp, Germany, 85, ?? 1924
93. Vladimir Lisin, Russia, May 7, 1956
93. Reinhold Wurth. Germany, April 20, 1935
98. Philip Anschutz, United States, December 28, 1939
98. Kirk Kerkorian, United States, June 6, 1917
98. Nicky Oppenheimer & family, South Africa, June 8, 1945
98. David & Simon Reuben, United Kingdom,?? brothers
98. Kushal Pal Singh, India, August 15, 1931
98. Galen Weston & family Canada, October 29, 1940

So obviously there are alot of ties for some places.
Grand total 103 s for the top 100 since I can't knock out the ties and I'm not looking up any more birthdays!!!
* will not count since no info on father
** 1925-04-01 I assume is April 1, 1925

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posted September 05, 2009 10:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aka Kat     Edit/Delete Message
Statistics for the 25 wealthiest people in the world

Cap - 0
Aqua - 2
Pisces - 5 (one at 0 degrees Aqua/ Pisces cusp)
aries - 4
taurus - 0
gemini - 2
cancer - 0
leo - 2 (3 if you count father- deceased)
virgo - 1
libra - 2
scorpio - 3
sag -0

unknown 3 (4 if you count the family that inherited the Leo's wealth)

The wealthiest of the weathiest - Pisces for this year, Aries in second. I think Aries is mostly self-made wealth.

Lacking - Cap, Taurus, Cancer, Sag

statistics for 25-50

Cap-1
Aqua -3
Pisces -0
aries -2
Taurus - 3
Gemini - 1
Cancer -0
leo -2
Virgo -0
Libra - 1 (cusp scorp)
scorpio -0
sag - 3

Unknown -8


statistics for 50-75

cap -2
aqua -0
pisces - 2
Aries -0 (likely 1)
Taurus - 1 ( at 0 degrees with lots of Aries)
Gemini - 3( one at 0 degrees)
Cancer - 1
Leo -1
virgo - 1 (29 degrees cusp of Libra)
libra - 2
scorpio - 2 (one at o degrees cusp libra)
sag - 0

unknown 10 ( 9 if the one is an Aries, 8 -one is either a cap or Virgo)

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posted September 05, 2009 10:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Writesomething     Edit/Delete Message
I really think wealth depends on natal chart. Sun sign alone isnt enough although it is interesting to read it. I think Sun in Aries makes sense in someways, esp since their Sun progresses into Taurus eventually which is the money sign of the Zodiac. Mix Aries sun with prog Sun in Taurus, and you've got some serious intensity to finances....but like I said....

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posted September 05, 2009 11:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aka Kat     Edit/Delete Message
ADD? I'm not done yet! I will do the first 25. Wait!

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posted September 05, 2009 12:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aka Kat     Edit/Delete Message
75-100

cap 1
aqua 1
pisces 0
aries 2 (1 at 29 degrees)
taurus 3 (1 at 29 degrees)
gemini 3
cancer 0
leo 3
virgo 2
libra 1
scorp 1
sag 1

unknown 10


grand total*

cap-4
aqua- 6
pisces-7
aries- 9
taurus -7
gemini-9
cancer - 1
leo -8 (9 counting the father)
virgo - 4
libra -5
scorpio - 6
sag - 4

unknown 31

pending on the information is correct and a couple of dates may have been transposed.

2 are missing and I'm too tired to recheck now. Several were clearly on the cusp and I used an emphemeris. I'll (try)get to the top 25 some other time. Of course a chart is not possible. But I'll use my ephemeris.

Here is a lesson -Sun sign is not a clear indicator. The largest sign for billionaires is unknown not 60% Virgo. Most of these guys are elderly and I can't find their DOB. Also, don't generalize unless you have the info to back up a claim. Personally I think much of astrology is not even attempted to be backed up by hard evidence. Certainly this was not done during Babylonia times, and is not done regularly today. Don't take someone else's assumption as truth, chances are their info is mixed up. Imagine doing this for successful marriages, talent, etc. It is a lot of objective work. I've been at this six and a half hours so far. It's far easier to take someone else's word even though it could be totally false.Question everything! Your life is in your own hands. We know the personality traits for getting wealthy. Male, white, middle eastern, objective, math/numbers oriented, strong, determined, self-willed, tenacious, good work ethic, people oriented, etc. not wishful magical thinkers.

The professions here seem to be serious business types - mining finances, oil, etc. some wealth inherited, some royalty. It would be interesting to do the top 25 creative wealthy types. I might consider doing that instead and just the top 10, we'll see. Stay tuned.


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posted September 05, 2009 03:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aka Kat     Edit/Delete Message
rank (visibility "power") name pay $mil Web rank press rank TV rank.
1 Angelina Jolie 27 3 5 3
2 Oprah Winfrey 275 4 8 2
3 Madonna 110 9 6 8
4 Beyonce Knowles 87 2 20 16
5 Tiger Woods 110 54 4 4
6 Bruce Springsteen 70 32 19 25
7 Steven Spielberg 150 48 26 48
8 Jennifer Aniston 25 6 30 21
9 Brad Pitt 28 11 7 6
10 Kobe Bryant 45 53 10 15
11 Will Smith 45 37 18 17
12 Dr. Phil McGraw 80 74 55 10
13 Britney Spears 35 10 16 11
14 David Letterman 45 35 36 9
15 Coldplay 70 64 17 57
16 Adam Sandler 55 25 43 44
17 Harrison Ford 65 13 48 75
18 Michael Jordan 45 19 33 39
19 LeBron James 40 58 15 27
20 Tom Cruise 33 33 13 19
21 Bon Jovi 50 20 57 50
22 Donald Trump 50 57 47 26
23 Rush Limbaugh 54 80 45 22
24 George Lucas 170 71 65 85
25 Simon Cowell 75 62 97 40

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posted September 05, 2009 07:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aka Kat     Edit/Delete Message
Here is the info from an ephemeris

R=retrograde
moon is approximate since I don't have the exact time.
INH = inherited the business and growing
// lives in an area with a different time zone. I used the day before for accuracy.

Anyone want to help out with the top ten?
Pick a person, say number 5. See if you can find more info - time, inaccuracies, etc. run a chart -noon and post.

Here is all the info in one area. See any trends?
Probably no fixed moons.

number 5 typo -Saturn -Scorp

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posted September 06, 2009 12:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message
The article you linked in Unmoved's thread says "Of the 380 self-made American tycoons who have appeared on the Forbes List of the World’s Billionaires in the past three years, 42 were born in September--more than in any other month."

But the list you are working with here is not restricted to SELF-MADE AMERICAN TYCOONS, it covers people from all over the world, so I am confused. Would you care to explain your logic?


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posted September 06, 2009 07:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aka Kat     Edit/Delete Message
They are both the same list --the Forbes 500. I took the top 100 names directly from Forbes.(500 is too much work for me.) Evidently someone must have picked through the list and pulled out 380 Americans and 42 were born in September (from a three year list), that's 11% of the 380 Americans - almost 7% of the total 500. Many assume it is because Mercury or Virgo, but it does not say this, they could be Libra. So the percentage could really be say 5%Virgo 6%Libra or something like that. Not the high percentages that some were claiming. If you read back in my posts, it shows how memory can be flawed and inaccurate. I did not get the actual quote correct nor did I get that this quote was only about Americans. Frankly, I just now realize that someone plucked out the Americans from the list because I was focusing on the numbers. I do not know of any other study looking at the richest to check them out astrologically. I know the list has always included people from around the world. Americans tend to lead the pack in making money.

This is about astrologically making money and this Forbes group has done it exceedingly well in various ways. I am not getting your reason for wondering why having people from all over the world in this study.Perhaps you do not realize it is the same list - two people are using differently. I left the list the way it was created while the other person used the list to pick out the American. If you would like to pick out all the Americans go right ahead. As for me, I'm leaving as it is. If you would like to find the top 100 wealthiest women, go ahead I ran across that list out on the internet as well. Or you can pick out the very few on this list. The info here is for the wealthiest people and they happen to mostly be men and mostly American a reflection of a reality that is not dependent on Astrology.

I now posted the top ten to do a study. If you'd like to help great! I really don't have any more energy to do any more and my guess is that people will not be running to help out. considering the low statistics so far, this study could prove the astrology idea of Cancer, Taurus and Scorpio being money makers incorrect. It's not as blanket of a truth that many astrologers have made it. The only possibility seems to take in account individual professions, male/female, country, personal drive appropriate to your profession, etc. This takes looking at a situation in many ways and if we study astrology I think we need to get away from cookie cutter, ages old ways about looking at money. Does the person astrologically have characteristics that will allow him/her to excel in a certain area that are conducive to making money? Maybe it takes an Aries or less fixed personality to strive for that much money and power. I wonder if most of the top 100 have mutable moons. Maybe being an entrepreneur means being flexible while a middle management boss should be more fixed and rigid. We look at our second house and it has Jupiter and that means we will have luck in making money. Maybe, maybe not I'm hoping to at least look at a few of these people and see what we get.

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posted September 06, 2009 10:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
Hate to say it but Forbes list is always inaccurate

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posted September 06, 2009 11:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aka Kat     Edit/Delete Message
how?

They are proven to be wealthy. If I want to look at charts of people who are wealthy why not use them?

Maybe Bill Gates really has 2mil less than the next guy and the third guy really has 2million hidden in a Swiss account. Money is energy and it is shifting all the time anyway.

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posted September 06, 2009 11:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aka Kat     Edit/Delete Message
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/natal-charts/bill-gates.php

Supposedly he is a Cancer rising (several charts online say the same.) He has several pairs of interesting conjunctions and stelliums by sign. If he is a Cancer rising Jupiter Uranus is in the second. Moon in the 10th on the MC.

6 of the top 10 have retrograde NNs.

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posted September 06, 2009 02:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message
I wish we could get our hands on the actual research and decipher it ourself, but I find this article and it puts the percentage of Virgos among the world's richests at 12% which is very high.
http://channels.isp.netscape.com/whatsnew/package.jsp?name=fte/richzodiac/richzodiac&floc=wn-nx

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posted September 06, 2009 02:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message
aka Kat, thanks for explaining.

I think it might be important to separate riches according to country because it is quite possible that even though billionaire level becomes global, some signs do better in some country and not so well in others. After all, each country has its own astrological chart...

ETA: By the way, original the astrological research done on Billionnaires came out in 2006. So we can assume they were working with Forbes data circa 2002-2005. Are you working with the same Forbes list or with later data?

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posted September 06, 2009 04:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls*     Edit/Delete Message
quote:
6 of the top 10 have retrograde NNs.

True NN is retrograde most of the time. Mean NN is ALWAYS retrograde.

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posted September 06, 2009 04:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aka Kat     Edit/Delete Message
This is the current 2009 Forbes 500 list !!!!!! I started with the top 100 and looked up the dates of birth of all these people. You have the current list right in front of you. I go straight to the source ------no second hand info here! Feel free to pick out the Americans if you like and post a revised list. If anyone would like to do 100 - 500 knock yourself out. I'm done.
www.forbes.com/lists/2009/10/billionaires-2009-richest-people_The-Worlds -Billionaires_Rank.html

(OK scrap the NN comment.)

Question everything. No conclusions yet.


Actually supposedly 11% were born in September. Americans only!!!! not the entire 500 that would be 7%. I'm curious if the article simply assumed they were all Virgos and not Libras.


It gives the name of the people ask--them to substantiate themselves and the site that published the info.


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