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flyin_free_70
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posted September 05, 2009 01:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for flyin_free_70     Edit/Delete Message
My ex seriously never seems to go very long without some sort of catastrophe happening to him. If I hadn't lived with him for 16 years I would be pretty sure that he was lying about some of the things that have happened to him...but he really does seem to have a "dark cloud" over him.

Some examples. For our entire marriage he never could hold down a job...he'd get one, usually a good one and then just when you'd think that things were finally going to be OK and you could get ahead (or caught up) financially, he'd get hurt in some way...he'd break his arm by falling off his truck, or roll his semi, or have something have a heart attack in another country. Or a business partner would rip him off, resulting in the closure of our company, or we'd have employees steal from us, or a huge business deal that was "just about to go through" would suddenly fail after months or years of working on it. There were so many things and whatever it was was "never his fault"

Anyway, since we've been split up (5 years) he's constantly either hurting himself or been laid off (all reasons, according to him, as to why he just Can't pay child support) he's torn something in his stomache while surfing in Hawaii...I don't really know what it was because we weren't together anymore but some sort of freak accident which according to him "never happens" to anybody. He's also been in the hospital multiple times for various injuries. Then just yesterday he was working at a construction site and he said he "ripped his stomache wall" something like a hernia but not quite, according to him, and again, so rare that it never happens to most people.

So, my question is this...does he have something in his charts that says that he will constantly be injured, or have bad luck?

His birthday is March 11, 1964 and he was born in St Joseph Missourri...birth time unknown.

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blue moon
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posted September 05, 2009 01:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message
Interesting question.

If your hobby is knitting as opposed to surfing, you are giving the universe less chance to spring an injury upon your person. That could be one part of the puzzle. A job in construction is physical and if placed in a situation of cut health and safety corners we are also helping things along.

Astrologically I see that on his date of birth Mars is in Pisces. In past LL threads the discussions of people with this placement have included comments on fluctuating and challenged energy. On his d.o.b it is opposite Pluto in Virgo, and conjunct the Sun also in Pisces (slightly wide for a Sun Opp Pluto). If you are looking for somewhere on his chart that shows challenged energy and the potential for a string of phsyical ailments and injuries, that opposition could be it. It would be interesting to see what houses the opposition falls into.

I just looked this up in an Ephemeris, I didn't draw a chart, so it really is the first thing that leapt out.

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pire
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posted September 05, 2009 02:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pire     Edit/Delete Message
my idea is that luck can be in every situation, even in the darkest time

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Lucia23
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posted September 05, 2009 02:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message
I recently read a book about luck, called "The Luck Factor" by Richard Wiseman. Basically, it argues that so-called lucky people are actually conducting their lives in a way that encourages "luck" to come to them. It's not really about chance happenings. People who consider themselves "lucky" handle adversity differently than "unlucky" people...they are more flexible, open to new opportunities, and able to live in the moment. "Lucky" people take the risk to trust their intuition.

I have always thought of myself as a very lucky person in many areas, but reading the book made me think he was really right...in the areas of life where I am "lucky", I have a constructive attitude. In the areas of life I am "unlucky", I have a whiny, insecure, fragile, sad, bad attitude.

It sounds like maybe he's a person who doesn't follow his intuition, and who doesn't consciously try to take charge of his life. And while that probably shows up in his chart and transits (you would need an exact birth time to read for that very meaningfully), I believe you can work with ANY chart in a "lucky" or "unlucky" way. Some of the world's luckiest people are those who have consciously approached the challenges of their chart in a novel way--I keep thinking of Gandhi--if some desperate groupie-chick posted his chart on Lindaland asking "Is he my Soul Mate?" I would answer that he looks like a promiscuous womanizer...but instead, he chose in his life to use all of his charisma to effect mass social change.

Similarly, your ex's big pile of self-delusion and propensity for drifting about thoughtlessly could play out as a beautiful, open mysticism, if he decided to take his life into his own hands in a more conscious way.

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amowls*
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posted September 05, 2009 03:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls*     Edit/Delete Message
Sounds like he has an "afflicted" or prominent Mars which makes him more prone to daredevilish activities. I know 2 guys with Mars in Aries who always get hurt... but it's because they're always doing sports that involve a lot of risk such as snowboarding, skateboarding or biking. One has Mars square Uranus and he's broken his neck, does things like spray pepper spray in his own face, tazer himself, etc. As opposed to me, who doesn't like to do things because I'm afraid of getting hurt. I've never broken a bone in my body. I've also never bungee jumped, snowboarded or jumped off of bridges lol.

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katatonic
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posted September 05, 2009 03:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
he can afford to surf in hawaii but not pay child support? doesn't sound like luck to me but maybe buckle-down-aversion syndrome.

usually catastrophes are a wake-up call that you may be heading in the wrong direction! i think his "bad luck" is about ignoring signs and driving into brick walls...

sorry if that sounds harsh but "in every disaster is the seed of opportunity"...!!

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flyin_free_70
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posted September 05, 2009 04:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for flyin_free_70     Edit/Delete Message
BlueMoon, It's not JUST that he works in areas where he's more likely to get hurt though, it's constant. Heck, he could be standing there doing nothing and something would happen. Same with business ventures...he could be right at the end of a "completely sure thing" and bam, something will happen so that it will fall through.

Pire, Very true. I think that sometimes, even when we're going through our darkest times, that if we really look at what's happening, we can pull good from it...or if nothing else a very valuable life lesson that will help us in the future.

Lucia, I know what you're saying...and I believe that too, that we can consiously attract good things to our lives. I believe that we all have energy and that the energy we give off is synonymous with the energy we receive...If you liked that book then I think you will really enjoy reading "The Secret" and/or "The Law of Attraction"

amowls, but, like I said, it's definately not just that he's daredevilish. It's "always" with him...no matter what he's doing.

katonic...HA, yes! Sometimes I wonder if he doesn't "wish" these bad things upon himself at will so that he Won't have to work or Won't be able to pay child support!~ It's like he'll do whatever it takes to NOT have responsibility in life, even if it's to his own detriment.

I guess that truely I do partly believe that he somehow causes or at least attracts all these things to himself...but man, why on earth would anybody be sooo self destructive?! That's why I started wondering about his chart...that maybe there would be something in it that "made" him destined to be this way....

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Geocosmic* Valentine
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posted September 05, 2009 08:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geocosmic* Valentine     Edit/Delete Message
You know how they say that luck is eye of the beholder, well your ex sounds pretty lucky to me if he has survived all of that without dying. That's the good luck.

I had an ex-boyfriend with that same birthday and same year except he was born in Connecticut. I also don't know what time he was born. He was not unlucky like your ex. But I do have an interesting story about him that is similar. He was one of the most beautiful men that I'd ever seen. He was a large body builder with long hair and he was a talented heavy metal guitarist. He could have been a model and let just say he was a GREAT LOVER!

But when we finally got together, he kept saying, "I hate falling in love, I always get hurt." I had never heard anyone say something like that before, and it was strange to me. Well, I couldn't believe that I did it, but I did end up breaking up with him because he would sometimes sink into what I think was a depression and he wouldn't want to go out and have fun and he wouldn't communicate with me and I would end up sitting in the dark with him doing nothing. I finally got tired of it and I broke up with him.

I hardly believed I was going to do it because he was the most beautiful man I had ever seen, the whole cliche body builder boyfriend, all of that. Oh I forgot, sometimes he was as dumb as a box of nails. That's right, I forgot.

Anyway, I think he fished his wish, is what I'm trying to say. You get what you expect on the deepest levels.

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flyin_free_70
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posted September 05, 2009 09:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for flyin_free_70     Edit/Delete Message
Too funny Geocosmic...that you had a boyfriend with the same bd!

My ex was definately not model-like, although he wasn't bad looking. And oddly enough for how good he was/is at NOT making money, I swear he's on the verge of brilliant. Right now for example, he's working on lossless compression and one of his business partners is from the Pentagon. He's by no means dumb...and yet..he can NOT make money...or at least not any sort of job/business venture that makes money for anything other than short-term. When we were married I used to tell him that he was the smartest unemployed person I'd ever met.

Oh, and mine was NOT a great lover, just sayin'. Looks like they didn't have a whole lot in common except their bd's

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Belage
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posted September 05, 2009 11:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message
I agree with the points made by Blue Moon and amowls.

Your ex has a conjunction of sun and mars, which indicates either a warring nature or an impulsive rash nature, and this conjunction is opposed by Pluto, indicating powerful life events or adversaries counterracting his plans. When you inject Chiron into this equation (as part of the conjunction) you can see that there is some kind of wound that never gets to heal. It is a lifelong battle.

This conjunction is trined by Neptune, so perhaps if your SO delved more into spiritual, humanistic or artistic matters instead of materialistic nitty gritty things like construction work, he could somewhat mitigate the effects of the Pluto opposition... The recent Saturn transit opposing his stellium must have been very hard for him. It's that when he injured himself surfing? Anyway, it is over now, time for him to build himself back. He should use imagination and meditation and visualization to better his life.

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DepTaurus
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posted September 06, 2009 12:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DepTaurus     Edit/Delete Message
well i dont know about bad luck but people with jupiter in cancer i have read are prone to have really good luck. i have this placement but i havent had the most perfect luck. what do you guys think.

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Geocosmic* Valentine
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posted September 06, 2009 12:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geocosmic* Valentine     Edit/Delete Message
I have Jupiter in Cancer and I recently had to look back over the years and admit that I have awesome good luck. But my Jupiter is squared by the Sun which is a huge reward aspect.

And if you're talking Magi Astrology, which I don't usually, but it makes me want to take a deeper look into it, I have what they term A {{{{{Golden Flying Eagle}}}}}

The only other person they use as an example of it is Aaron Spelling. Google "Magi astrology Golden Flying Eagle" and something should come up.

I noticed that Michael Jackson had a Flying Eagle, but it's not golden.

I'll let you all know when I reach Aaron Spelling or Michael Jackson status.

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flyin_free_70
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posted September 06, 2009 01:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for flyin_free_70     Edit/Delete Message
hmmm, very interesting GeoCosmic...so how did you find out that you have a Golden Flying Eagle? Is there a place online where we can get free Magi Astrology charts done?

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Geocosmic* Valentine
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posted September 06, 2009 02:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geocosmic* Valentine     Edit/Delete Message
I highly doubt you can get a free Magi chart online. They keep they're stuff on lock down as best they can but you can look at a regular chart and see the same measurements. It's the kind of aspect formation that doesn't need declinations or the - dang, I forgot the name of the chart but it starts with an H. It's late so I can't remember it. If you go to their site you can see it.

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iQ
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posted September 08, 2009 05:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message
He has Asteroid FORTUNA exactly square Saturn, hence more misfortune than normal.

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aka Kat
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posted September 08, 2009 06:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aka Kat     Edit/Delete Message
I think this is the type of question that takes a therapist to figure out - Sabotage, avoiding responsibility, lack of attention. My guess it was learned early on from his family situation and his temperment. No good or bad luck involved.

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lechien
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posted September 08, 2009 08:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lechien     Edit/Delete Message
DepTaurus, i got Jupiter in Cancer too! and i also did read that it's a lucky placement. more over Jupiter is my chart ruler.

luck is something that is a constant theme in my life, good or bad. i'm either super lucky or super UNlucky, but as someone put it, the fact that i always survive with only a scratch is a factor that i am lucky.

after reading IQ's mention of Fortuna, i checked mine and it is conjunct my DSC ruler Mercury and exactly opposite Jupiter in Cancer. so this kinda explains the push and pull in luck. but, luck rules my chart, i think. (i want to think)

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etherealenlightenment
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posted September 08, 2009 06:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for etherealenlightenment     Edit/Delete Message
Well, I personally really sympathize with your ex, flying_free, because truth be told, I'm the same way... and I definitely do not WISH it upon myself... I try to be a very positive person most of the time and am optimistic!

btw, IQ, I also have Fortuna square Saturn. Maybe that's why.

I just have had a lot of really bizarre things happen to me in my life! out of nowhere! I'm only 19... I've already moved 19 times, back and forth between 3 countries and 3 continents 8 times... been to 17 schools and 5 high schools... and neither of those relocations have been MY choice... my life has been a soap opera since literally the day I was born... LONG story... trouble just ALWAYS seems to find me... I constantly have a new and bizarre ailment that the doctors are stumped by... and people never understand... it's almost like they don't believe me... "so you had what, now, happen to you?? How is it that something is always happening to you?" I always say I have no idea, but, well trying to be positive, at least it makes things interesting!

Although, I do have Jupiter in Cancer, and this does cushion the blow a bit... While I have extremely weird and bad luck, there are also very prominent bursts of AMAZINGLY good luck here and there every once in a while...

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DepTaurus
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posted September 08, 2009 06:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DepTaurus     Edit/Delete Message
if you have fortuna square saturn then i must two.
yepp aries in the 9th house 28.33 square saturn in capricorn 25.11

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iQ
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posted September 12, 2009 06:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message
Hi EA,
Can I have your Natal Chart Details?
It is possible that the Vedic Direction of your chart quickly entered the Saturn phase.
This one is 19 years long.

To get different results in life, you have to try different things. Health drastically improves by over-dosing on organic vitamin C especially through tibetan Goji berries.
I mean serious over dosing, 10 grams a day of Vitamin C, anything less wont show dramatic effects. The enlightened soul will take organic Vitamin E capsules and Riboflavinoids from Red Wine or Grape Seed extract or even Pine Bark Extract along with the vitamin C to get a 500% increase in antioxidant activity.

80% Alkaline Diet and yogic breathing will eradicate any viral or bacterial remnants causing ill health. Just holding your breath for 1-2 minutes about 5-6 times can destroy the flu virus [provided some excess Vitamin C also is ingested].

Avoiding GM food, aspartame and fluoride laced water helps too.

Last bt not the least, correct chakra colour visualization to balance the 7 chakras helps maintain your good health.

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etherealenlightenment
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posted September 19, 2009 05:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for etherealenlightenment     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you so much IQ!! I sincerely apologize if it seems like I completely neglected your reply! My busy schedule coupled with my scatterbrain memory don't make for a good mix!

Anyway, here is my chart!! Thank you so much in advance!

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scrappydog
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posted September 19, 2009 05:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for scrappydog     Edit/Delete Message
My life has always seemed to be choc full of regular periods of catastrophy, tragedy, or some type of calamity. I attribute this mainly to sun conj pluto and moon square saturn and uranus. I seem to have to have these cataclysmic events of great pain and calamity in order to regenerate and continuously transform myself. I almost have to kill myself off in order to live again. I'm not sure if this is bad luck or just some karmic dept of having such a powerful pluto and transneptunian energy in my chart.

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etherealenlightenment
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posted September 19, 2009 06:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for etherealenlightenment     Edit/Delete Message
I understand what you are saying, scrappydog, and I guess as we established in the last thread, we have some similar aspects. I'm the exact same way... It's like JUST when you think everything is about to calm down... BOOM! Something happens right out of the blue and changes everything... at least that's how it's been for me... I think that people without these certain aspects can never really understand.

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