posted September 05, 2009 02:37 PM         

I would think your conjunctions to ASC and NN would give you an intense independence and an ability to wield magic, through the fierce sense of wanting to peel away the surface of things. The placement could initially make you come off as a raving b*tch! Or at least to people who are threatened by that kind of power. Since it's your AC rather than your Sun or another personal planet, your Lilith energy would manifest most in how you begin new things, and how you come across in the beginning or on the surface. But with the Nodal conjunction, something about that Lilith energy is also a big part of your destiny.

I would read up on Lilith as a copntroversial mythological figure. Like many mythological and historical woman who were powerful, could wield magic, and were not "nice", she was a grave threat to the order of things.

My own Liliths are not prominent natally, although BML is pretty much the only thing I've got in my 1st house.

Benedict Moon posted a thread about her Liliths (both conjunct her Moon) recently--did you find it? Hopefully she will weigh in here.

posted September 05, 2009 02:42 PM         

I also have asteroid lilith conj my DC/ANGEL and It opposite my sun. I have psyche in that conj but I think its to far away just from lilith. I am unsure if its count. Lilith 12 and psyche 8, DC and ANGEL 10,5. I must say I cant find out how It shows out in my life. There is no special in my 7 house in my life in aqua.

true BML in capricorn but there is no aspect to no other planet. Its in my 6 house.

posted September 05, 2009 03:00 PM         

i feel like what it represents for me is some kind of latent feminine power. not frilly-sweet femininity, but the kind that pierces through all the bullshat and celebrates true femininity. it's like part of me is screaming at the world 'wake the eff up!' and wants all women to feel strong and powerful without a need to play the games we all tend to play in seeking security and union with men. to get women to really love themselves and command respect from men, rather than feeling we must resort to competition between ourselves, or playing into the crap abstractions men tend to make of the thing called 'love'. based in their feeling the need to compete within their own gender, etc. so that we may, thusly, relax into our unions with men without the worries and the games threatening to tear it apart. to make strength, dignity, and a radiance that does not depend on diminishing anyone else's light a priority. to celebrate what is and enjoy it, fully.

something like that. i feel this in me really strongly but i tend to not do much about it. though i always feel the need to write about it or something. get it out.

posted September 05, 2009 03:33 PM         

"During my years of astrological practice, I have come to use the Dark Moon in all my chart analyses, as a complement to interpretating the Moon. It would never occur to me to neglect this influence. The Dark Moon describes our relationship to the absolute, to sacrifice as such, and shows how we let go. In transit, the Dark Moon indicates some form of castration or frustration, frequently in the areas of desire, a powerlessness of the psyche, or a general inhibition. On the other hand, it shows where we question ourselves, our lives, our jobs, and our beliefs. I feel this is important, since it gives us the opportunity to "let go" of something. The Dark Moon shows where we can let the Whole flow into our selves, without putting an "I" in the way, without putting up a wall in the form of ego. At the same time, it doesn't indicate passivity - on the contrary - it symbolizes the firm will to be open and trusting, to let the Greater World flow through one, relying entirely on the great laws of the universe, on that which we name God. To prepare us for this opening, the Dark Moon creates a necessary void."

Again, I'm still hazy on interpreting this WITHIN a chart, i.e. with certain planets and angles so this discussion is helpful.

Lucia- yeah interestingly I do notice that people are usually surprised when they get to know me that I'm quite amicable and friendly- which makes me think that I do come off as a raving b*tch initially haha, oh well. But yeah I seem to have to go out of my way to like, clear that up or something with people when we first meet because I noticed people seem to assume the worst of me otherwise. That might be all in my head though? Actually maybe not I'm thinking back to a couple of people who to one degree or another said they were intimidated by me or just got a not so nice vibe from me before they really knew me

posted September 05, 2009 03:44 PM         

I think BML is the one that shows up on Astro.com's pull-down menu, right under Vertex (and has that special symbol? it's what comes up in my 1st house)...asteroid Lilith (1181) has to be typed in numerically, and reads in the chart as Lilith...or am I just getting really confused? I'm not able to find a third Lilith anywhere.

posted September 05, 2009 03:48 PM         

another interesting read.

posted September 05, 2009 03:50 PM         

mean Black Moon Lilth
true Black Moon Lilth
asteroid Lilith

posted September 05, 2009 03:50 PM         

My second man. His asteorid lilith conj my moon, nessus exact.

posted September 05, 2009 03:59 PM         

h13 Osculating Lunar Apogee ("True" Lilith / Black Moon)
h21 Interpolated Lunar Apogee (Lilith), also called 'Natural Apogee'
h22 Interpolated Lunar Perigee (Priapus), also called 'Natural Perigee'

h58 Waldemath Black Moon

posted September 05, 2009 04:08 PM         

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posted October 11, 2006 02:06 PM

There are tree points and a body.
2 Black Moon Liliths: one is mean BML (Lilith on additional objects list in astro.com) the other is true BML (h13 Osculating Lunar Apogee on the list of "hypothetical" planets )

asteroid Lilith (#1181 on the list of named asteroids)

and Dark Moon Lilith (h58 Waldemath Black Moon on the list of "hypothetical" planets)

In my opinion, BML represents the subconscious part of our mind or the Unknown, its a hightly individual point in the chart, it is something that makes us different from others. BML also represents our anima/animus figure which is very interesting for synastry charts comparison. A relationship under the influence of BML may grow into a dangerous liaison, into a painful, intense, obsessive or strange love affair.

Which of them to use true or mean? The true is the more accurate placement but an ephemeris for it has only been available for about 10 years so not as much work has been done using it.
From my personal experience, I can say mean BML does work and manifests itself in transits and synastry quite noticeably! As for true BML, I haven't studied it properly yet.

Asteroid Lilith indicates where a person does not fit the cultural stereotype, leading to some kind of exile from the community, where we struggle with social judgments. In synastry, it can provoke confrontations with gender role stereotypes or a non-submissive disposition with regard to gender roles, personal independence and the use of sex as a weapon of vengeance or domination or maybe even lack of sexual commitment.

posted September 05, 2009 04:19 PM         

my exhusbands and sex. Not a problem at all. It was the only in the relationships as working out well in all of the year we stay togheter

posted September 05, 2009 04:20 PM         

Well....I am a male with strong female traits with My Sun aspecting not only the Moon,but also the apogee of the Moon. I don't fit the stereotypes of males whatsoever. I have high estrogen levels for a male reflected by index fingers than ring fingers which suggest being more exposed to estrogen in my mother's womb.

I am feminist for I do believe in gender equality and support women's rights. I am a member of NOW (National Organization for Women) and donate monthly to the Equality action fund. I believe in equality in general.

I do have a rebellious streak,and I am a bit of nonconformist.

Like the clairvision intepretations say for Sun conjunct Black Moon Lilith, my father was absent for I never knew my father. I fought against my stepfather who was very controlling. I haven't seen my stepfather since 1990. My stepfather had trust issues with women connected to his past of getting screwed over by 2 ex wives. My mother was his 3rd wife.

With Sun indicating the father, it could explain my father. My biological father was an extremely sensitive,emotional man. He was also a nonconformist type too. He was highly superstitious too. Of course,these same traits are me too. They relate to my ego,self expression,vitality. My mom told me that I am very much like my father even though I never knew him.

My mother has strong Lilith traits of her own,and I was pretty dominated by her. I think the true Black Moon Lilith conjunct Sun my indicates the dominating mother influence that overshadowed my masculinity quite a bit.

I am attracted to feminist type of women.

my exgirlfriend,Meghann is a feminist. Her mother is one of the feminists who strongly dislikes men because she was hurt by Meghann's father.

I wouldn't be surprised if I had more female pastlives than male pastlives. I could have strong karmic lessons,contracts with women. The t-square of Moon in Pisces in 6th square the opposition of retrograde Saturn in Gemini in 9th and Jupiter-Neptune in Sagittarius in 3rd.
With 4 transneptunians in major aspect to my Moon (Quaoar in 2'22 Scorpio trine,Ixion in 5'25 Scorpio trine,retrograde Sedna in 2'06 Taurus sextile,retrograde Varuna in 3'01 Gemini square), my intensified evolutionary lessons,experiences greatly involve women.

I have 4 asteroids named after mythological women in conjunction to my Sun within 1 degree, and so my Sun is dominated by female archetypal energies.

Aurora in 4'27 Scorpio
named after the Roman Goddess of the Dawn, daughter of Hyperion and Theia, sister of the Sun God,Sol and the Moon Goddess,Luna.

Iphigenia in 4'44 Scorpio
named after the daughter of King Agamemnon and Queen Clytemnestra, was sacrificed by Agamemnon to the gods for fairs winds to Troy

Selquet in 4'44 Scorpio
named after the Egyptian Scorpion Goddess,goddess of healing stings and bites,protector of the dead, later said to be an aspect of Isis.

Ariadne in 5'03 Scorpio
named after the Princess of Crete that aided Theseus in killing her maternal half-brother, the Minotaur,was abandoned by Thesus and married Dionysus,the God of Wine

Athor in 6'15 Scorpio
named after Egyptian Goddess of Love and Fertility

The South Eris Node in 5'30 Scorpio is conjunct my Sun. Therefore, I have strong connection to the collective in regards to female archetypal energy. ...possibly strong collective pastlife connection. The transneptunian object,Eris is named after the Greek Goddess of Discord.
I believe it adds to the theme of equality as well as divergence,diversity,dialectics,ideology. I was born exactly 5 years after the founding of National Organization for Women which was on October 29, 1966. I was born in 1971. Therefore, the organization has Sun conjunct South Eris Node in Scorpio. Eris with it being associated with equality,controversy,discord,and with it being a female archetype that wasn't known for having relationships with males nor seemed to fit the conventional female stereotypes seem like it can be related to women's rights just as much as Lilith.

Raymond

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“It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status.

In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.

posted September 05, 2009 04:44 PM         

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In my opinion, BML represents the subconscious part of our mind or the Unknown, its a hightly individual point in the chart, it is something that makes us different from others. BML also represents our anima/animus figure which is very interesting for synastry charts comparison. A relationship under the influence of BML may grow into a dangerous liaison, into a painful, intense, obsessive or strange love affair.

Which of them to use true or mean? The true is the more accurate placement but an ephemeris for it has only been available for about 10 years so not as much work has been done using it.
From my personal experience, I can say mean BML does work and manifests itself in transits and synastry quite noticeably! As for true BML, I haven't studied it properly yet.

Asteroid Lilith indicates where a person does not fit the cultural stereotype, leading to some kind of exile from the community, where we struggle with social judgments. In synastry, it can provoke confrontations with gender role stereotypes or a non-submissive disposition with regard to gender roles, personal independence and the use of sex as a weapon of vengeance or domination or maybe even lack of sexual commitment.

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Interesting. My BML is in my 1st house, and I very much relate to descriptions of it.

But my asteroid Lilith is in my 7th house (as are my Moon, Saturn, Venus, and Vertex), and I don't relate to this description of the asteroid in that spot in my own life very much.