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DepTaurus
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posted September 12, 2009 02:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DepTaurus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
for some reason i am having a dwad fetish right now. but i think its really important to know about dwads.i think they can tell us about our relationships with friends,family,romantic lovers and enemies.
i found this on the internet i dont own this and nor do i want to claim any ownership.
p.s i couldnt ever pull off writing something like this lol.

We are often attracted to people who manifest in their personalities some characteristics that we have within us without having been able to express them. Those people, by their mere presence, activate our own inner resources, thus unexpressed potentials in our dwad-charts. Often dwads reveal the inner magnetism between people, sometimes even truest soul bonds ever found, but because of their unconscious nature dwads may also reflect projections that can create illusory expectations.

Any time you see very irrational behavior between two people, look at their dwads, and it may not feel so irrational anymore. You could also look at dwads when your friends - or even your pets - show some strange behavior patterns. If for instance your cat is more attached to one of your friends than to any other, compare your cat's dwads with your friend's dwads, and you'll often know why. The radix may show the behavior, but not necessarily what motivates the outer behavior. Dwads show what drives you from within, and also how you are connected with others beneath the surface.

Dwads often reflect characteristics we meet again and again, in all our relationships, the more so the less we are aware of our own dwads. It's like we were all the time searching for others who reflect what we have deep within, thus our dwads. We somehow instictively feel that in the company of people with strong dwad-aspects to our own charts we will be able to learn more about ourselves. And that really happens, dwads often reflect true psychic harmony, inner similary between people, they sho us those who are our 'soul mates'...

And perhaps also our 'soul enemies' so to speak. Thus they also show kind of fake soul mates, which we ourselves create by projecting unconsciously our dwads onto others without any true similarity. These fake soul mate contacts can often be recognized because of their compulsive nature, there is fascination, we feel drawn to them even if we do not want to. They somehow overpower us without intending to do so. In true soul mate contacts there is no compulsion, just natural and spontaneous affinity and intense communion.

Friends who resonate with your dwads express something deep within you. There is usually a strong attraction and mutual identification between people who have either mutual dwad-conjunctions or dwad-radix conjunctions. But there are even other ways dwads can influence your sympathies. Strong dwad-conjunctions on your own dwad-chart often create sympathetic feelings towards the planetary type in question, for instance with Sun-Mars in your dwads, you will have a natural sympathy for Arians or Sun-Mars types in general, with Sun-Pluto in dwads for Scorpions, with Sun-Venus for Taureans or Librans...

Classical Sun-Moon combinations are often stronger if either Light is in dwads. Especially dwads Sun-Moon combinations can create a very strong and deep mutual identification. For instance Maija Isola, Finnish textile designer, has both her Sun and Moon conjoined with Armi Ratia's corresponding lights in dwads: "I think that I design all my cloths for Armi [Ratia]. She was my public, and she paid... When Armi died, they showed my cloths on television. It felt strange. Which one of us actually died?"

A Finnish theosophist, Pekka Ervast had a similar synastry with Annie Besant. Ervast said that he had a corner in his room where he used to sit and philosophize. On one wall there was a painting with Väinämöinen and Aino (figures in Kalevala, The Finnish national epic), on another wall there was a large picture of Mrs. Besant. "Every morning I greet her with a nod and wish her good morning. I never stopped loving her..."

Often the radix person admires the dwad person, for instance Peter Sellers' (Virgo) ideal was Stanley Kubrick (dwad-Virgo) and George S. Scott (Libra) admired Bette Davis (dwad-Libra) more than any other actor. It may also go the other way around - dwads admiring the radix but often with mixed feelings: [Edmond Rostand, Aries] is the only man I'm capable of admiring even though I detest him. - Jules Renard (dwad-Aries)

What a wonderful thing it is to have a good friend. He identifies your innermost desires and spares you the embarrassment of disclosing them to him yourself. - LaFontaine

When you meet someone with dwad-Sun conjunct your own dwad-Sun, it may feel like you met your inner soul mate, often there is immediate mutual understanding. For instance, Vita Sackville-West, who had this conjunction with her husband, Harold Nicolson, said that her husband understood her in everything.

People with this conjunction usually have a similar way of expressing their creativity, thus their 'recognize' themselves in each other's creative products. For instance Anais Nin, who had her dwad-Sun in conjunct with Edith Wharton's dwad-Sun, wrote after reading Edith Wharton's book: It appealed to me because it is written exactly as I would like to write ..

Dwad-Sun conjunctions create intensity, often kind of either-or contacts, indifference is very rare. Because of the unconsciousness involved they can also create strong obsessions as happened, for instance, between Truman Capote and Andy Warhol. Capote and Warhol had their dwad-Suns in conjunction. When Warhol came to New York he used to stand outside Capote's house waiting for Capote to come out. "He nearly drove me crazy", wrote Truman Capote

We do not often meet people who resonate with us both on the spiritual and on the soul level, but when we meet such persons, we never forget them. They stay forever in our inner lives, we feel good in remembering them. The more we know such people, the more lovelier we create our own inner world. They are people who share our deepest longings, who find meaning in same things we do... They make us feel more alive than ever. And in their company we really are more alive...

"A soul mate is someone who has locks that fit our keys, and keys to fit our locks. When we feel safe enough to open the locks, our truest selves step out and we can be completely and honestly who we are; we can be loved for who we are and not for who we're pretending to be. Each unveils the best part of the other." - Richard Bach

One strong astrological indication of such a contact is the Sun and Moon conjunctions in dwads mentioned above. Bertrand Russell and Joseph Conrad had this dwad conjunction. In their first meeting the conversation became more and more intimate, says Russell, who had never experienced anything of the kind. They felt like sinking deeper and deeper until each one found the inner fire. They looked at each other, half terrified, half dazed in being together on such an area. The feeling was all-encompassing and as strong as a passionate love. Afterwards Russell was confused and had difficulties in adapting again to daily life.

If you add Neptune to dwad-contacts, you get deepest inner contacts possible. Carlyle and Tennyson had Sun-Neptune contact both in the radix and in dwads: Carlyle's Sun was on Tennyson's Neptune, Tennyson's dwad-Sun on Carlyle's dwad-Neptune. They used sometimes to sit for hours without a word, they just smoked their pipes. Only their eyes reflected their inner happenings. The first time they spoke was when they thanked each other for a nice evening and agreed to meet again.

Such rare deep inner encounters are refreshing and spiritually uplifting for both partners, they are able to kindle each other's inner spirit. And also enhance their creative abilities or otherwise support each other's best qualities. But, of course, there are also cases in which such a deep contact may activate indiscriminately every impulse they have deep within, perhaps even the worst qualities, unless they are not aware of what is happening between them. Knowing your own dwads gives you an unique chance to peek into the inner side of your relationships - and to find and to recognize those rare people that really are your soul mates.

i found this so intresting i hope you do too.dwads are very very important i dont think we should rule anything ou when it comes to astrology.

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DD
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posted September 12, 2009 05:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree.


Actually I read a post of another astrologer on the Noel Tyl site, who thinks the Duads are the explanation for onesided attractions or attractions in general.
She sais that you will be attracted, if someone`s natal planets stimulate your Duads. As I understood it from her post it has to be the same sign.
Well, I personally would include the opposition, too (opposites attract after all), but I definitely agree with her,t hat it is the Duad person who feels most
affected.


EDIt:
I found an interesting article on Duads and Twins.
http://www.internationalastrologers.com/twins.htm

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posted September 12, 2009 03:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OMG i have dwad sun EXACT TRINE dwad sun

no wonder we feel like we do

Edited cos i wrote down the wrong aspect!

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posted September 13, 2009 09:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmm, I don´t think a trine is all that strong, neither in natals nor in Duads.
But of course it shows that there is basic compatibility, a feeling of ease and certain similiarity, as it is the same element.


Let me put it like this: a trine is nice, but not exciting.

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posted September 13, 2009 09:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cool DD. I don't mind cos we have those opposing signs in AC/decan/dwad which i think are more interesting. We have a sun/venus exact cj too.

I think Dwads are interesting for type - but too dilute for anything major.

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posted September 13, 2009 09:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Actually, as I have researched some synastries by now, I start thinking that Duads are far more important, than we ever givent hem credit for.

But of course the natal and tropical synastry will be on the forefront. Definitely. It is what we can see.
The Duads are more like the melody in the background, leading into a deeper realm.

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posted September 13, 2009 09:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, i would agree there in levels of importance!

How do you feel about comparing draco dwads/natals?

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posted September 13, 2009 09:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jeez, I think that would get too crowded for starters, but of course it owuld be relevant, too, but only talking in Draco terms.

If Draco`s are symbolic of past lives, maybe it would enlighten what is behind the events, an even deeper layer.

If Draco`s are seen as spiritual, it also leads in an even deeper spiritual sphere.

But at one point everything will mean everything.


Same thing with asteroids; I come more and more to the conclusion to only use a very small set of asteroids in a basic comparision.

I wouldn`t want to do without:
Juno
Valentine
Eros
Psyche
Karma
Destinn

Especially, since I have those to be prominent in most relationships ina consistent way.

The others, are nice, but if we really use 2000 or more in each chart, it will get a bit arbitrary.

But it depends on how many details we want to look at.

If I wanted to look at potential sexual attraction, I definitely would look at different asteroids than if I am mainly interested in true love and soulmate-connections, or past lives in a particular timeline.

Yet, I think there needs to be a BASIC set, before we can expand.


Duads are different though, as they are just another angle on the already existing planets.

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posted September 13, 2009 09:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I also concentrate on my natal Duad chart for the moment.

There are some very interesting things coming up.

Sun, Mercury and SN in Libra in 8th house

Saturn-Pluto conjunction in Capricorn in 12th house quinkunx Moon in Leo on the DESC

chartruler Uranus in Scorpio in 9th house conjunct Psyche

Venus in Pisces in 1st house trine Jupiter in Cancer in 5th house

ruler of 5th, 7th and 8th house all in 8th house.


Let`s just say it DOES make sense

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posted September 13, 2009 09:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks DD, that does make sense

Sorry, have to go - kids running riot!

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posted June 22, 2011 01:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ariscopisgrl87     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted June 22, 2011 01:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for samsaoule     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ariscopisgrl87:
*BUMP!*

What's a dwad???

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posted June 22, 2011 02:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls**     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dwads: Each sign is divided up again into 12 signs. So you can be an Aqua Sun in the Virgo dwad of Aquarius (like me).

They're a b*tch to calculate though (you can get exact dwad degrees and this says A LOT about who you attract... for instance, I tend to attract people with stuff around 20-23 Virgo... I always thought it was my SN but it's also because my Sun is at the 21 Virgo dwad of Aquarius).

Google dwad or duad for more info.

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posted June 22, 2011 02:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for samsaoule     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by amowls**:
Dwads: Each sign is divided up again into 12 signs. So you can be an Aqua Sun in the Virgo dwad of Aquarius (like me).

They're a b*tch to calculate though (you can get exact dwad degrees and this says A LOT about who you attract... for instance, I tend to attract people with stuff around 20-23 Virgo... I always thought it was my SN but it's also because my Sun is at the 21 Virgo dwad of Aquarius).

Google dwad or duad for more info.


Thanks
Do you know a website where to get our dwads chart?

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posted June 22, 2011 02:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yrone     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ehrm, I am not sure I understand this correctly.

Say, Person X has the Sun on the Sag dwad of his sign and Person Z has Neptune at the same degree as the Sun but in Sag, would that be a connection? Or does it have to go both ways?

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posted June 22, 2011 02:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for samsaoule     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Yrone:
Ehrm, I am not sure I understand this correctly.

Say, Person X has the Sun on the Sag dwad of his sign and Person Z has Neptune at the same degree as the Sun but in Sag, would that be a connection? Or does it have to go both ways?


Good question I am still inquiring.

Btw, I found a calculator for dwads (see the link inside the text): http://aliceportman.com/?p=606

Then, I took a blank chart from the Internet, printed it and now, I put planets on it by hand...

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posted June 22, 2011 03:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DepTaurus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
wow is this thread old or what.

mine is taurus sun pisces dwad.

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posted June 22, 2011 03:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AriesSun     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How about, do you accept dwads for your own personality or just only for soulmate-connections?

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posted June 22, 2011 03:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yrone     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How about ...

... do you consider duads conjunct/opposite natal midpoints?

Like dwad sun conj. sun/moon midpoint?

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posted June 22, 2011 04:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DepTaurus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i honestly dont know i read the article thats all. i wish i knew so i can help you guys but i dont hve much knowledge on the subject.

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posted June 22, 2011 04:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for samsaoule     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My dwad sun is in Virgo conjunct Jupiter and Vertex. According to what is written above, I attract virgo sun people much more than I am attracted to them (true in reality) and I am attracted to Sagittarius and vertex people. True as well: I love Sagittarius and I have been deeply attracted recently by a sun-vertex guy though I don’t know the meaning of a sun-vertex personality.

His dwad ASC conjunct my dwad sun-vertex-jupiter, and my dwad ASC conjunct his sun. Don't know what it means.

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posted June 22, 2011 04:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by samsaoule:
What's a dwad???

YES

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posted June 22, 2011 10:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls**     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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How about ...

... do you consider duads conjunct/opposite natal midpoints?

Like dwad sun conj. sun/moon midpoint?


No. Doesn't make much of a difference. Dwads are just mini magnets, sort of. You attract/absorb the energy of the dwad sign. Dwads just give you more insight into your personality and who you attract.

Think of the natal chart zodiac wheel as the universe, and each dwad sign as a solar system within that universe. The degrees of the dwad don't do much to affect the universe as a whole.

This may help to visualize it like this:

Each color is a different dwad sign.

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posted June 22, 2011 11:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for winter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A local astrologer has written about Duads/Dwads on her website.

It’s a worthwhile read for those interested in this side of astrology.
There is also a nifty duad calculator one can download to do all the calculations for you.

Her website is aliceportman.com and the Duad info in under The Duad System

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posted June 23, 2011 12:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yrone     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by amowls**:
No. Doesn't make much of a difference. Dwads are just mini magnets, sort of. You attract/absorb the energy of the dwad sign. Dwads just give you more insight into your personality and who you attract.

Think of the natal chart zodiac wheel as the universe, and each dwad sign as a solar system within that universe. The degrees of the dwad don't do much to affect the universe as a whole.


Aye ok, so it's really just a bit of added shading, layering or as Ami calls it, spices?

Say my Jupiter is in Aries, but in the Sag decan and dwad, that would make it more Sag like then Aries?

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