posted September 12, 2009 03:30 PM         

Jupiter,Saturn,Uranus,and Neptune are much larger than Earth,Venus,Mars,and Mercury.

Eris,Pluto,Makemake,and Haumea could be the Jupiter,Saturn,Uranus,and Neptune of the dwarf planets when it comes to size.

From all that I read, the key to Pluto's power is it's location as the most outer object in our solar system

Pluto was thought to be the most distant object in our solar system, and so it made sense that Pluto is viewed as having the most profound,metaphysical,psychological influence in Astrology and was associated with power.
Some astrologers even say that it has to do with evolutionary intent. I would say Sedna is all that. After all, it's average distance is the greatest.

It makes sense that Sedna,Orcus,Varuna,Ixion could be in the same astrological and astronomical class as Pluto if you consider size. It's like Earth,Venus,Mars,and Mercury in how they are planets but so much smaller than the gas planets. Therefore,those other transneptunians could be just as powerful in their astrological influences as Pluto which tends to be thought as more powerful than all the planets including the largest planet,Jupiter.

For now, the number of known dwarf planet objects in the solar system which are likely to be round is 53, with the number jumping to 80 when the objects from our survey are announced, and to 200 when the Kuiper belt is fully surveyed. Mike Brown says that there is the possibility of up to 200 dwarf planets in the kuiper belt, and he says that there could be 2000 dwarf planets in the oort cloud.

The more I read about this stuff, the more I think that the great power that astrologers attributed to Pluto is actually the power of the transneptunian region.

I thought about taking out Pluto and just use the planets up to Neptune which is the last official planet.

I have been checking Ceres,Eris,and Sedna regularly in the chart now, thinking that that they have astrological influences that are just as great as Pluto.

it seems that astronomers will be rethinking their dwarf planet criteria

I just can't see Eris,Pluto,Makemake,and Haumea sharing dwarf planet status with 60 or more objects

I wonder how much influence do dwarf planets have in houses all by themselves.

Pluto is definitely said to be a major influence in a house, but it seems that Eris,Makemake,and Haumea would too. Even Sedna,Orcus,Varuna,Quaoar,and Ixion could be major influences in a house.

THE PLANETS
size
average distance

Mercury
4,878 km in diameter
0.39 AU (AU is Astronomical Units......that has to do with distance)

Venus
12,104 km in diameter
0.72 AU

Earth
12,756 km in diameter
1.0 AU

Mars
6,787 km in diameter
1.5 AU

Jupiter
142,800 km in diameter
5.2 AU

Saturn
120,000 km in diameter
9.6 AU

Uranus
51,200 km in diameter
19.2 AU

Neptune
48,600 km in diameter
30.0 AU

DWARF PLANETS
including candidates
size
average distance

Ceres
950 km in diameter
2.8 AU

Orcus
946.3 +74.1−72.3 km
39.34 AU

Pluto
2,390 km in diameter
39.53 AU

Ixion
650,+260,−220 km
< 822 km
39.65 AU

Varuna
800 km in diameter (avg of thermals)
42.90 AU

Haumea
1,960 × 1,518 × 996 km (Keck)
(≈1,436 km (diameter))
1,150 +250−100 km (diameter) (Spitzer)
43.31 AU

Quaoar
1260 ± 190 km (direct)[6]
844+207−190 km (thermal)
43.58 AU

Makemake
1,300–1,900 km in diameter
45.66 AU

Eris
2,500 km in diameter
67.69 AU

Sedna
1,200–1,600 in diameter
<1,600 km
486.0 AU

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted September 12, 2009 03:57 PM         

What's the significance of February 11, 1999 for Pluto?

On February 11, Pluto will move farther from the Sun than Neptune, regaining its status as the most distant planet in the solar system. JPL astronomers calculate that it will take place at 2:08 am Pacific Time. Pluto will maintain its title of "most distant planet" for the next 228 years. Neptune has been the farthest planet for the past 20 years (since February 7, 1979

An entire generation born with Neptune as the most distant. All of this plays for me, discovery date, path, and size.

posted September 12, 2009 04:23 PM         

big transneptunian objects besides Pluto weren't found until 2000.

many objects orbit well beyond Pluto. Those are the cubewanos which are the classical kuiper belt objects, scattered disk objects, and detached objects

Eris is larger than Pluto, and it orbits well beyond Pluto. If Pluto is a planet, then Eris should be too. Both are classed as dwarf planets.

At aphelion (when it is at its farthest point of its orbit from the Sun) of 49 AU, Pluto doesn't come near the distance of Eris' aphelion of 97 AU. It can get past the distance of Eris' perihelion (when it is at its closest point of its orbit from the Sun) of 37 AU.

As of 2009, Eris is at 96.7 AU,and that is almost its maximum possible distance. Eris and its moon are currently the most distant known objects in the Solar System apart from long-period comets and space probes.

Pluto definitely doesn't come close to the distance of Sedna.

Sedna's aphelion is 975 AU, Pluto doesn't come close to Sedna's distance in any type of way. That's 19.9 times the distance of Pluto's aphelion. Sedna's perihelion is at 76 AU, and Pluto doesn't come close to that.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted September 14, 2009 09:39 PM         

from wiki->
Neptune has thirteen known moons. The largest by far is Triton, discovered by William Lassell just seventeen days after the discovery of Neptune itself. It took about one hundred years to discover the second natural satellite, Nereid.

Triton is massive enough to have achieved hydrostatic equilibrium, and would be considered a dwarf planet if it were in direct orbit about the SunTriton has a very unusual orbit that is circular but retrograde and inclined. Inward of Triton are six regular satellites, which all have prograde orbits that are not greatly inclined with respect to Neptune's equatorial plane. Some of these orbit among Neptune's ring

Are moons relative in significance only to the planet you are on... I know I'm sounding a little weird here..

posted September 14, 2009 10:13 PM         

Yep

I have a friend who has a program that calculates the planetary moons and even has a report program

http://www.aboi.com/files/PlanetaryCompanions.pdf
http://www.aboi.com/ABOI/

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted September 15, 2009 09:30 AM         

From the PDF-
The basic principle of SELF-EVIDENT ASTROLOGY™ (SEA) is that the meaning of
the heavens is inherent in their physical characteristics and by the same token all
the bodies in the solar system have a meaning.
As can be seen in the chart below, there are a great number of large moons in the
solar system. Several are larger than our own moon. Hence it would seem logical
that if our Moon has so much meaning, why don’t astrologers have meanings for
these large planetary moons?
SEA suggests a logical answer to this question. If we look at a planet with any
rings and moons that it may have and treat this grouping as a planetary system,
the meanings may become more evident. Perhaps one can derive the meanings of
the moons, in particular, by their characteristics. Since the vast majority of the
planetary moons rotate around one of the four gas giants, there is an evident parent/
child relationship between these planets and their moons. Hence it would be
natural to assume a degree of inheritance of meaning from a planet to each of its
moons.
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