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Lara
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posted September 13, 2009 08:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
Someone mentioned earlier comparing composites to the natals and i find this really interesting.

what are your findings and what would be the most important aspects, good and bad

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posted September 13, 2009 08:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
For instance, in my own comparisons i found:

my N MOON/VENUS cj C UNION (4)
my N SATURN/NN cj C UNION (1)
my N MARS cj C SUN (4)
my N CHIRON opp C IC (0)
my N DESTINN cj C DC (3)
my N VALENTINE cj C AC (3)
my N LUST cj C MARS (3)
my N EROS cj C IC (4)
my N EROS opp C CHIRON/AMOR (2)
my N PSYCHE cj C VERTEX (2)
my N UNION cj C SUN (2)
my N UNION opp C VERTEX (2)
my N AMOR cj C NN (2)
my N IC cj C Jupiter (3)
my sun/moon midpoint cj C NN (0)
my draco venus/mars midpoint cj C UNION (0)

his N MERCURY cj C EROS (2)
his N VENUS cj C MARS (4)
his N MARS cj C PSYCHE (3)
his N MARS opp C UNION (1)
his N Jupiter cj C MARS (1)
his N SATURN opp C psyche (1)
his N CHIRON opp C IC (1)
his N VERTEX opp C APHRODITE (3)
his N KARMA cj C JUPITER (2)
his N DESTINN cj C IC (3)
his N VALENTINE cj C VENUS (1)
his N LUST cj C MERCURY/VENUS (2)
his N EROS cj C SATURN (0)
his N EROS opp C PSYCHE (1)
his N AMOR opp C PLUTO (1)
his N AC cj C JUPITER (1)
his VENUS/MARS MIDPOINT cj C MERCURY (1)
his SUN/MOON MIDPOINT cj C SUN (2)

I think it's amazing how the whole fatedness and union of a couple show up in the composite/natal comparison!!

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posted September 13, 2009 10:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cappy1277     Edit/Delete Message
i get contradicting theories on this but i have the book composite charts by john townley. i was reading thru some notes that i made in the back and it said that contacts between natal chart and composite indicate a meaningful chart.it could be life changing. now with my s.o. i have:
composite sun conjunct my venus 0degrees
composite venus conjunct his sun 0 degrees.
composite ascendant conjunct my moon and his saturn
his sun/moon midpoint conjunct composite sun

i almost fell out my chair when i saw the exact conjunctions. what is the probability with that?i have to say that this relationship has been very significant and
i definitely feel that this is something very special. we have our share of ups and downs and we are on and off all the time.

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posted September 13, 2009 12:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message
Like my *guide for this comparison says:

That was definitely worth falling for cappy!

Also Lara has some nice aspects:

my sun/moon midpoint cj C NN (0)
his SUN/MOON MIDPOINT cj C SUN (2)


With my significant other (yesterday he broke my heart - perhaps temporary/t-Venus in leo opposed our natal Mars and so there was a Grand Square to that hell of a Heliocentric Marsnodes) I have:

His Sun/Moon midpoint conj. C Moon (1)
My Sun/Moon midpoint conj. C Sun (1)
His Mars conjunct C Mars (0)
My Mars conjunct C Mars (0)
His Moon conjunct C NN (2)
His Moon conjunct C descendant (2)

I like to keep it clear

So, you can see over here that we have in synastry the Sun-Moon conjunction. Why? Because if there is than there will always appear this natal Sun/Moon-midpoint of one conjunct the C Sun and the S/M-midpoint of the other conjunct the C Moon.


* (cafe astrology):
I look to see if any of the personal composite planet/point positions conjunct the individuals' personal planets and points. For example, if the composite Sun is at 22 degrees Virgo, and one of the individuals has Moon at 20-24 degrees Virgo. If there are 2 or more of these, I consider them powerful signs that the relationship will be a meaningful one. If only one of the individuals receives these aspects, this can be a sign that that person is more attached to the relationship than his/her partner.

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posted September 13, 2009 12:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
WOW CAPPY!!!!!!! lol
That is awesome!


Mir
Thanks.
It's interesting because my sun/moon midpoint is also cj exact my natal sun and venus/mars midpoint and exact cj his natal NN! lol So it's like a complete circle

You also have some FAB aspects.

wow - is this coincidence or something more?

I'm going to check our midpoint aspects again because we too have a sun/moon conjunct in synastry !

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posted September 13, 2009 02:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for popcorn     Edit/Delete Message
Lara. It's looks like a strong relationship. With all the connection to natal it must give both of you all the physical and psychic satisfaction.

Why don't you count square , trine and sextile? I beleve in trine, sextile and square in composite also but only in tight aspect.

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posted September 13, 2009 02:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
Popcorn -
you are right? why did i not count the squares etc? I'll look.
I'm just doing the sabian symbols for the composite and i am just stuck staring at the AC sabian

AC 18’ cancer – A Priest Performing A Marriage Ceremony


LOL now if that doesn't say it all i don't know what will!!!

This also is dropping my jaw
NEPTUNE 24’ scorpio – An X-Ray Photograph

MOON 1’ Taurus – An Electrical Storm


When we met we BOTH said it was like a bolt of lightning!

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posted September 13, 2009 03:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
Sounds really great, Lara.

And yes, you should check your midpoints. At least those involving Sun, Moon, Venus and ASC, I ahve found these very enlightening.

Also composite planets conjunct natal planets can illusstrate why people may react differently to the same relationship.

In someone`s and my composite I have found that,

C-Moon is conjunct his Chiron and Saturn
C-Pluto is conjunct his Uranus
C-Sun is conjunct his Sun

And the current Saturn-Uranus-opposition comes into play.

Transit Saturn is conjunct the C-Pluto AND his natal Uranus
Transit Uranus is conjunct C-Moon and his natal Saturn
Transit Pluto is conjunct C-Sun and his Sun.


What`s that about?
Well, and I thought I was being stressed out by this transiting nightmare.


EDIT:
lara,
what is the sabian of the composite MC?
I once read that it relates to the "final result" of a relationship, but that astrologer used the Davison rather than the composite. Maybe it is worth checking both?

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posted September 13, 2009 04:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
Hi DD
It is great - it's almost surreal it's so wonderful, thank you

Davison MC - 29-30 deg Virgo
Totally Intent Upon Completing An Immediate Task, A Man Is Deaf To Any Allurement

composite MC - 29-30 deg Pisces
A Majestic Rock Formation Resembling A Face Is Idealized By A Boy Who Takes It As His Ideal Of Greatness, And As He Grows Up, Begins To Look Like It.

WOW i love the Composite one

Yes, transits to composite are amazing. I find them interesting at 1st meeting, marriage, baby etc.

Also pr composite for date you meet. We have:
Pr AC - A Large Camel Is Seen Crossing A Vast And Forbidding Desert
(he is from Saudi Arabia) LOL!!!
Pr SUN - Game Birds Feathering Their Nests
Pr MOON - A Fellowship Supper Reunites Old Comrades
Pr MC - A Young Couple Window Shopping
Pr IC - Miners Are Surfacing From A Deep Coal Mine

hmmm sounds like soul mates coming back together and settling down :O

I will look up those midpoints, thank you.

I don't know what your Uranus aspects would mean other than possibly breaking a "state" or breaking through - clarity? Does any of that make sense?
The Uranus/Moon might be a freeing of emotions with the ability to see the relationship in a new light?!?!

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posted September 13, 2009 04:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
DD

Do you know anything about HEKATE. IQ mentioned it on the psychic thread and i've TOTALLY freaked myself out

This guy and i have
Hekate cj SUN DW very close orb!

I googled it and it said something about black magic!
We also have utopia/sun DW so maybe, just maybe that will lessen the impact of Hekate lol

EDIT
OMG the composite venus/mars midpoint is exact conjunct the AC @24' Leo. (A Large Camel Is Seen Crossing A Vast And Forbidding Desert)
cj my N jupiter
opposing my solstice karma exact
opposing my 9th harmonic SUN exact
EXACT opposing my AC DWAD!!

cj his draco DESTINN
cj exact his solstice NN

LOL permission to freak OUT!

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posted September 13, 2009 04:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
I don΄t see Hekate as negative.

You know about the three aspects of the Goddess I think?
The maiden, the mother and the crone?
Well, Hekate would be the crone, the wise woman, who has seen mcuh and knows much.

She also seems to be some kind of guide when you come to a crossroad.


Well, I have Hekate conjunct Lilith, making a grand trine with Venus-Isis-Osiris and Lucifer and opposing Ceres-Pholus-Ishtar (so it is actually a Kite)

Draco Hekate and Lilith are conjunct my Sun and Merlin on the GC.

But really, I haven`t noticed any bad impact of her on my life.

I found this article interesting:
http://www.llewellyn.com/journal/article/853


Also, I think Hekate is a powerful symbol and may relate to magic, yes. but power and magic in itself are neither bad nor good. It depends on for which purposes those are being used.
And of course every energy, every power, everything can be mis-used, and in that case Heakte could also relate to black magic, yes. But it is a perversion of her original meaning I think.

I am not sure what it means in synastry, but would be interested to find out, cause I just realized that someone`s Mercury is conjunct my Hekate and Lilith, while his Uranus and Eros are square my Hekate and Lilith.

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posted September 13, 2009 04:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
Sorry DD, i went back and edited my previous post and then saw your new post

You have some very interesting HEKATE links going on there.
I wonder if this is one of the reasons for your acute insight into astrology and any other off beat, slightly spiritually occult theme?

I'm relieved you have all that and don't feel any negativity
It's reassuring lol
I mean lilith, sun and merlin on your draco hekate is kind of AWESOME! :O

Maybe my telepathy with my guy is linked to this aspect then and vice versa as we are both able to see straight through each other and feel each other all the time even though at the moment we are 4,000 miles apart.
Interesting

PS thanks for article - am reading it now!

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posted September 14, 2009 11:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
Lara,

"I wonder if this is one of the reasons for your acute insight into astrology and any other off beat, slightly spiritually occult theme?"
yes, it could be. But I think it is a mix of different things. Neptune on ASC, NN, Atlantis and Angel may play a role.
Psyche may play a role, at least now. It is on 24 Aquarius EXACT on my Duad ASC and has been visited by Jupiter, Chiron and Neptune recently, which acted kind of as a trigger for me.
Circe and Merlin on my Sun and Mercury on the GC may be a reason, especially since they are conjunct that Draco Hekate and Draco Lilith.
Or maybe even Kassandra exact conjunct DNA.

But yes, I find Hekate to be pretty intriguing.

"I'm relieved you have all that and don't feel any negativity"
No, not at all. But I must admit that when I was younger I have had difficulties in getting along with other girls. Something about me made them want to either "pull me onto their side" or "destroy me".
I guess that is a price you pay for being different, or actually I think it was more that I wouldn`t "compromise my truth".

And I also, well, I am not proud of it, but I tasted a bit of Hekate`s dark side I guess; some girl once had been doing me wrong repeatedly (and of course it did involve a boy, too), and I got my revenge by scaring her, using my "imaginative powers"; I didn`t really DO anything to her, I just was telling her some things about ghosts and spirits and vampires, and apparently I was so convincing, that she got really scared.
WEll, I stopped doing it as soon as I had become aware of what I was doing, and I have been paying the price for this myself (in the form of "tasting fear myself" of course).

In another instance I had a younger friend, and when we`ve had some spiritual experiences together, or actually me reading not only her mind but someone else`s mind, she was so impressed with me, that I could have told her to do basically anything, and she probably would have; would have believed me anything.
There was a taste of power and I was very scared of that. I instantly withdrew and actually turned my back on most spiritual stuff.

I am not telling you this to show off or confess to some of the bad things I have done (I consider scaring someone as a really bad deed, even though I understand, why I have done it), but there is the thing with power, psychic or not. It`s a very fine line to walk. It`s easy to try and influence other people, persuade them of your truth, instead of letting them find t heir own way, or in worse cases even influence them for selfish motives (like taking revenge in my case).


What I want to say is I think that the use of power, no matter what kind of power, always comes with a price.
Maybe that is why Hekate is often seen in such a negative light.

But in the end it all depends on our personal choice, how we use this power we are given.

In this instance I think Hekate is neither good nor evil, just neutral.
BUT she represents power and magic (at least I think so - btw in the case of "revenge" it might not have been Hekate alone in my chart, don`t forget she comes along with Lilith).

"Maybe my telepathy with my guy is linked to this aspect then and vice versa as we are both able to see straight through each other and feel each other all the time even though at the moment we are 4,000 miles apart."
I`m not sure that Hekate really relates to telepathy, at least not on its own.

Have you checked other links? Like Neptune-Mercury, Pallas-Neptune and similiar ones?
Neptune-Sun, Neptune-Moon may also have these telepathic links.
And of course aspect to Psyche herself, I think she could signify psychic connections being telepathic, too.
Personally I love Psyche-Neptune and Psyche-Pluto in this regard, oh and Psyche-Moon and Psyche-Mercury, and maybe even Psyche-Pallas.


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posted September 14, 2009 11:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
Lara,

I have been looking over your list, and found these interesting:

"my N CHIRON opp C IC (0)
my N VALENTINE cj C AC (3)
my N PSYCHE cj C VERTEX (2)
my N UNION cj C SUN (2)
my N AMOR cj C NN (2)
my N IC cj C Jupiter (3)
my sun/moon midpoint cj C NN (0)
my draco venus/mars midpoint cj C UNION (0)"

The Sun/Moon mp conjunct C NN is just WHOA, and so exact! I love that. It`s like saying the purpose of the relationship (C-NN) is to bring you in touch with your Yin-Yang-qualities, maybe even with your soulmate. Does he have planets conjunct or opposite your Sun-Moon-mp? That would be so awesome!

The triggering of your DRaco Venus-Mars mp, maybe there was some steamy sexual attraction in a past life, which becomes part of the union now?

Also the C Nn conjunct your Amor, this relationship is destined to bring you in contact with your own ability to love unconditionally. Very intimate.

C ASC cojunct your VAlentine:
You really love this relationship? It seems to signify everything you associate with true love?

his N CHIRON opp C IC (1)
his N KARMA cj C JUPITER (2)
his N DESTINN cj C IC (3)
his N VALENTINE cj C VENUS (1)
his N LUST cj C MERCURY/VENUS (2)
his N EROS cj C SATURN (0)
his N EROS opp C PSYCHE (1)
his N AMOR opp C PLUTO (1)
his N AC cj C JUPITER (1)
his VENUS/MARS MIDPOINT cj C MERCURY (1)
his SUN/MOON MIDPOINT cj C SUN (2)

This is so awesome, that both your Sun-Moonmps are conjunct C Sun and C NN.
Like both of you have met your soulmate or at least will learn a lot about what you need in a fulfilling relationship.

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posted September 14, 2009 12:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
I have been looking at some of my composites:


Composite 1:

C-Moon conjunct my IC (1)
C-Mercury/Atlantis conjunct my Moon (1)
C-Venus conjunct my Pholus (1)
C-Venus opposite my Lilith (1)
C-Jupiter conjunct my Pholus (0)
C-Jupiter opposite my Hekate (2)
c-Jupiter opposite my Lilith (1)
C-Neptune conjunct my Valentine (1)
C-NN conjunct my Aphrodite (0)
C-Pholus/Valentine conjunct my Psyche (2)
c-Pholus/Valentine conjunct my BML 82)
c-Juno/Kaali conjunct my Chiron (0)
C-Karma opposite my Valentine (0)
c-ERos opposite my Valentine (1)
C-Psyche conjunct my Valentine (1)
C-Destinn conjunct my Destinn (/2)
C-DEstinn conjunct my Eros (1)
C-Destinn conjunct my Vertex (0)
C-Destinn opposite my Sun-Moon-mp (0)
C-Union conjunct my Sun (2)
C-BMLc onjunct my ASC (3)
C-BML conjunct my Neptune and NN (0)

C-Mercury/Atlantis conjunct his Pholus (1)
C-Mercury/ATlantis conjunct his SN (0)
C-Venus opposite his Pluto (2)
C-Venus conjunct his Jupiter (2)
c-Jupiter opposite his Pluto (1)
C-Neptune opposite his VAlentine (1)
C-Pluto oposite his Mars (3)
C-SN conjunct his Sun (3)
C-NN conjunct his Adonis (2)
C-NN opposite his Venus/Mars-mp (0)
C-Pholus/Valentine oppoiste his Uranus (0)
C-Juno/Kaali conjunct his Sun (2)
C-Karma conjunct his Valentine (0)
C-Eros conjunct his VAlentine (3)
C-Psyche opposite his Valentine (3)
C-Destinn conjunct his Destinn (1)


Some interesting link ups:

in the composite there is:

[ERos conjunct Karma] opposite [Psyche conjunct Neptune] square [Valentine conjunct Pholus]

and this falls onto our synastric VAlentine-VAlentine opposition, with his VAlentine being conjunct Karma and Eros and my Valentine being conjunct Psyche and Neptune.


Also, interesting, synastrically his Adonis conjuncts my Aphrodite, and the C-NN falls onto this.

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posted September 14, 2009 12:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
Hey DD

Yes, psyche on swad AC seems to give you a definite link in the psyche of probably yourself and others whom aspect your AC?

omg and you have neptune there as well? wow. You are definitely capable of BIG things DD although i always felt that about you... so question is, what is holding you back, or what about your ability do you doubt? Is that a fair question?

IQ emailed me and said this about hekate/sun DW. I'm sure he won't mind me sharing it with you.
"the Hekate-Sun double whammy would be an indication that you both can set aside ego differences and "create magic" in the relationship.
In the Past lifeline, both of you may have harmoniously taken part in group rituals."

This is interesting because i definitely see us creating magic and i think he has a huge role to play in my future, as in supporting my desire to spiritually evolve the planet.

You know i have done that once too - the scaring someone by telling them things from my imagination and i totally understand that you were unaware of the impact, as i was. I still feel a little bad it actually.

Ok now i understand the fear of it all. It's ok to be a little wary of these things DD, especially when you are so precise in your ability.

My guy and i can do exactly what your guy and you could do... feel each other all the time. The other day i was really upset suddenly over something a friend said to me and my guy said he immediately became all over the place and he rang me! lol
Do you have his birth details - maybe we can compare and figure out what it is?

Let me check these other links and see.

Thank you for sharing with me. I'm so happy you are back X

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posted September 14, 2009 12:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Lara,

"Yes, psyche on swad AC seems to give you a definite link in the psyche of probably yourself and others whom aspect your AC?"
Yes, that could be. I have to look up on this 24 Aquarius.

But funny, in that composite the Sun is on 21 Aquarius and the Pholus -Valentine falls onto 26 Aquarius.
Funny, I never realized that, but those people I get "inspirations" about usually DO have planets either around 24 Aquarius or 24 Leo (in tropical or Draco).
I think I will have to look into that to verify or falsify this.

"omg and you have neptune there as well? "
No, just transiting Neptune, bringing it all to the surface.

"so question is, what is holding you back, or what about your ability do you doubt?"
Nothing is holding me back.
But as much as I resent my doubts sometimes, I think they are what keeps me grounded and keeps things in perspective. To see that everything is relative.
Maybe I am psychic, but it`s nothing special. I guess most people are, just many people don΄t know about it.

Also, I feel that there is a fine line between spiritual truth and imagination. Well, I usually FEEL and KNOW when I am leaving the realm of truth and cross over into fantasy, but I feel it is important to keep that in mind.

The most delusional people will insist theirs is the only truth and they will believe firmly in this. And I just don`t want to fall prey to this, you know?
Maybe I have spent some time in a mental asylum in a past life and become careful, who knows?
WEll, I am pretty sure I have been burnt as a witch once, so maybe I jsut learnt to be a bit more careful nowadays.

""the Hekate-Sun double whammy would be an indication that you both can set aside ego differences and "create magic" in the relationship.
In the Past lifeline, both of you may have harmoniously taken part in group rituals."
Yes, I see Hekate the same way. Especially the thing about group rituals. Rings very true to me.
And magic -d efinitely.

I wonder, I have my Hekate exactly conjunct this guy`s Mercury - could I do magic to his mind?
No I am not serious. But I thought it was an interesting placement.

But creating magic together -t hat is just such a beautiful thought.

" I still feel a little bad it actually."
Yes, it is one of the few things I really really regret.


"My guy and i can do exactly what your guy and you could do... feel each other all the time."
Well, in your case it is mutual. In my case it is only me getting those strange "inspirations" which turn to be true every single time.

"Do you have his birth details - maybe we can compare and figure out what it is?"
I can write you a mail.


I'm so happy you are back X
Thanks. it feels good to be so welcome.

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posted September 14, 2009 12:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
DD

quote:
The Sun/Moon mp conjunct C NN is just WHOA, and so exact! I love that. It`s like saying the purpose of the relationship (C-NN) is to bring you in touch with your Yin-Yang-qualities, maybe even with your soulmate. Does he have planets conjunct or opposite your Sun-Moon-mp? That would be so awesome!

check these out:

my sun/moon midpoint (27'48 aries)
cj C NN (27' 39 aries)
opposes my progressed juno (28' libra)
cj his N VENUS 28' 32 aries
cj his cupid (0' taurus)
cj my N ceres (27' aries)
cj my draco persephone (28' aries)
cj my draco psyche (28' libra)
sextile his draco venus/mars midpoint (0' leo)
opposes his groom (25' libra)
opposes his 9th harmonic DESTINN (25' libra)

my N VENUS (21 aries)
his draco sun/moon midpoint (20 aries)
his draco LARA (20' aries)

my N SUN (5' taurus)
my N venus/mars midpoint (6' taurus)
my N merlin(6' leo)
my N surname (8' leo)
my N juno (5' scorpio)
my n karma (6' scorpio)
my n vertex (9' scorpio)

his N NN (5' taurus)
his N parvati (5' taurus)
his N briede (9' taurus)
his N psyche (6' virgo)
his N osiris (5' aquarius)
his draco SUN (7' taurus)
his draco valentine (2' taurus)
his draco (my surname) 7' taurus
his draco aura (7' scorpio)
his draco union (5' aquarius)

so my n sun and venus/mars midpoint CONJUNCTS EXACT his n NN and the whole lot opposes the progressed composite moon!

How's that for synastry LOL

oh and we have a sun/moon cj at 4' in tropical and my dr moon/venus cj his draco moon 2'

What do you think?
You know i have dated 2 guys since i joined this forum and you know it's been up and down for me. This guy is just totally different. He is just sent from heaven - i feel so blessed and actually i'm still in shock. I feel like i'm finally at the place i'm supposed to be. Does that make sense?

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posted September 14, 2009 01:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message

"my sun/moon midpoint (27'48 aries)
cj his N VENUS 28' 32 aries"
Wow! This is great!

Actually I have started to look into midpoint synastry, and found it to be very fascinating and valid. And you can even see who is more attached.

And that Sun/Moon to his Venus, is just great. It would affect you more than him, but I am sure you`re also triggering strong midpoints in him.

That is what I have found on these midpoints:

"SU.MO.VE.
Body and soul in harmony. Love between man and wife. Man's congeniality with woman. Woman's affection for man. Harmonious partnership. To experience mutual pleasure. Mutual compatibility."

"my N venus/mars midpoint (6' taurus)
his N NN (5' taurus)"
passionate. To initiate a loving connection. Enjoyment of cooperative activites. To pursue a hobby together. To establish harmony in a relationship. To contribute to equity in relationships. Work with pleasant contacts. Sexual bonding."


So, he triggers both, your Sun/Moon-mp as well as your Venus/Mars-mp; he is affecting you on many layers, from the sexual to the soul.

Now I am curious, what midpoints are you triggering in HIM?


"oh and we have a sun/moon cj at 4' in tropical and my dr moon/venus cj his draco moon 2'"
Sounds pretty delicious, and with the DRacos probably past life is at play, too.

How are you Dwads aligned?
(Presently those are my two pet-areas to look at: midpoints and Dwads)

Oh and what about the progressed synastry? Any Venus-Sun, Venus-Venus, Venus-Mars or Venus-ASC or Sun-DESC?


"This guy is just totally different. He is just sent from heaven - i feel so blessed and actually i'm still in shock. I feel like i'm finally at the place i'm supposed to be. Does that make sense?"
Yes, it does make sense. Enjoy it, but don`t rush things, unless he confesses he feels the same and more important shows you he does. (I don`t want to lecture you here, just don`t want to see you being hurt again.)
How long have you been dating?


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posted September 14, 2009 01:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
On midpoints,

I just read in Rob Hand`s book, and he sais that he would consider at least the direct midpoints (conjunction, opposition), which involve at least one personal planet or angle or light, as strong as major aspects.
He uses an orb of 1,5 degrees for a direct midpoint.

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posted September 14, 2009 03:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
WOW those descriptions are awesome!! Thank you for those. wow wow wow

The amazing thing is that HE felt it long before me and he is actually MORE in love with me than i am with him at the moment... i'm a slowcoach

His sun/moon midpoint 27' taurus
my neptune 25' scorpio
my draco LARA 28' taurus

His venus/mars midpoint 7' virgo
my draco spirit 7' pisces
my solstice venus 9' virgo

(not as potent as his on mine!)


our dwads go like this:
DWAD – DWAD
my SUN trine exact his SUN
my SUN cj his VENUS
my KARMA opposes his NN
my KARMA opposes his UNION
my VALENTINE cj his JUNO

DWAD – TROPICAL
My AC cj his JUNO
My SUN cj his SUN exact (and my surname)
My VENUS cj his APHRODITE exact
My SATURN cj his NN/BRIEDE
My PLUTO cj his NN/BRIEDE
My NN opposes exact his APHRODITE
My IC opposes his ANGEL/JUNO
My VERTEX cj his SPIRIT
My UNION opposes his VENUS
My EROS cj his NEPTUNE
My EROS opposes his LARA
My PSYCHE cj his CUPID/UTOPIA
My PSYCHE opposes his GROOM
His AC opposes my AC
His SUN cj my LARA
His MOON cj my VERTEX
His MOON opposes my GROOM
His MARS opposes my EROS
His PLUTO opposes my EROS
His NN cj my VALENTINE
His IC cj my GROOM
His JUNO cj my DNA exact
His JUNO opposes my PLUTO exact
His KARMA cj my AC
His UNION cj my VALENTINE
His VALENTINE cj my VERTEX
His EROS cj my VERTEX exact
His PSYCHE cj my SATURN/NN/MOON/VENUS

his pr SUN cj my n VALENTINE (2)
his pr VENUS trine my n SUN (0)
his pr MARS opp my n sun/moon midpoint (1)
his pr AC trine my n MARS (1)
his pr AC cj my n LUST (1)
my pr SUN cj his n SUN (2)
my pr VENUS cj his pr SUN (1)
my pr AC cj his n VENUS (2)
my pr AC cj his pr SUN (2)
his pr AC cj my pr PLUTO (2)
my pr MARS cj his pr IC (2)
his pr MARS cj my pr KARMA/JUNO (0)


We've been dating for 3 months now

ok now i'm going to scroll up and look at your comparisons that i've missed!


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"The amazing thing is that HE felt it long before me and he is actually MORE in love with me than i am with him at the moment... i'm a slowcoach"
Excuse my bluntness, but you seem very much in love or at least very enthusiastic, which I think is just great.


"His sun/moon midpoint 27' taurus
my neptune 25' scorpio"
Makes me think of a very spiritual connection. But then again Neptune is so generational.

But there are other midpoints I like to look at; Personally I am reacting strongly to my Venus/Pluto-mp (it is on 22 Scorpio); someone touches it and I am a goner.
Even more than with the Venus/Mars-mp.

But I like to look at these, also:

Sun-Moon of course
Venus-Mars
Sun-Venus (for affection and this feeling of being in love)
Sun-Mars (the sum of the masculine image; also energy and this enthusiastic passion)
Moon - Venus (for tenderness and the feminine principle)
Moon - Mars (for emotional passion)
Moon - Pluto (for emotional intensity)
Venus - Uranus (for that electricity, that spark and magnetism, often love at first sight)
Venus - Neptune (for that magical feeling of having met the ONE, very compassionate and sensitive and spiritual)
Venus - PLuto (for intensity, depth and passion)

Also
Venus-ASC
Venus-MC
Moon-ASC
Moon-MC

And Jupiter - midpoints to personal planets for friendship

And some Saturn-mps, too. I know they are usually considered as restrictive and everything bad, but I just feel that some of them have that "fated" quality to them, like

SAturn-Pluto
Saturn-Node
SAturn-Vertex

also
Pluto-Node
Pluto-VErtex

The Dwads look very strong, too.


And it seems even the timing is right, with some of these progressions:

his pr VENUS trine my n SUN (0)
my pr VENUS cj his pr SUN (1)
my pr AC cj his n VENUS (2)
my pr AC cj his pr SUN (2)


That is definitely very strong progressed synastry, with a DW of Venus-Sun.
ARe those progressed aspects applying or separating?

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posted September 14, 2009 06:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you DD - i'm falling with an airbag set up beneath me lol
I'm cautious but he's so into me it's hard to hold back.

ok progressions -

his pr SUN cj my n VALENTINE (2) applying
his pr VENUS trine my n SUN (0) applying
his pr MARS opp my n sun/moon midpoint (1) separating
his pr AC trine my n MARS (1) separating
his pr AC cj my n LUST (1) applying
my pr SUN cj his n SUN (2) separating
my pr VENUS cj his pr SUN (1) applying (and its my N sun not pr, sorry!)
my pr AC cj his n VENUS (2) applying
my pr AC cj his pr SUN (2) separating
his pr AC cj my pr PLUTO (2) applying
my pr MARS cj his pr IC (2) (this should read OPPOSING and its applying
his pr MARS cj my pr KARMA/JUNO (0) applying

LOL you should see my desktop... its awash with charts hhaha

OK MIDPOINTS:
(i promise to get to your stuff next!!)

*his saturn/NN cj my moon & venus (1)
his moon/MC opposes my vertex (2)
*his venus/MC cj my AC/aphrodite (2)
his saturn/pluto cj my briede (2)
his sun/venus cj my fortuna (1)
his pluto/NN cj my cupid (1)
his pluto/NN opp my atlantis (2) lucifer (1)
*his moon/pluto opp my destinn (0)
his moon/mars cj my lust (2)
his venus/AC cj my merlin/hera/surname
*his sun/mars cj my IC (2)
his venus/pluto cj my jupiter (2)
his venus/uranus cj my jupiter (1)
his pluto/vertex opp my amor (1)
his venus/neptune opp my spirit (1)
his saturn/vertex

my sun/moon 28’ aries
sun/venus 28’ aries
his CUPID 1’ taurus

*my venus/mars 6’ taurus
moon/mars 6’ Taurus
his NN 5’ Taurus

*my sun/mars 13’ Taurus
his MOON 11’ Taurus
his APHRODITE 15’ taurus

my Saturn/Pluto 4’ cancer
my Pluto/NN 4’ cancer
my moon/Pluto 5’ cancer
my venus/Pluto 5’ cancer
his MERCURY 6’ cancer


*my Saturn/vertex 28’ Capricorn
His VENUS 28’ cancer

*my venus/MC 19’ pisces
moon/MC 19’ pisces
his AMOR 18’ pisces
his PLUTO 18’ virgo

* the ones i think are valid.

Seems to be a lot of pluto action going on

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Lara,
I need to check our charts and write them all down for a detailed comparison, but the one that I know by heart is...

Our composite Saturn at 8.38 Sag
My Ascendant at 8.31 Sag
His Cupid at 8.33 Sag

Sabian - A mother is leading her children up a broad flight of steps. They enjoy the task of lifting little feet.

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Lara,

those progressed aspects that are applying will even increase in intensity (until they are exact).

Regarding midpoints:
I would leave out the asteroids for a while; there are so many asteroids, you will always find any midpoint conjunct or opposite to an asteroid.
Personally I make an exception for Eros and Psyche though.
And maybe Karma and Destinn.

So for him it would be like this:

*his saturn/NN cj my moon & venus (1)
Definitely very valid.

The interpretation in the book I have isn`t too positive. But even though Saturn/NN may be possibly sad and signifying a feeling of abandonment or even rejection, I personally think it is also a very karmic one, very much glue.

The more positive interpretation I found on Saturn/NN=Venus:
"Enduring bond. Serious relationship; Dependable relationship. relationship in maturity."

WEll, I think of it like the Saturn-NN-conjuanction in synastry, just that it is only him that feels it. And Saturn-NN seems to be a big one, regarding binding people together. So you as a woman (your Moon and Venus) would trigger that fated feeling inside him, that it is meant to be, and that there is something you have to do together, and that he wants to take on responsibility, I guess.

"*his venus/MC cj my AC/aphrodite (2)"
LOVE that one.
In Uranian astrology MC is seens as a point of the soul (the whole axis IC-MC is), and the Vensu/MC-mp is very significant in love. So you, your whole appearance and essence, triggers that loving feeling inside of him.

The interpretation:
" Inner balance. Feeling of love. To experience affection. to enjoy sympathy or popularity. My enjoyment. Personal preference. One's own desires."

*his sun/mars cj my IC (2)
Since Sun and Mars are the both planets which indicate the masculine in a chart, you probably make him feel like a "man", which energizes him and makes him feel very attracted to you.


his venus/pluto cj my jupiter (2)
". Growing sympathies. Increasing attraction. Development of a love."
And of course Venus/PLuto is also about depth, intensity and passion, which gets expanded by you.


his venus/uranus cj my jupiter (1)
"falls in love quickly. gains sympathy quickly. erotically refined.
Unexpected love. Surprising attraction. Surprising congeniality. Romantic impulse. Pleasurable excitement."

*my venus/mars 6’ taurus
moon/mars 6’ Taurus
his NN 5’ Taurus
So he is destined, or it is part of his lifepath, or his lifepath itself brings you in contact with your own passionate feelings.

"To arouse sympathy or attraction. To give pleasure. To act out of love. Donation. Passion. Sexuality. "

*my sun/mars 13’ Taurus
his MOON 11’ Taurus
His emotional nature seems to embody everything you expect in a man.


my Saturn/Pluto 4’ cancer
my Pluto/NN 4’ cancer
my moon/Pluto 5’ cancer
my venus/Pluto 5’ cancer
his MERCURY 6’ cancer

SEems, you are reacting quite vehemently to everything his Mercury signifies. His thoughts, voice, talking with him, his ideas, even his gestures may evoke a deep emotional intensity in you and a feeling of fatedness.


*my venus/MC 19’ pisces
moon/MC 19’ pisces
his PLUTO 18’ virgo
I guess he can help you to realize what you really want in life, and also arouses feelings of love and care in you with his intensity.
Very transformative.


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