posted September 18, 2009 01:56 AM         

what the hell did he see in her to get involved with her in the first place?????

It looks like that woman needs to see a psychiatrist and get on some medication! I wonder if she's bipolar or has borderline personality disorder.

I noticed that he has Venus in Taurus,and it conjuncts her Mars in Taurus.

that can indicate sexual attraction
but it can also indicate the possibility of a violent relationship. Mars can be too pushy for the Venus' delicate ways.
The aspect itself can be more about lust than love.

The conjunction is in Taurus which indicates theme of security,self worth. There can be issues with possessiveness too.

His Venus in Taurus oppose Pluto in Scorpio, indicates issues of self worth and power issues involving others. It can indicate an abusive relationship. Hard Venus-Pluto aspects are very common in people that have been in abusive relationships. I also call it "the fatal attraction aspect" like you said he could get himself killed by her.

Her Mars in Taurus quincunx Pluto in Libra, and that indicates issues of self worth that leads to anger issues and power issues. She could have been in abusive relationships with other men in the past. She could have been abused by men in the past,and there could be a deep-seated anger against men. Of course, she could have abused other men in the past too.

She has Sun conjunct Saturn in Cancer which also indicates that she could have issues with men, especially with the father. She might have found her father lacked nurturing and very hard on her, a disciplinarian. There is also the possibility that he wasn't available too. I also wondered if she got involved with older men in the past before she got involved with him. Men in her life could have been controlling. The conjunction in Cancer indicates the emphasis on nurturing,sensitivity,domestic stuff as well as tenacious,clingy.

Her Saturn squares his Jupiter,and that can indicate that she can be too controlling and that could want him to break free
Magi Astrologers call hard Jupiter-Saturn aspects "The Nuclear Clash", and they say that is the 2nd worst aspect that a couple can have.

as for transits, I'd look at hard aspects involving Mars and Pluto

not only that

Pluto's fellow transneptunians too
especially the plutinos which are astronomically similar to Pluto, and those are Ixion and Orcus

I'd focus more on the big named ones:
Eris,Makemake,Haumea,Sedna,Orcus,Quaoar,Varuna,and Ixion.

transneptunian dwarf planet,Eris seems likely in regards to discord,fighting,arguments,,and violence.

transneptunian,Sedna has the greatest average distance of any object in our solar system. It seems to be associated with abuse,betrayal,victization. It can easily fit with violence. The Inuit Sea Goddess,Sedna was also the ruler of the Underworld called Adlivun. She is just as much an underworld deity just as she is a sea deity.

The Centaur, Nessus is no joke either.
It's a centaur like Chiron.
It links the orbits of Saturn and Pluto.
Therefore,it has a Saturn-Pluto energy about it. Its name was actually proposed by Astrologers and accepted by astronomers. The astrologers thought the name,Nessus was suitable for its orbit. They believe that the astrology,the orbit,and the name all fit together.

Nessus can be involved in violence,revenge,possessiveness,"bad blood",and sexual matters.

It would be interesting to look at the transneptunians and Nessus in their natal charts as well as their synastry and composite.

I am not sure if the chart for the man takes in consideration the birthtime.

transiting Saturn-retrograde Uranus opposition is squaring his Uranus, and that can indicate sudden restrictions, nervous tension, and shocking reality checks. This can be a transit that indicates "enough is enough.....forget this sh-t!"

Transiting Jupiter is in a minor grand trine to his Jupiter and Saturn, and that can indicate a time for freedom/expansion but also gaining wisdom from experience. In this case,beneficial reality checks.

I also look at the planetary nodes

The Eris Nodes have been located between 5 and 6 degrees Taurus/Scorpio for a century.

Their synastry Venus-Mars conjunction is conjunct the North Eris Node, and that can indicate that their can be a theme of discord,diversity,controversy,equality matters involving the relationship. They have to avoid things like telling each other "I am right and you're wrong"

but.....man, if he doesn't leave her after those events, maybe he should go see a psychiatrist himself. If I were him,I'd kick her to the curb and never look back. I am zero tolerance on abuse.

The Venus trine Neptune of his seems like an indicator for being forgiving and tolerant..even too much so. I am hoping that won't be the case after the latest events.

The guy can do so much better.

Raymond

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posted September 18, 2009 06:27 AM         

She has Mars quincunx Pluto, Moon sq Uranus and Venus Tsq Nodes. She is mentally ill from sex problems. What her ill mind wants is to be throughly beaten up and to have rape type sex by a macho man, that is sadly her turn on.
However, she cannot get that in this modern age, and over time, she has developped the reverse turn on, to do unto a loser wimp what she wanted done to her.

And the root cause of his mental illness to get repeatedly abused his Pisces Moon. Men without Fire Suns or Fire Ascendants who have Pisces Moons tend to be the biggest losers in life because they have a very low self worth. The ones who are winners also ensure some losing as they take up difficult social service causes that drain their energy, but atleast they attain some great karma. Most do not, they keep "becoming" victims. Note this clearly, some peopple play the victim for gain but the unevolved Pisces Mooners "become" victims and lose out.

Glaucus has mentioned NESSUS, you must also check if Nessus in the charts is afflcited by Mars, Saturn or Pluto. Those are clear violence aspects. Mars sq Nessus has regularly led to murder.

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posted September 18, 2009 07:05 AM         

He is a stunningly attractive man, but even if he wasn't, anyone can do better than being abused.

No time to look at these charts at the moment, but whatever they say, well, we all know the answer.

posted September 18, 2009 08:05 AM         

IQ,
That's interesting you mentioned mental illness on her part. I was wondering that myself, if her natals revealed the fact she's destined to be born like that or become like that? Also what you said about fire signs, did you only mean fire sun/asc to balance out the pisces moon...or is it ok if they have other planets in fire signs too? What about men with cancer moons??--similar effect? As far as I know, they're very attracted to each other sexually...but I was wondering if there was some deep karmic soulmate action bonding them together.

Glaucus,
So what's the other redflag "nuclear clash," aspect?
I think he initially went for her cuz she's really hot for a 35yr old.
Your right about him having low self esteem issues...I feel it too. I find it's a common thing amongst really goodlooking people/actors etc.

Your also right about her having MAN issues in her life.
For starters her parents kinda disowned her after she got pregnant at 16...& continued on being a total basketcase. She's one of those model/actresses who never really made it...did a string of secondary roles, was used'n abused by the industry. As far as he tells me, she was propositioned alot by superiors, and has even been raped before. I'm not surprised as this tends to happen to many actresses. I'm not sure if this caused her to be mentally unstable or if she was naturally predisposed to it regardless of lifestyle.

posted September 18, 2009 12:27 PM         

Her Mars in 6'10 Taurus is in hard aspects to 4 transneptunian objects.

According to Philip Sedgwick, transneptunians are evolutionary intensified objects.

With her Mars in hard aspect to 4 transneptunian objects, she can have evolutionary intensified experiences,lessons that are more extreme than the average person.
In this case, they involve assertion,aggression,passion,anger,violence, physical energy,men in her life. She could have went through deeply traumatic experiences.

Her Mars conjunct Sedna can indicate the possibility of being abused,betrayed,and victimized. This can also indicate the possibility of doing it to her others too.

according to Philip Sedgwick:
Sedna - She is the first body to bear the mythology of the arctic's Inuit culture. Orbital Period: 11,013.05 yr.

Positive - a forgiving disposition, discernment, clarity of perception, recognition of free will and choice, responsible, conscious of consequence, far thinking, dharma-oriented, does the homework of life

Negative - victimization, abuse, being deceived, history of betrayal, bitterness, “gold digging” attitude in relationship, transfers blame to others, numbs out, goes unconscious

Mundane - blubber, products made from sea mammals, whaling, diving bells that go into the dark of the sea, emotional healing, forgiveness, sorrow, engagement, masks, flight of the birds

Ceremonial - cleansing in the sea, propitiation to the sea, sea creatures, use of sea creature talismans (walrus tusk carvings, scrimshaw), ceremony with masks of sea creatures, ceremonial masks in general

Her Mars oppose Quaoar in 5'32 Scorpio R.
This indicates strong urges of creativity which can be the desire to procreate. It can be an indicator of being involved in abuse in a relationship.

according to Philip Sedgwick:
Quaoar: Native American deity of creation. The first object in space to bear a Native American name (not counting Hopi and Navajo, which refer to tribes). Orbital Period: 283.84 yr.

Positive - creative, inspiring, possibility oriented, uplifts sagging emotion, strong sense of self

Negative - doom saying, prophet of Armageddon, controls others with fear

Mundane - birds, frogs, bears, songs and dances of cultural or spiritual origin, harmony, syncopation, rhythm

Ceremonial - singing and dancing praise the Creator, use of animal totems

Her Mars oppose Ixion in 7'48 Scorpio R. Ixion is a plutino named after the father of the centaurs. physical drive has issues with lust as well as doing things over and over and not learning from experience. There can be second chances that aren't utilized. With Ixion being similar astrologically, Mars oppose Ixion is very similar to Pluto. There is the possibility of being violent but also having a strong sex drive with too much emphasis on sex. Sexual abuse is possibility with this aspect too.

according to Philip Sedgwick:
Ixion: Father of the Centaurs, and not a particularly nice fellow. Orbital Period: 246.78 yr.

Positive - understands karmic wheel, gives and uses a second chance, discerning

Negative - lustful, inconsiderate, inclined to repeat errors, learns nothing from experience

Mundane - second efforts and chances, reset buttons, cloud seeding, study of weather, watching clouds, lust or coveting of another's mate

Ceremonial - rain dances, purging fires, seeking master healers

I noticed that people with a personal planet,angle in conjunction or opposition to Ixion-Quaoar and opposition or conjunction to Sedna or conjunction can have a history of being abused in some way.

His Venus in 4'24 Taurus
squares Orcus in 6'39 Leo

that indicates his lovelife,relationships,value systems are intense,transformative. After all, Orcus is a plutino. It's astronomically similar to Pluto. It's named after the Etruscan god of the underworld. Orcus is said to punish those broke oaths. There can be issues with oaths,promises that he has to keep in relationships,lovelife. This can be an indicator of being in an abusive relationship too.

He actually has a t-square of Orcus square his Venus Pluto opposition. With his Venus in a t-square with 2 transneptunian objects, there can be evolutionary intensified lessons,experiences involving his lovelife which can include deep trauma.

His Nessus in 0'35 Virgo conjunct her Venus in 0'25 Virgo, and her Nessus in 0'30 Cancer conjunct his Mars in 29'59 Gemini. This indicates issues with sex/lust,possessiveness,and "bad blood". This can indicate too much emphasis on sex. There is a danger component to the relationship

His Makemake is in 0'35 Virgo,and that conjuncts his Nessus and her Venus. Makemake is a transneptunian named after Rapanui fertility/creation god. This can indicate that he might create strong procreation urges in her. With Makemake being a transneptunian, there are evolutionary intensfied lessons/experiences that they have with each other. With the connection with Nessus, there is the lust involved to procreate.

according to Philip Sedgwick:
Orbital Period 309.00 yr., 2nd brightest KBO (Pluto #1), 1,250 km diameter? From Rapa Nui. Pronounced maki-maki.

Positive: Articulate and ultra-communicative. Self-assuredness, especially by verbal means. Clever, quick-witted and interested in invoking insight and inspiration with speech. Quick to report findings, regardless of impact. Courageous, possessing the willfulness to confront the peril required for discovery or spiritual evolution. Conscious of family security and safety. Protection of the brood.

Negative: Cunning and verbally manipulative. Double talk. Diversion of facts. Declaring false findings (laying an egg, so to speak). Taking flight to avoid consequence. Hiding as a coping skill. Reckless. Disregard for safety of the home. Self-serving.

Mundane: Data collection to support a doctrine or cause. Books, especially those of multi-cultural interest. Translation especially with a cross-cultural theme. Cultural synthesis. Integration of tasks. Computer iterations and/or algorithms. Dissemination of information whether true or false. Split second decisions. Lightning fast assessment. Fertility and fertility procedures. Birds. Fans. Eggs. Creeds. Documents of self declaration - affirmation statements, bios or autobiographies, a feather in one’s cap, selecting a safe location for nesting.

Ceremonial: Incantations. Oral remedies for healing. Meditations to unify the minds of several. Isolation for ceremonial purposes. Shamanic retreat. Cave ceremonies. Ceremonies involving hair cutting. Personal acceptance of one’s cause and karma. Ceremonies involving the use of feathers or eggs (feather fans, Eagle feather cleansing, the egg diagnostics of curanderos and curanderas - common in Ecuador, one of Rapa Nui’s neighbors).

Her Haumea is in 12'37 Virgo,and it is in opposition to his Moon in 11'50 Pisces. Haumea is named after the Hawaiian fertility/creation goddess. This could indicate putting pressure on him to procreate with her.
With Haumea being a transneptunian object, there are evolutionary intensifed lessons/experiences that they have with each other.

according to Philip Sedgwick:
Orbital Period: 285.31 yr., with two moons, Hi'iaka and Namaka., 3rd brightest KBO (Pluto #1), orbital period w/Moon about 3.9 hours, cigar shaped object because of fast rotational period, 1200 km diameter? Hawaiian creation goddess.

Positive: Soulful confidence, an unshakeable personal inner knowing, creative, regenerative. Able to reconstruct, redefine, transform, especially regarding consciousness, willfulness and restoring rock solid integrity. Supportive. Fostering. Fertile. Creative.

Negative : Insecure and attention demanding. Dramatic. Egocentric. A bully disposition. Forces head-on collisions. Claims martyrdom and sacrifice to secure attention. Willing to attach to someone else’s momentum or allowing dependent sorts to attach to one’s efforts for self benefit (using non-paid volunteers, fans, devotees).

Mundane: Self awareness programs. Portraits and or caricatures. “Spin” as in political or media framing of events. Affinity or family bonds with those similar in nature. The Hula. The big island of Hawaii. Storm warnings to sailors in form or rainbow. Lava cooling in the sea to make land. Creation, fertility, childbirth and sisterhood. Verbal affirmations. Body sacrifice. Entourages. Groupies.

Ceremonial: Hulas, regeneration ceremonies, affirmations. Soul-based capitulation ceremonies (surrendering ego to spirit). Ceremonies in which a mask is removed (unmasking of the great Hopi kachina Saquasohuh).

Lunar bodies contributing to keywords: Hi’iaka, Namaka.

Her Sedna is in 4'20 Taurus,and it is in conjunction to his Venus in 4'24 Taurus. Wow! It's rare to have a close conjunction like that. It indicates a strong abuse,victim,betrayal theme in the relationship. There could have been a possibility of deep compassion,spirituality if the aspect was used positively. With Sedna being a transneptunian, there are evolutionary intensifed lessons/experiences that they have with each other. With her being the Sedna person and his being the Venus person, he could be deeply attracted to on an intense,evolutionary,spiritual level. In other words, she could have psychological advantage over him similar to a Venus conjunct Pluto. Sedna is far more outer than Pluto, and so can be more powerful,subtle than Pluto.

I didn't bother looking at aspects to her Moon because there is no birthtime. Moon travels at an average of 13'10 per day. I tend to use aspects no more than 5 degrees. With transneptunians, I use aspects no more than 3 degrees. In synastry, I use no more than 4 degrees. With outer objects, I decrease the orb in relation to how distant,outer,slower an object is. Therefore, I'd use no more than 10 minutes of arc for Sedna that has over a 11,000 year orbit.

but yeah......I figured that transneptunians and Nessus was involved in this relationship.

I don't think that their synastry is all that great. Even if it was, the natal dynamics have to be considered too. Free will is the ultimate factor too

Raymond
(who has Moon in Pisces square Neptune without a fire sign Sun nor Ascendant, and is not a loser)

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posted September 18, 2009 01:01 PM         

He has Venus trine Neptune, which gives him a loving nature, idealization of the love partner, and a tolerance for BS.

He has Venus opposite Pluto, which gives him an attraction to dark manipulative relationships and people. On a deep subconscious level, he gets a kick out of the power struggle involved.

His Chart ruler, Mercury, is squared his moon, and opposite his Saturn. Not good.

posted September 18, 2009 01:19 PM         

She doesn't have a Venus-Mars conjunction. She has a wide Venus-Mars earth trine.
She has Mars-Sedna conjunction,and that's conjunct his Venus. Her Sedna is 4 minutes conjunct his Venus.

Raymond

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posted September 18, 2009 02:28 PM         

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He has Venus opposite Pluto, which gives him an attraction to dark manipulative relationships and people. On a deep subconscious level, he gets a kick out of the power struggle involved.

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posted September 18, 2009 05:52 PM         

Glaucus,
your knowledge is very much appreciated...your definitely not a loser pisces moon! Actually what's your experiences with pisces moon? do you get victimized alot?

["Her Mars conjunct Sedna can indicate the possibility of being abused,betrayed,and victimized."]
- So your saying Sedna & Orca kind of function like Pluto? I checked my chart too, & I have Mars square Sedna 3deg, is that similar? I also have Mars conj Orcus by 2deg. Damn, I guess it kinda makes sense since I tend to be the one usually getting taken advantage of in relationships. Also I'm often victimized by superiors (always men) in the work place. I always thought this was just caused by my Venus conj Pluto in Libra. Does this only apply to hard aspects? what about someone with Mars trine Sedna?

["His Nessus in 0'35 Virgo conjunct her Venus in 0'25 Virgo, and her Nessus in 0'30 Cancer conjunct his Mars in 29'59 Gemini. This indicates issues with sex/lust,possessiveness,and "bad blood". This can indicate too much emphasis on sex."]
- RIGHT! I forgot to mention that he's practically her sex slave lol. She's horny 24/7...there's been times when she beat him up cuz he was too tired to give her some action.

Belage,
Right, I previously told him his tendancy towards dramatic women is due to his Venus opp Pluto. Although I think his mental perception of women in general is warped, thanks to his mom. She was also one of those flakey model/actress types who had ditched the family for her many lovers when he was a child.

Nine,
Hah yeah I saw the transiting Pluto opp Mars too, & since Pluto is slow moving...I'm guessing he's in for a beating for the next while huh. He's also an athlete, well black belt...the only thing stopping him from beating her@$$ down is moral conduct.