posted September 18, 2009 03:14 PM         

How about A Venus-Neptune-conjunction or opposition in Draconics?

posted September 18, 2009 03:21 PM         

if I remember right, you have Sedna in conjunction to your Ascendant and opposition to your Descendant

Sedna is very Neptune-like but more otherworldly. With it in opposition to your Descendant which is naturally ruled by Venus, it can be very similar to Venus-Neptune. Of course,more otherworldly.
being transneptunian object, evolutionary intensified experiences,lessons.

I also wonder about any midpoint pictures involving Venus and Neptune too.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted September 18, 2009 03:47 PM         

Mars goes retrogade sometime after mine, as a consequence my Mercury/Mars, whilst 7* in orb on my natal, is now exact by progression and won't be out of orb until I am a pensioner.

posted September 18, 2009 04:44 PM         

Yeah...I'd say Sedna conjunct/oppose Ascendant/Descendant axis is part of it.

I checked your midpoints

You have Neptune square Venus/Jupiter midpoint with 9 minutes of arc separating.

You have a wide conjunction of Venus and Jupiter, and Neptune makes a wide square to both. Neptune is in an applying square to Venus and in separating square to Jupiter.
That's why Neptune squares your Venus/Jupiter midpoint so closely.

Robert Hand made points about midpoint pictures could account for being able to identify wide orb aspects. That's one of the reasons that he recommended not using more than 5 degree orb for aspects in his book,HOROSCOPE SYMBOLS.

I also checked your Declination Longitude Equivalent chart

conjunction of:
Venus in 10'42 Virgo in 5th
Pluto in 12'30 Virgo in 5th
(You have Venus parallel Pluto with 37 minutes of arc in the declinations)

square

conjunction of:
Mars in 7'09 Sagittarius in 7th
Neptune in 8'49 Sagittarius in 7th
(You have Mars parallel Neptune with 17 minutes of arc in the Declinations)

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted September 18, 2009 05:06 PM         

I have widened the orbs a lot in some of the natal charts and synastry I've looked at recently, and I think wider-orbed aspects are often highly apparent. I'm especially seeing this with NN conjunctions to planets.

I think I was so devoted to the "tighter orbs" thing because there are so many people around here who use synastry in a really annoying way, so I was kind of looking for some way to put some barrier on their/our vast, senseless lists of obscure "soul mate" aspects. But that was illogical of me, because with so many gazillions of asteroids, you can find vast lists of "soul mate" aspects at a narrow orb, too. AND lots of people with synastry that matches various "soul mate" lists will never meet...or the other person will just never like/want them because he/she is really into a different person. I am skeptical about all of it.

BUT since I decided to stop focusing on the internet and take a fresh look at real natal charts and synastries, I notice that widening the orb to 125% at astro.com can yeild incredible revelations and breakthroughs.

It all depends, and it needs to be looked at intuitively. Progressions and transits are important too--if transiting Pluto is conjuct your natal Pluto at 0 degrees, and your natal Pluto is widely square your Venus at 9 or 10 degrees....man will you feel that natal Pluto-Venus square, wide as it is. People we meet can also activate a part of our chart that hasn't been central for us in the past.

posted September 18, 2009 05:15 PM         

That's why I prefer looking beyond ecliptic longitude which is the default coordinate for astrologers. I like Multidimensional Astrology. Astronomers use right ascension and declinations which are the equatorial longitude and latitude coordinates. That's one of things that astrologers and astronomers greatly differ from each other.

transneptunian objects too
I think Sedna aspects can account for wide orbed Neptune aspects. I think aspects involving Pluto's fellow transneptunians in general can account for wide orbed Pluto aspects. That goes especially for Ixion and Orcus which are plutinos because their orbits are very similar to Pluto. They are only a year apart from Pluto when it comes to orbit. I also thinking that Eris aspects can account for wide orbed Uranus and wide orbed Jupiter aspects.

speaking of Eris

scrappydog,
I noticed that you have Sun oppose Eris with only 10 minutes of arc in Right Ascension. whoaa! That's very powerful!

I wonder if self expression,ego, men in your life (especially the father) was connected with diversity matters,equality matters, discord, controversy, and the whole "I am Right and Your Wrong" stuff.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted September 18, 2009 06:40 PM         

And this "space" makes it easy to see what one wants to see.
I often hear this argument: BUT I feel that Jupiter-PLuto-square at 10 degree orb, so it must be valid.

I am not sure that we really always connect our feelings with the right astrological symbols.
The problem is that certain expressions or feelings can be related to different aspects or placements.

It could be the Jupiter-Pluto-square. It could be Pluto in 9th house. It could be the ruler of 9th house in 8th house.
Or it could even be an aspect with the Transneptunians.

So what is the solution for me? (I say for me, cause everyone has to find their own way).

There is one rule that is the basis of the whole astrology. AS above, so below.
The sky above us depicts / describes what happens on earth.

AStrology comes from astronomy; as a matter of fact it was the same science, until the scientists decided astrology was nunsense.

Anyway, what does the sky above us show us?

First of all it shows us Sun and Moon and their relationship to each other.
With all their aspects, or rather phases.

And it also shows us the orbs. A fullmoon isn`t considered a fullmoon for 10 days or 5 days or 100 hours.
There is a relatively tight timeframe, in which the moon actually appears to be full, without losing a corner or more.

That timeframe (I once looked it up on several astronomical sites with different dates), if you convert it back into degrees, NEVER exceeds 6 degrees.
3 degrees before the peak, 3 degrees after that.

That is my guideline.

And I am sorry, just as others may think about the soulmate aspects or asteroids, I think that using orbs, much wider than that means that in most cases someone is grasping for straws, because they WANT to find something in the chart that just isn`t there. Or maybe it is there, but it is expressed in a different way.

Anyway, I know that maybe people will disagree. But I just wanted to give my opinion on this, too.

Astrology, in its purest form, is a mixture of astronomy and mathematics or rather geometry (for the calculations - the vocabulary of this language) and psychology (the interpretation).

The beautiful thing about geometry is, that it has rules; it is consistent. And so is astrology. Consistent.
If it is not, it is not worth, doing it, cause it has no use at all then.

And it doesn´t judge. It just "reflects" through the position of the stars life on earth, and it is the same, no matter if for a dog, a country or a person.

We of course need to stay aware that there are differences in how an aspect can be expressed, depending on the person.
But still, even then, it has to be consistent.

So Scrappydog,

I believe that you feel Venus-Neptune.
I don´t believe that the wide square between Venus and Neptune is the reason.
But I do believe that the midpoint picture has to do with it.

posted September 18, 2009 07:23 PM         

actually I expect for soulmates to find conjunctions and oppositions with max. 2 degrees, involving the angles, ruler of the angles, Sun, Moon and NN.

Anything else comes on top.

I also think there is a misconception of soulmates. At least as I understand the term.
It is not necessarily romantic.

posted September 18, 2009 07:58 PM         

You rock!

Great points!

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted September 18, 2009 10:02 PM         

There is no t-square between those 3

The Sun oppose Eris that I told you about is in Right Ascension (Equatorial Longitude)which is the default coordinate that astronomers use along with declination to locate objects.

In Right Ascension:
converting degrees into zodiac equivalent

Sun in 21'06 Libra
Eris in 20'56 Aries
Nessus in 29'33 Cancer

as you see, Nessus is too wide in aspect to Sun and Eris for a t-square.

The Sun square Nessus that you have is in Ecliptical Longitude which is the default coordinate that astrologers use.

Sun in 22'49 Libra
Nessus in 24'11 Cancer
Eris in 14'34 Aries R

as you see, Eris is too wide in aspect to Sun and Nessus for a t-square

I also checked Sedna in your chart,and it is not close enough for a conjunction/opposition to Ascendant/Descendant. It's about 7 degrees away

Sedna in 6'19 Taurus
Ascendant/Descendant axis in 13'19 Taurus/Scorpio

but in Right Ascension, You have Sedna conjunct/opposition to Ascendant/Descendant axis with 3'06 orb

Sedna in 7'46 Taurus
Ascendant/Descendant axis in 10'52 Taurus/Scorpio

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted September 18, 2009 10:31 PM         

Here is your Ecliptic Longitude Chart:

Here is your Declination Longitude Equivalent

notice that you have Venus conjunct Pluto and Mars conjunct Neptune. You have Venus parallel Pluto and Mars parallel Neptune in the declinations.

Here is your Right Ascension Chart:

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted September 18, 2009 10:36 PM         

Using only the major aspects within 2 degree orb

http://mysite.verizon.net/bonniehill/pages.aux/astrology/tobey/tobey.14.html

Mercury in 17'10 Scorpio
oppose/conjunct Mercury Nodes in 18'05 Taurus/Scorpio

Lunar Nodes in 17'40 Leo/Aquarius
square Mars Nodes in 19'24 Taurus/Scorpio
sextile/trine Venus Nodes in 16'30 Gemini/Sagittarius

Moon in 9'31 Capricorn
oppose/conjunct Jupiter Nodes in 10'15 Cancer/Capricorn

Sun in 22'49 Libra
Pluto in 21'44 Libra
square Saturn Nodes in 23'29 Cancer/Capricorn

Venus in 12'52 Virgo
square Uranus Nodes in 13'54 Gemini/Sagittarius

Ascendant/Descendant axis in 13'19 Taurus/Scorpio
square Neptune Nodes in 11'34 Leo/Aquarius

Pluto in 21'44 Libra
square Pluto Nodes in 20'00 Cancer/Capricorn

Midheaven/Imum Coeli axis in 29'40 Capricorn/Cancer
square Chiron Nodes in 29'11 Libra/Aries

Sun square Saturn Nodes is the most significant.
Heliocentric planetary node aspects to the Sun are the most significant because that means that Earth aspects those same heliocentric nodes in the heliocentric chart. In heliocentric chart,Earth is exactly opposite the Sun's position in geocentric chart.

that also means that you have Earth square Saturn Nodes in the heliocentric chart with the same orb as your Sun square Saturn Nodes.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted September 19, 2009 07:58 PM         

When I first got into astrology, I saw that I had a Venus-Pluto square. A very wide one at 8º. But I lived that square - from the inside and the outside - so I thought, must be working. I reasoned that since those planets ruled my AC-DC axis, perhaps a wider orb was permitted. I learned years later that I have Pluto on my Venus/Juno midpoint, and that midpoint config so perfectly described the part of myself/my life that I had previously assigned to the square.

Now I love to use midpoints like this: I look at how the planets involved aspect one another. For you, you have Neptune = Venus/Jupiter. This could show an unconditional style of love, something joyous, warm, and spiritually fulfilling. But then when we look at the planets involved, Neptune is widely square your Venus. So this shows how there's an exaggerated optimism. Neptune is tempting Venus to close her eyes and feel a beautiful love even when it would be wise to be more cautious. Knowing that about yourself, you can learn to love warmly but with both feet on the ground until the partner has proven himself as worthy of your devotion.

posted September 19, 2009 09:27 PM         

I have a question. Have you found that men will help you live out that Venus-Neptune square of yours...meaning, they'll be super charming and sweet, enticing you to fall into an enchanting dreamworld? Or are you the one bringing that energy to the relationship?

posted September 20, 2009 07:40 AM         

"DD,
You rock!

Great points!"

Thank you.

BTW I want to have a look at my Transneptunians, too. Which one do you suggest are the most significant ones to look at?

posted September 20, 2009 11:01 AM         

dwarf planets:
Eris,Pluto,Makemake,and Haumea

dwarf planet candidates:
Sedna,Orcus,Quaoar,Varuna,and Ixion

there is one that's nicknamed "Snow White",and it smaller than Sedna but larger than Orcus, but it has no name nor minor planet number yet. It's orbit hasn't been fully determined. It's a detached object like Sedna.

2002 AW197 and 2002 TX300 are dwarf planet candidates too, but they have no names yet.

Sedna has the greatest average distance, especially when it comes to Aphelion by far, and so it would make sense for it to be the deepest,most profound,most metaphysical of all.
In Inuit mythology, Sedna wasn't just a sea goddess but also the underworld goddess.

The underworld existed at the bottom of the Arctic Ocean in Inuit mythology. It was called "Adlivun."

Haumea is very unique as the most rapidly spinning object. It looks like a spinning egg or football. It's mainly rock compared to the other objects. It used to be bigger, but a collision knocked most of its ice off and fragments ended up being other kuiper belt objects while 2 of them became Haumea's moons. In Hawaiian mythology, the creation/fertility goodess, Haumea's children broke off from her body.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"