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Topic: Composite vs Synastry Charts - Differences??
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steelrose
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posted September 20, 2009 08:10 AM
  
Hmmm... I thought that having so many experts around, maybe someone could tell me...When analysing a love relationship... What is best, looking to a Composite chart or a Synastry chart? How are they different? What do they focus on?  Thanks!! IP: Logged |
PeaceAngel
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posted September 20, 2009 08:12 AM
Synastry is comparing the two natal charts and seeing what they trigger and touch in each other. The composite reflects your dynamic together, how you are as a couple.That's how I see it. IP: Logged |
DD
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posted September 20, 2009 08:19 AM
PA,have you found the composite to be relevant? IP: Logged |
PeaceAngel
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posted September 20, 2009 08:24 AM
I'm still learning about composites and seeing how they fit, DD. I'm not sure yet. I think the keyword for composites is "potential" perhaps?IP: Logged |
DD
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posted September 20, 2009 08:25 AM
Yes, maybe. But potential fits almost anything, doesn´t it?Sometimes I am enthusiastic about composites, sometimes I think it is all just mathematical games. lol IP: Logged |
PeaceAngel
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posted September 20, 2009 08:29 AM
I guess the thing with conmposites is that when you look at some interpretations - like astrodienst - it speaks of how you both feel or relate or react and I find that hard to comprehend because you can't both be feeling that. So, for instance, when I'm reading in the composite that we evoke jealousy in each other or something like that, I kind of withdraw from it because, generally, I'm not jealous in relationships. If I feel loved by him, I don't feel threatened if he perves on the good looking person walking past. I don't know, some of it I find hard to relate to. And the thing is that you can't both be feeling the same thing, you'll process and experience it differently. Which is where the synastry fits better for me.IP: Logged |
DD
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posted September 20, 2009 08:43 AM
Yes, definitely agree with you here.
The composite is for both people simultaneiously, without taking their individuality into account.
Probably it just tells us what could happen if two people interact.And maybe we than have to take into account the synastry of each person witht he composite itself. How do I personally feel in a relationship. Example:
My composite with someone has Venus, Mars and Pltuo in conjunction, which would imply a very passionate relationship with powerstruggles and jealousy also being there. Now what if my natal Saturn is opposing all that?
Wouldn´t that mean, that even though this relationship might have that quality, that I reject it?
I once had in a composite a SunVenus-conjunction and there certainly was some sweet interaction.
Just my Saturn was opposing this, and I didn`t feel good about it. Something about it just did not feel right.
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PeaceAngel
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posted September 20, 2009 08:45 AM
In that dynamic, if you are not inclined towards jealousy - just personally - and say the other partner is - then it's going to be one sided - and your behaviour is only going to make them feel more insecure and, therefore, potentially act more jealous.IP: Logged |
DD
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posted September 20, 2009 08:48 AM
Yes, that is when only one partner seems to act out the composite I guess.IP: Logged |
PeaceAngel
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posted September 20, 2009 08:54 AM
Yes, that's exactly why I'm observing composites for now, to see how they do work, because I can't see how both people feel the same thing. I just can't relate to that. I don't understand it.IP: Logged |
comica23
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posted September 20, 2009 07:19 PM
Hmm usually, in the composite, Saturn/Mars can represent how the man is in the relationship, whereas Moon/Venus can represent how the woman is. I think that this is coz men tend to reflect the male energies of the relationship, while women tend to reflect the female energies of the relationship. But then, it depends on each relationship that it's not always the case.
But in any cases, I agree with DD, that the composite is just a general reflection of what could happen when two people interacts.But well, by comparing the composite chart to each person's natal chart, we can see how each of them perceives the relationship's dynamics. IP: Logged |
Redstar
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posted September 20, 2009 11:40 PM
I place more weight in Synastry than in the Composite simply because I have found that
Synastry is the pure mechanics, the skeleton if you will of the relationship. Synastry is what drives the relationship. The aspects between the two natal charts describe how and in what manner they relate and what impact they have on each other. The composite is the skin - by itself it does not animate the relationship, but merely covers it, giving it a visible face that may hide the dynamic, but allows the 'relationship' to interact with the outside world as a unified organism. This is why someone may have a venus/neptune/sun conjunction on their Pisces ascendant in the composite- and everybody and their mother thinks it is the sweetest and most couple-y relationship ever, but in reality the two unfortunates might have many challenging aspects in synastry such as mars opposite pluto or Saturn square moon/mars/sun and would not associate their relationship with that sweetness on any deeper psychological level. Saying that, looking at both is good practice and sheds much light IP: Logged |
amowls*
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posted September 21, 2009 12:17 AM
I look at both. Synastry for initial impulses, and Composite for trends. Composite charts have resonated a lot for me in all of my relationships.I actually believe the composite is more important to look at, the opposite of Redstar's view. I think a great composite can make up for crappy synastry. Not to say that you should ignore the synastry because issues in synastry do pop up in everyday interactions. Composites do explain why two people with some really harsh aspects with each other just dont throw in the towel. IP: Logged |
DD
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posted September 21, 2009 01:47 AM
And I am of the exact opposite opinion than Amowls.Like Redstar I think it is the synastry (and equally or even more so, the natals) that set the ground for any connection. IP: Logged |
Glaucus
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posted September 21, 2009 01:51 AM
I agree with DD.Raymond ------------------
"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively" - Eckhart Tolle IP: Logged |
Lucia23
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posted September 21, 2009 02:05 AM
I find the synastry (with a thorough look at the natals) more informative than the composite. I also find looking at draconic synastry meaningful.That said, I think the skill and intuitive accuracy of the astrologer matters enormously, more than the particular method or chart type used. Some skilled astrologers have a particular tool they vibe to most strongly. IP: Logged |
steelrose
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posted September 21, 2009 02:26 PM
Thanks, guys!!! All this sounds really interesting...So... Synastry would say how two people as separate entities interact... and the composite, how they melt as a unit, how they are seen from outside... What is more important, having a good composite or a synastry with harmonious aspects? It sounds that the couple would directly "see" or "suffer" the synastry while the composite only makes them to stay together or depart... From that point of view, for the involved parts, synastry is more visible and it is what they should work on as individuals... However, the composite gives the frame in which the relationship survives or dies, it is meaningful or not... If the bond (composite) is strong and harmonious,
no matter what the daily clashes are, the relationship will remain and endure... they will grow as a unit... because even if they clash their energy as a entity, as a couple, is harmonious. Some people crosses your path and the relationship with them appears to be easy and agreable... but not especially powerful or meaningful... and they just go, more or less painfully at a certain time... and you just breathe gratefully or don't really care... While others really upset you at times, or clash with you constantly but for some reason "belong" to your life... as the energy flowing between you, as the frame that puts you together, is so strong... You love them to pieces even when sometimes it is not easy to have them there... Is that it?? IP: Logged |
katatonic
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posted September 21, 2009 02:39 PM
that sounds about right, steelrose, the synastry is how the partners feel it, and the composite is how the relationship itself is seen and interacts with the world...you can also check the synastry between each individual and the composite to see how the relationship affects the people involved. for instance the composite between me and my daughter has sun square my venus and trine hers...ie i had to work my tail off to provide comfort and security for her...!! IP: Logged |
comica23
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posted September 21, 2009 03:27 PM
"Synastry = skeleton ; Composite = skin" -> Interesting. X3 In fact, composite is drawn through synastry.About their importance.. well, theoretically, the composite would be the determining chart, since it is the chart that shows whether the relationship itself works or not anyways. But I still think that they are both relevant - I'm currently wondering if composite actually bears the imprints/dynamics found in the synastry anyways, so that the problematic aspects in the composite can determine where/how the problematic aspects in the synastry manifests (just as the synastry shows the intensity/nature of the problems found in the composite). It's like, you can have a bad overall compatibility (synastry), yet things would still work out if the relationship itself is good (composite); just like you can have a hard relationship (composite) but still work it out if the couple is compatible (synastry). So, resuming, both charts are actually very important/relevant/informative, as the problems visible in both charts are actually linked - synastry can show the nature of the incompatibility problems, while composite can show where/how they manifest. IP: Logged |
Deux*Antares
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posted September 21, 2009 03:35 PM
Agree with Comica 100%.I just wanted to add that the problems that are very visible in the composite can be solved by using tools shown in the synastry (a.k.a. making adjustments in the couple's relationship based on the natals). IP: Logged |
scrappydog
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posted September 22, 2009 06:10 PM
I haven't been so sure about composites lately. I had a close venus mars conj in the 5th house in the composite with a guy I just broke it off with and there was NO sex there at all.IP: Logged |
staborgi
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posted September 23, 2009 01:19 AM
I have found composites to actually be pretty reliable when it comes to what will happen within relationship- how you guys will spend your time together, how you wont. In many composites I share with some of my best friends so example, I have noticed Sun/Venus/Merc conjunctions. Synastry I feel is more how your planetary energies interact with another persons. IP: Logged |
EighthMoon
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posted September 25, 2009 05:59 AM
In my experience, the composite is the outline or circumstances that you are given to work with for that particular relationship...kind of similar to how houses can work in synastry. Synastry has more to do with the feelings about eachother. Comparing natals to a composite is how you feel about the relationship itself.If I have a natal square, then that square with another person in synastry may feel more "comfortable" or familiar to me than a lot of trines. However, that same square in composite doesn't have to do with the interaction of emotions necessarily, but will indicate some kind of circumstance that the couple may or may not be able to overcome. Maybe bad synastry with a good composite would indicate those couples who fight, but stick it out. Good synastry and a bad composite may indicate the couples who love eachother intensely, but can't live together for various reasons. ("Good" and "Bad" of course being overgeneralizations.) 8th IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask
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posted September 25, 2009 06:53 AM
Composites are good to see what 'tone' the relationship will be in, IMO. But I wouldn't go looking at composite until the thing is a relationship for while, or else it'll be like, 'aww, but it says we're supposed to get along!' ...meanwhile the couple in the making is about to kill off each other LOL.
I've seen 'tones' in my composite from past (LONG TERM) relationships. It's my feeling that composites aren't accurate for short-term. A composite won't show if the thing is solid, even if it's got 7th house heaven and earth painted all over it...if the thing doesn't exist, then there's no substance what you're looking it - it's a mirage. But if you do look at it, and you've been with someone for a while, then check out also how the composite hits your natal chart, as 8th has mentioned. IP: Logged |
Deux*Antares
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posted September 25, 2009 07:36 AM
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Good synastry and a bad composite may indicate the couples who love each other intensely, but can't live together for various reasons.
Very true. I've seen lots of this. I also think the composite chart will show what lessons you'll get out of the relationship. IP: Logged |
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