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Lucia23
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posted September 22, 2009 09:22 PM
 
Diana, I struggle with this stuff ALL THE TIME, and I go back and forth between thinking that astrology offers useful and meaningful tools (if applied carefully, thoughtfully, and conscientiously...and not used to the exclusion of non-astrological tools)...and just thinking it's dumb and wrong. (I don't mean just when misapplied, but,period.) Trying to figure this out has been interesting and thought-provoking for me, though. Dervish, I also have a great deal of skepticism about scientific methodolgies...even though I have a lot of academic training, and the mainstream attitude is that those ideas are "right." (And that astrology is bunk, stupid, yooyoo.) I run into people whose ideas I think are totally, frighteningly, comically delusional on astrology websites sometimes, but there are also delusional scientists, and thoughtful, gifted astrologers. The only thing I genuinely, unambivalently believe is true and useful and not dumb is ART (including all the arts, creativity in general.) IP: Logged |
woah city
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posted September 22, 2009 10:07 PM
simple test: when you first discovered astrology and learned about your sun sign, didn't you feel an excited relief at feeling finally (though simplifiedly and generalizedly) understood, and looking back at your life from *before* you knew astrology, don't you find you fit your chart even then (meaning you didn't merely see what you wanted to see after having learned it)?IP: Logged |
Glaucus
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posted September 22, 2009 10:41 PM
not meI didn't believe in sunsign Astrology. Even now, I don't own a single sunsign Astrology book. My Gemini mother seemed more Scorpio than I was. Then I learned about moonsigns. I found out my moonsign is Pisces,and it made a lot of sense to me. I could strongly relate to it, especially having my Moon's co-dispositors,Jupiter and Neptune in Sagittarius square my Moon. Neptune square my Moon with 1'23 orb. On a hunch, I checked to see if my mom has Moon in Scorpio because the Scorpio mother fit her to a T,and she does. It turned out that she has Moon square Pluto too. also her Sun in Gemini is modified by a sextile AND parallel to Pluto.
Raymond
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woah city
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posted September 22, 2009 10:50 PM
maybe it's more of a relief for an aquarian then, since we are the nutballs and we've known it all our lives  but yeah sunsign astrology is very limited, i agree. IP: Logged |
Glaucus
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posted September 22, 2009 11:40 PM
I am a nutball too, I knew it all my life
I do have a strong Uranus influence. The heliocentric Uranus Nodes square my Ascendant/Descendant axis with 25 minutes of arc. Uranus is my oriental planet too. also Dane Rudhyar said that hard aspects to the outerplanets can indicate unconventional nature. Well...I have Neptune in hard aspects, especially the t-square with Moon,Saturn,Jupiter.
I would say that the transneptunian people can also be nonconformist types....especially if they have hard transneptunian aspects. I have strong transneptunian including hard aspects.
Chiron and the other centaurs are nonconformist types too.
I'd say Sedna with it having the greatest average distance and has an extremely eccentric orbit fits with being the most nonconformist object. It's classed as detached object. I have a strong,hard aspect to Sedna. Sun oppose Sedna with 44 minutes of arc in Right Ascension.
Eris is currently the most distant object right now. It has an extremely eccentric orbit. It is one of the most nonconformist objects. It's classed as scattered disk objects. Its discovery led to new planetary order. It's about challenging the status quo I have Sun conjunct South Eris Node with 10 minutes of arc. transneptunians make Uranus look ordinary.
Raymond
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cpn_edgar_winner
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From: Toledo, OH
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 23, 2009 07:09 AM
yes diana, i have wondered the same thing, but i do think sun sign astrology is telling. because you can look at people or talk to them once and pretty accurately guess thier sunsign. there have been many people who have guessed me a leo right off the bat. and i have also done it to others. so while it doesnt tell the whole picture it is telling. in fact, no one has ever guessed me any other sign.i also have been thinking about synastry vx composite as in synastry being more relevant. and at different points in our life transits affect us totally differently///but yes in retrospect sometimes i wonder, as in when people predict big global gloom and doom for certain transits, and the day comes and goes and nothing significant happened. i think it is good to question stuff. after all even medicine is a science with not much proven..everything is theoretic. but then certain things make me think some things are important and telling and wonder exactly what is it? like why have i met 3 people in the last year that have exact axis matches on mine. isn't that like phenominally against the odds? so, i guess i understand what you are saying as at times i question it myself, but other times it is uncanny and its like your on a trip and a map has been provided, so if you study the map, maybe you will find the best route to the best direction for you to head in....if that makes sense. IP: Logged |
iQ
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Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 23, 2009 08:27 AM
I had a similar experience to DD's, I found that the synastry and composite did not seem to fit, and then discovered that I had entered the wrong data.I would not blame the Astrologer who picked the positive from the incorrect synastry either. Any good human being would like to make see happy relationship and would encourage to focus on the positive and not dwell too much on that Pluto sq Saturn or Mars sq Mercury. And let us not forget the Law of Attraction.
If anyone wants to see Astrology as dumb or useless, she will attract more and more information from all the skeptics, more errors in interpretation, convinginly written articles by "science" experts who laugh at astrologers because Pluto is not a planet anymore and so on. This will reinforce the belief system of negating astrology until a thick wall covers all the astrology neurons. Fact will stay a fact. Astrology works.
Let me cite an interesting fact. That too from obscure Chinese Astrology.
Every time it is the Chinese Year of the Rooster, the World Cup Soccer Tournament is won by either Italy or Brazil out of nearly 30 very competent soccer playing nations. Not a single disbeliever in Astrology has ever come up with a rational explanation.
The odds are like one in 4 billion or so
[1/15 x 1/3 raised to the power of 6. Every third world cup is in the Year of the Rooster. ] Tobey said it correctly. Skeptical Scientists are frightened of Mathematicians and Mathematical Probability because Math always supports Astrology.
Like more than 80% of all nabbed German Spies in WW2 having a Sagittarius Sun.
[The probability of that is probably more than one in 400 billion as we have to take into account the total Germans who became foreign spies and do a 1/10 in that raised to the power of number of spies caught.] ------------------
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comica23
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posted September 23, 2009 09:51 AM
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And let us not forget the Law of Attraction.
If anyone wants to see Astrology as dumb or useless, she will attract more and more information from all the skeptics, more errors in interpretation, convinginly written articles by "science" experts who laugh at astrologers because Pluto is not a planet anymore and so on. This will reinforce the belief system of negating astrology until a thick wall covers all the astrology neurons.
"We just hear what we want to hear" often applies to skeptics too. When you refuse an idea/theory, you unconsciously belittle any proofs that are in favor of the idea/theory, while emphasize any proofs that are against it. quote:
I had a similar experience to DD's, I found that the synastry and composite did not seem to fit, and then discovered that I had entered the wrong data.
Add me to the list. XP Before getting my bf's birth time right, things doesn't seem very fitting. But after having it right, everything fits like puzzle, whether synastry or composite. IP: Logged |
amowls*
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From: richmond va
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 23, 2009 10:43 AM
I mean, you know how different charts in astrology can produce the same results. How similar (or congruent I should say) was the new chart to the old?Woah city, I remember being really jealous of Sagittarians because I thought their descriptions were so cool and I thought I was more like that than an Aquarius. Turns out the rulers of my Sun are both in Sag and I have a 9th house Sun and Mercury. IP: Logged |
DD
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posted September 23, 2009 10:50 AM
Well, when I read the Sag description, I thought it sounded great, but it didn`t really fit (actually reading Linda Goodman`s descripition was the first time I really UNDERSTOOD my own sign and how it actually fit).
Anyway back then I identified much more with Pisces.Later it turned out that Neptune is conjunct my ASC and my chartruler is in Pisces square Neptune. Oh and of course just recently I found out that my Draconic ASC and Mars are both in Pisces. IP: Logged |
oneruledbymars
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From: South Carolina
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 23, 2009 12:11 PM
I had kind of similiar experience to my ASC, my mom gave me the wrong time, it sounded good, Scorpio Asc do, but it wasnt me. When I learned it was Virgo everything made more sense.
So I had the reverse experience. IQ is right your mind pattern creates your experiences. Your thoughts are energy and are used to manifest things in the third dimension.
Thats why the book New Earth I think is so popular and has helped so many, he is using this Esoteric Law.
The best way to judge if you are doing the right thing is where your emotions are coming from are they vibrating from higher level or lower level energies. Is it a positive or negative experience you are having if it is negative you need to start with the man in the mirror. IP: Logged |
Diana
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posted September 23, 2009 01:18 PM
Hi,I can't really write right now, but I didn't want to desert my thread, especially when there's such amazing things written by everyone! I love this type of discussion. It's very thought provoking and useful. I obviously believe in it, but I get weird sometimes. I get doubts. It's like religion. You doubt sometimes, because it's normal and healthy to do so. You believe even more if you can doubt it, because it means you aren't going in on blind faith.
That's all I will say right now, because my mind is still mush. I'm sick, so I can't write good coherent things right now on serious topics like this. I also apologize if I came off biatchy. I get like that when I am sick. I have just been really aggravated and short latelly because of it.
But I do love reading everything you guys are saying, because it's very insightful.
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DD
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posted September 23, 2009 01:20 PM
I am sorry to hear that you are sick.But I get what you mean, it is good to keep a healthy dose of doubt and critical thinking and not become a blind follower.
From time to time I have that, too. Not about astrology in general, but about certain theories and techniques in astrology. IP: Logged |
comica23
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posted September 23, 2009 02:04 PM
Diana, it's good to have doubts, it's important that we restructure our thoughts and ideas in order to achieve a better understanding. ^_^Actually, it's good to hear that many people who are into astrology do have doubts too. It shows that we aren't blind believers, contrary to what skeptic people who doesn't understand astrology usually sees us as. This thread has been interesting and thought provoking, my t-square with Mars (Taurus/9th house) opposed to Pluto (Scorpio/3rd house) and squared to Jupiter (Aquarius/6th house) likes this~ X3 But well, I guess that I have also been a bit too aggressive here, I apologize for my aggressive comments. ^_^; IP: Logged |
woah city
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posted September 23, 2009 02:56 PM
haha, yeah for several years i thought i was capricorn rising cuz i'd had a professional cast my chart and that's what it came up as. i felt that it fit. turns out i'm a sag rising, but my progressed AC has been capricorn since i was a kid. i was also going through really hard stuff at that time that dulled my naturally enthusiastic nature, and i was much more demure and reserved than i wanted to be. amowls, you totally seem like an aquarius to me. i know everyone's a nutball in their own way but there's just something about aquarians. when we get together we really go to town, and it is pretty much pure nonsense. IP: Logged | |
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