posted September 23, 2009 03:39 PM         

take Zane Stein's keywords for instance:

Loss of innocence, entrance into adulthood; child's trauma being separated from parent; acceptance of unavoidable changes; dying and being reborn (as opposed to Pluto which rules the causes/processes of death and rebirth); internal split causing longing to be whole, the longing of the soul for its other half; the subject/object of a debate, argument, competition, conflict or war...what stirs people to fight or disagree; fighting for one's rights; strife and discord; pitting one side against the other; competition, contests and tournaments; struggles for supremacy; rivalry; a test of skills or abilities; love of fighting or debate; what one has at stake in a competition, dispute or conflict, or one's perspective of what is being fought over; refusing to relinquish one's hold on an ideal, belief, cause, or object...'not budging an inch'; the problems resulting from irreconcilable differences; contrasting different perspectives; comparing thesis and antithesis in the search for truth; contrasting opposing viewpoints to reveal each side more clearly, to seek similarities as well as differences; contrasting logical thought processes to show the limitations of logic; identifying with, or trying to understand, first principles; incongruous juxtapositions to force one to think outside of the box; the ethics connected with one's motives and methods, and the coming to light of less than spotless methods; the roots of one's motivations; piracy, defrauding, swindling; society's ethics; race intent. http://zanestein.com/keywords.html#Eris

Eris has a Persephone/Proserpina-like orbit which Eris' co-discoverer Michael Brown pointed out,and so Zane added Persephone/Proserpina symbolism to his keywords.

Michael Brown seemed to give the clue to Eris' meaning

“It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status.

In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.

“She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them think their opinions are right and everyone else’s is wrong,” Dr. Brown said. “It really is just perfect.” http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/14/scie nce/15xenacnd.html?ei=5088&en=76e98768560a96c2&ex=1315886400&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&pagewanted=all

Eris fit with ideology in general.

Also Eris is also about challenging the status quo...even more so than Uranus. It is far outer than Uranus. It's orbit is highly eccentric,and Uranus isn't. Heck...Eris' discovery led to a new planetary order.

President Obama has Sun trine/contraparallel Eris.

also Pluto also fits with politics because it's said to be associated with power.
I would also say the same for Pluto's fellow transneptunians too. Eris is one of them. The Plutinos are very similar to Pluto astronomically too,and so they are astrologically.

there are so many aspects that can indicate potential for politics. It definitely can't show if one's going to be a conservative or a liberal.

Jupiter-Uranus,Jupiter-Neptune,Jupiter-Pluto,Jupiter-Eris aspects, as well as Jupiter in aspect to other transneptunian objects could seem to fit with political potential,
but personal planets,angles involved would indicate more political potential

midpoints involving them can be indicators too

strong personal planet,angle aspects to heliocentric planetary nodes could to
Barack Obama has Sun conjunct the heliocentric North Neptune Node in Leo. He also has Sun sextile/trine Heliocentric Uranus Nodes in Gemini/Sagittarius

there are so many variables

fixed stars could be factors too

they could have major stars like Regulus,Aldebaran,Fomalhaut,Antares,Sirius,Arcturus,Betelgeuse,Rigel,Spica in alignment (ecliptic longitude,declination,or Right Ascension) with a personal planet or angle. They could be in a paran.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted September 23, 2009 04:02 PM         

katatonic

not all politicians are activists.

I think the aspects that downtomars was talking about seem to refer to political activists....especially Jupiter-Uranus.

Saturn aspects would seem to be prominent in politicians. After all, Saturn is the planet associated with authority.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted September 23, 2009 04:09 PM         

I have Sun in Aquarius in the 9th, Uranus in Sagittarius conjunct DSC, Jupiter in Aries in the 11th.

posted September 23, 2009 06:49 PM         

Barack Obama has Neptune in 10th sextile Pluto in 8th

10th house ruler Mars is in Virgo in 8th trine retrograde Saturn in Capricorn in 12th

7th house ruler Sun in Leo in 7th trine Eris in Aries in 3rd, square Neptune in 10th

11th house ruler retrograde Jupiter in Aquarius in 1st oppose 5th/8th house ruler Mercury in 7th

posted September 23, 2009 07:04 PM         

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too much aqua or uranus indicates dictatorship to me, as in getting carried away with the idea that one KNOWS what's good for everyone...

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posted September 23, 2009 07:25 PM         

stationary Mercury-Mars-Jupiter conjunction in Taurus in 8th square stationary Uranus in Leo in 5th

Sun and Venus in Gemini in 9th

Saturn-Midheaven conjunction and Pluto in Cancer in 10th
Saturn in 10th trine Eris in 6th

10th house ruler Moon-Ceres conjunction in Virgo in 12th square 8th house ruler Venus in Gemini in 9th

Stationary Lunar Nodes in Capricorn/Cancer in 4th/10th square Sedna in Aries in 7th

Neptune in Leo in 11th

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted September 23, 2009 07:37 PM         

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Saturn-Midheaven conjunction...Saturn in 10th trine Eris in 6th

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Saturn in Capricorn in 12th

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Those are very interesting, Saturn plays an important part obviously. You also have to be persistent to be a politician and people have to see you as responsible.

posted September 23, 2009 08:20 PM         

She gets very worked up and is quite opinionated. I try very very hard not to get into political conversations with her

I don't think she would ever become an activist though she wants things to change and is very vocal about it!

Uranus is conjunct her Sagittarius ASC. Uranus is the ruler of her IC
Jupiter the chart ruler and Uranus are Rx

A very loose Grand Cross is formed between
Eris (Rx) - 5th house Aries
Sun - 8th house Cancer
Pluto - 11th house Libra
Moon - 2nd house Capricorn

All cardinal (assertive) signs.

Jupiter conjunct Neptune within 7 degrees
(2nd and 1st house respectively)

Jupiter sextile Saturn (in 12th)

Neptune sextile Pluto (in 11th)

Saturn and Pluto are loosely conjunct by 10 degrees.

A Grand Trine is formed between
Eris in Aries - 5th
Mercury in Leo - 9th
Uranus conjunct ASC in Sagittarius

Saturn and Mars conjunct in Scorpio 12th house.

posted September 23, 2009 08:31 PM         

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posted September 24, 2009 12:33 AM         

I think 9th house influences can tell a lot, as well as Uranus/Jupiter stuff. Even Neptune/Jupiter (a blend of the idealist and philosophical).
I don't know about Saturn with politics. I mean, sure, Saturn can represent a more conservative view. But I don't think that's political necessarily - that would be a personal slant in whatever political point.
Saturn is about tradition to an extent.

posted September 24, 2009 01:25 AM         

Politics has become such a business, I guess to really make a change people have to stay with organizations or grassrootsy. That is where Neptune and Uranus come in!

posted September 24, 2009 04:32 AM         

Probably there are different aspects for different types of politicians, too.

Someone very conservative might lean towards the Saturnian Plutonian fraction, while progressive politicians might have strong Jupiter-uranus vibes.

posted September 24, 2009 11:16 AM         

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too much aqua or uranus indicates dictatorship to me, as in getting carried away with the idea that one KNOWS what's good for everyone...

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