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libraschoice7
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posted September 25, 2009 05:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for libraschoice7     Edit/Delete Message
Is this aspect as heavy as it seems? I've read some scary stuff on the net about it, they make it sound almost like a punishment of some sort just for having it. Any thoughts?

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Lara
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posted September 25, 2009 05:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
What kind of aspect?

I have it almost exact in quincunx. Not sure how i'm supposed to feel but my life is extremely karmic.

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Kamots
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posted September 25, 2009 05:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kamots     Edit/Delete Message
Don't be scared It's probably just a need for transformation. Kind of like the phoenix's rise from it's ashes.

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libraschoice7
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posted September 25, 2009 05:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for libraschoice7     Edit/Delete Message
Hard aspects to the NN.. the trines, and sextiles don't seem to kick your butt as badly as the rough ones lol.

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Lara
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posted September 25, 2009 05:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
OK well i know the quicunx is a nasty aspect.

I have a problem with my NN. It's exact cj my saturn and almost exact cj my moon/venus.

OUCH! :O

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libraschoice7
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posted September 25, 2009 05:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for libraschoice7     Edit/Delete Message
I am trying not to be afraid of this aspect, but when you read stuff about it like "submit completely to a higher force or pay the price" it makes me wonder, what exactly does it mean? I am suppose to give more of myself, or be more humble? Unfinished karma perhaps that will sneak up on me in an unpleasant way when I am not looking? Lara you are one strong lady, it puts through a test almost it seems. Very boot camp like aspect when Pluto is involved like that.

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Lara
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posted September 25, 2009 06:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
Libraschoice - you just described my life... BOOTCAMP!

and yes, when you say "ignore the higher force and pay the price" - sadly, i did just that and i'm paying dearly.

I just tell myself that the next life will be roses and honey

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MyVirgoMask
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posted September 25, 2009 07:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
I've got the square to my NN and I've currently living through the transiting conjunction.

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LuvinU
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posted September 25, 2009 07:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LuvinU     Edit/Delete Message

Natally, I have pluto/nn libra conjunction opposing my moon in aries. There is always something in anything that catches my attention, inside and/or outside - forget it. I would say this energy, depending on aspects and location can be obsessive, needs-to-know and downright RUDE at times but never boring. It doesn't care about backlash but you may. One part of me cares about the length of this post and is stalling and rechecking (thanks natal saturn contact, as well) to send it while the other part says - get the message through and length isn't the issue.

This pluto/nn energy is 10xs more powerful beyond the physical. Once I can balance and make optimal use of it's energy, I wouldn't be fussing about it like this. Don't get me wrong, it's much better now, tons of fun when I don't scarily subject it to physical rules and regulations and it's getting better and better. At times, I'd rather consciously drop it and can find a distraction for a limited time only but my subconscious doesn't always agree so imagine the power struggles between the two - there are no such things as "void" moments. This energy is older and bigger operating through my subconscious and beyond the physical than through my conscious and solely physical environment - how could you get around it? :-) Target it? Maybe. This energy seems to ALWAYS find a way by communicating in any and every way it can get through.

Consciously - I'd say I'm one of the driest, stay in lane, got issues type people ever but my subconscious has a vivid imagination, a great sense of direction, can be pushy, is an annoying know-it-all, very hyper, extremely flighty and flashy and has an uncanny ability to go wherever it wants to because of this energy / consciously, this energy shows itself in being able to independently study and block out outside distractions for long periods of times to really get to the bottom of things, as I see fit, IF my subconscious says ok (which, if it's involved - it's always ok with it). They are great and can be scary when working closely together.

I swear - I don't understand how we got paired up. I've heard the - 'power to sway an audience for good or bad so be careful' and it's ability to 'boldly go where angels fear to tread' and I agree on the going where angels fear to dread but I am not quite at 'power to sway an audience for good or bad' but can understand how that is possible. I'd say the power to sway an audience for good or bad comes from the fact that even though my subconscious knows what's going on and is saying 'I got your back', I consciously don't know why I know, see and/or hear the things I do so therefore, I don't know whether it's a good thing or bad thing, a destructive thing or not but consciously - I hope I help, not hinder, someone somehow because of these escapades. I'd just suggest - let this energy tell you, show you, whatever it wants you to know and/or see as much as you can handle without letting it get its way all of the time especially if you sit down every time it happens. In other words - get something from the experience and use it but remember, it knows no bounds so it can be the oddest thing you will tell yourself it's not true or happening. You do have the control just not so much that you get to pick and choose. You can make suggestions and jump in.

It is boundless, can seem like an extremely rude energy and since it’s a pluto/NN conjunction – I’d pay attention to when and where and what you are doing when it's off and running and the way it dies down when the focus is "right" because that singular focus may hold the 'key' - whatever that is. At times, it’s like a child tugging at your pants trying to get your attention. For instance, you really want to go to this play. You get there and while you are watching this play you have been dying to see and absolutely love – a thought/vision/whatever comes through that totally takes you off of what’s going on in the play. It could be any thought from the history of one of the actors on stage (damn, how embarassing - most of the times, the person will look right at you and smile as if they know and it's ok by them which usually tames the energy), to being ‘taken’ to a time and place where you may have experienced this play (alright - that's then, this is now so stop it mush), to seriously wondering if someone you know is ok (not that you hadn't thought this already today - you just forgot to check which is why it's still popping up). Warning, this can seriously bleep you off because now you are wondering, when you are going to get back to the play, right? Lights on, everyone is clapping and it sounds like they are a zillion miles away – you are now really bleeped off because you missed this play!!!!!! Why couldn't it make it's point before or even after the damn play was over?! Because it absolutely has to make sure you know it's there and what better way to do it but to interrupt you in the middle of something or make a grand entrance. BTW, Deja vu is another funny thing that comes with this energy.

Bottom Line: It's a VERY ambitious energy.

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libraschoice7
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posted September 25, 2009 10:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for libraschoice7     Edit/Delete Message
Holy moly LuvinU what a description! It seems there's no way around this one I suppose. Its seems everyone is extremely aware of this aspect and tales to tell lol...

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