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DepTaurus
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posted September 26, 2009 03:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DepTaurus     Edit/Delete Message
i have been thinking about this for about a while now and i was wondering if our true node is more powerful alone in one sign one element one house. or if it gives a more powerful influence in our lifes when its conjunct any other planet or making any aspects big or small to any other planet in general.

i also wanted to know what the influence would be if you had true node or any planet in the same sign but it was too far away to be a conjunction.also the same for,square,opposition,trine,sextile. like for example in my chart i have true node in aquarius at 11 degrees and i also have my moon in aquarius at 24 degrees.but its too far away to be a conjunction would it have the same influence because there both in the same sign. or would the influence be greater if it was both in the same sign and conjunct.what are your thoughts. do you also have something similar like this in your chart.

also where is your true node and what is it doing in your chart.
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belgz
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posted September 26, 2009 03:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for belgz     Edit/Delete Message
i have moon and N.N at 25deg gemini both conjunct my MC. I have no idea what it means. I already have sun, mars and mercury in cancer.

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lalalinda
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posted September 26, 2009 04:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message
Hello Dep Taurus,

The Nodes act as Karmic points in Astrology.
The South Node shows Karma that you're bringing with you and dealing with now.
(conjunct the Moon would show your Mother)

The North Node shows the path to enlightenment.

If you're interested in the Nodes, start with Martin Schullmann, he's very good and he will give you a good idea of the Karmic implications involving the Nodes.

Good Luck

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Lara
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posted September 26, 2009 05:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
Oh gosh Dep,

for me it is extremely potent being cj my moon/venus/saturn. It's almost unbearable at times and yet, the karma/lessons are always just about achievable.

Does that help?

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DepTaurus
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posted September 26, 2009 07:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DepTaurus     Edit/Delete Message
lala thanks for the suggestion
lara yeah i guess it helps a bit.
and belgz i know you feel i dont know either.
but i am intrested in what you said about the mother think lala. very intresting.

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cpn_edgar_winner
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posted September 26, 2009 08:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cpn_edgar_winner     Edit/Delete Message
interesting placement lara. may i ask which house?

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blue moon
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posted September 26, 2009 08:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message
Someone on LL got right arsey with me when I said, "it's not a conjunction it's not the same strength", about planets in the same sign but wide of a conjunct connection. It was a synastry thing, which was why she got the huff.

Anyway, no, it's not a conjunction, but never ignore the nodes. That's my view.

Mine? Aqua 3rd house Conjunct Mars, and also Square Mercury/Venus and the Ascendant. Bit of dodgy T-Square action. What does it mean? Well, I reached the conclusion before hitting charts that I have to work on holding back my strong feelings and opinions. I don't always manage it, but I try. The Nodes are strong with my husband's chart and blends into a Grand Cross.

Have a look first at house and sign. That should give some clues. Then bring in aspects.

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DD
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posted September 26, 2009 09:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
My True Node is in Sag in 1st house conjunct my Neptune, ASC and Mars, sextile Pluto and squaring chartruler Jupiter.

It`s difficult for me to say what does what, as it is not easy to differentiate between my NN and my ASC.

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posted September 26, 2009 09:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
CPN - sure. 10th house.

saturn 18' aries
NN 18' aries
moon 21' aries
venus 21' aries
all bloody quincunx pluto @ 20' virgo :-s

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DepTaurus
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posted September 26, 2009 12:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DepTaurus     Edit/Delete Message
blue moon you do make agood point when it come to nodes never underestimate the power of which it beholds.

sounds like some lord of the rings rcap lol.

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oneruledbymars
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posted September 26, 2009 01:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for oneruledbymars     Edit/Delete Message
See, when it comes to things like that I look at the energy. Consider this Dep.

If your Your NN is in Aquarius and so is your Moon. It is like a gift. This means that deep down you have a natural understanding of the Enegies that your Lifepath requires. Aquarius is a very intuitive energy, intelligent, witty, outgoing, dealing with the public, and being well recieved, Aquarian energy wants to make the world a better place through a collaborative project. People with this NN would be totally interested in making this world a better place. Aquarian the water bearer brings buckets of the element water pouring out his ideas, and insights on the world around him. Cleansing and refreshing it as it were. It would give you a near genius level of intelligence. A natural physical manifestation of such an energy.
So look at your current lifepath do you understand that about yourself, and your life path and the Aquarian approach you must learn to have with it. No doubt your probably have had to overcome or still overcome the Leo South Node. Consider what is written about this at Cafe Astrology:


"A tendency to become overly attached to the drama of romance and personal relationships, to be willful and overly focused on getting what we want, and to resist being "one of the crowd" in an effort to stand out as unique and special, are some of the issues this position suggests. With this position, we need to let go of our fears in relationships by offering freedom to our partners instead of expecting our partners to act as we want them to act, to accept that we are all equal and that we can still be special if we belong to a community, to move towards greater impartiality, and to cultivate sensitivity to the needs of others. By letting go of the strong desire of getting what we want in the here and now, satisfaction will come more easily as we find that we get what we need. Our personal relationships and romances will suffer when we take things too personally, and expect others to follow a certain script that we have unconsciously written for them. Learning to let go of the need for drama and attention, and moving towards a more objective approach to our lives, as well as cultivating true friendships, will help us to achieve a greater sense of balance. Our relationships with others—as well as our relationship with ourselves—will benefit"

I dont know why that popped in my head. Does reading that resonate with you ?


This aspect could indicate that you dont as there is space between your lifepath and your moon, so perhaps these energies appear hidden in your matrix to you. If it is. Then this is a key to you. If it was a snake it would have bitten you.
This could also indicate by certain aspects of your mother to be although not totally supportive of your views at least understanding. But if afflicted could show that she has never quite understood your lifepath.
My NN squares my Moon. My mom understood me until I started walking my lifepath. We were close before that. I was not happy. I started walking my lifepath. My mom is hurt, but she is starting to understand. I have never been happier in my entire life. Nor my lifepath so clear. She will come around eventually and our connection will be stronger than ever, as the square is disintergrating. Make sense?

Its hard to just look at that connection and tell you, I would have to ask.
What is your relationship to your mom in light of what I just said? By your experiences of these energies you can map exactly what that aspect is telling you.


My NN is at 16 Virgo. Loosely conjunct My Acscendant at 8 Virgo, Angel at 11 Virgo, and Saturn at 7 Virgo, Valentine at 12.
There is alot to be said there. But summing it up. My lifepath my Spiritual path in this life has been very strict. It had to be for me to learn discipline properly. You know the bad little boy who has to get beat until he learns that if his mom says dont cross the road he shouldnt because its not a game, and that car could have killed him just now.
Even my soul mate relationships have been restricted in some form or another. They had to be, no matter how painful they have been for me to learn unconditional love. And that the greatest love is inside of me. I am here to give it, only then will I recieve it. And the when, where and hows are what the Universe decides.


No they are not conjunct but the energies are the same, so my lifes Karmic experiences have kept me very close to my lifepath, I viewed it as restrictions my entire life, but now I see it is protection. It is just all how we look at it.
As far as it being near the Ascendant, well that is naturally an energy I project into the world. A spiritually, disciplined, soul, walking his lifepath, with terrible heartbreaks along the way. Thats nothing I pretend to be, that is what I am. I resonate to that energy.

I thought it was interesting too that your NN is in Aquarius, and even in this thread you are showing that by making your spiritual progression in this matter a collaborative effort. *wink*
To cute....

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DD
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posted September 26, 2009 01:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
ORBM,

"They had to be, no matter how painful they have been for me to learn unconditional love. And that the greatest love is inside of me. I am here to give it, only then will I recieve it. And the when, where and hows are what the Universe decides."

That is EXACTLY what I had to learn!
And funny. my Nn on 10 Sag conjuncts my ASC and Angel on 7 Sag, too.

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oneruledbymars
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posted September 26, 2009 02:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for oneruledbymars     Edit/Delete Message
Strange we have that lesson, in light of who you are to me.
Looks like we inherited those Karmic restrictions in crime together!
Thats is why that resonates.
*wink*

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DD
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posted September 26, 2009 02:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
Yeah, maybe we both were used to take instead of giving.

But I don`t think I really understand what I am to you. And no that is not a fishing for compliments, just an attempt to understand.

Even if we shared what we shared in a previous life, what purpose of knowing about it does it have in this life?
How does it assist us on our path?

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posted September 26, 2009 03:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
orbm, yr node is on my venus! AND we have conj saturns...

my node is in aries (conj lara's!) and in 2nd or 3rd depending on house system...i see the nodes as a balancing act, the south gives you tools and knowledge to implement the north. my NN is trine sun/pluto on one side and vesta(!) on the other...through the arts and others' "stuff" i have learned to take care of myself, slowly giving up putting others first, but those libra wiles have really helped me get there...when i acted too arien i felt the hurt generated by walking on other peoples' toes...

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Lucia23
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posted September 26, 2009 03:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message
I think the Nodes are very powerful and useful to work with, whether they are closely aspected in the natal chart or not.

All of our nodes get activated in synastry, in conjunction to other people's planets, and to transiting planets...and I also find it useful to relate the tropical nodes to Draconic planet placements.

One question about the Nodes--some astrologers (our own Denise/OrigamiSalami, for one, based on an article on her web site) see the Node person in synastry as the one who learns a lesson from the planet person, if there's a conjunction. Whereas Jan Spiller, author of a book on Nodes, sees the PLANET person as learning from the Node person. Denise thinks only tight conjunctions and oppositions are significant, and to a very slight extent the square...while some astrologers see all aspects to the nodes as significant in activating energy.

I want to look very carefully at Nodal conjunctions in the natals, synastry, and draconic charts of people I know well to see if I can come up with an application that works for me...but I know that since I started working with my own natal NN (which is alone in its house and not tightly aspecting anything), I have learned a LOT.

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posted September 26, 2009 03:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
Yes, Lucia - i find it frustrating that opinions differ with whom learns from whom.

With an exact sun cj NN with someone, its a pretty significant aspect and yet i have no idea whose lesson it is.

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DepTaurus
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posted September 26, 2009 04:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DepTaurus     Edit/Delete Message
ORBM- 1 about the south node thing i dont really get attached to anything or anyone i dont really care much of what is going on with others and there dram and relationships.

2 i do resist being on of the crowd not because i want to be my own unique person its because i guess i like generally to be alone.
but thats a cool thing i should check out cafe astrology have not been there in an while.

i dont know about the realtionship with my mother. i really love her alot and shes cool as hell. but i dont tihnk moon has anything to do with my mom just because its near my nn. i think it has something to do with my emotions inside since its my moon.

well am i the only one with an aquarius NN why is it weriod explain please.

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posted September 26, 2009 04:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DepTaurus     Edit/Delete Message
quote:
its a pretty significant aspect and yet i have no idea whose lesson it is..

i dont think its whos lesson is it. it must always be lessons for both to experince since its always a new experince since its a different relationship for both people to experince.so in turn both people have to learn new lessons.

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posted September 26, 2009 04:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for comica23     Edit/Delete Message
My NN is at Taurus/9th house, but ironically, I have a full 8th house and Saturn/Pluto in Scorpio. Well, I can clearly see what are my main life lessons the NN represents, and I can see what issues related to Scorpio that I have to overcome. But one thing I've learn is that to reach my destination doesn't mean to forget about my issues, but to overcome them. And so I see my strong Scorpio theme in my chart somehow useful.

It is important to understand the main theme of our charts in order to understand how to reach our destinations.

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lalalinda
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posted September 26, 2009 04:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message
Hello Dep Taurus,

We have a misunderstanding
(probably the way I wrote it)

The South Node is Karma from the past
not the NN.
If the NN is conjunct the Moon this would show that the Mother will help/teach you lessons that will help you reach your potential or enlightenment.

The SN should be the past
the NN the future.

I hope that's better

edited to add: watch the Ascendant Ruler,
if it's Cancer (Moon) that could signify you
(as in being responsible for your own Karmic enlightenment)
or if Cancer is on the Descendant that could signify the partner.

There are so many variables with Astrology

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DepTaurus
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posted September 26, 2009 05:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DepTaurus     Edit/Delete Message
oh no lala you didnt confuse me. i got what you said.
i was replying to what ORBM had written about south nodes. thats all.

i tihnk i meant to say NN instead of south node so i tihnk it was the mistake on my part.

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oneruledbymars
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posted September 26, 2009 06:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for oneruledbymars     Edit/Delete Message
DD, Im going to respond to that on our thread, so as not to disrupt Dep's.

Dep, I dont want you to think that I was singling you out. I just thought maybe something in it would ring true to you. I am glad you will check that place out, I like the way the describe things there, very balanced not a whole lot of sugar coating, not that Im knocking "love and light" you know, lol.
I just like to read through that, because it reminds of how much you have grown, and the things you have overcome.

If your mom is cool, then it could show that naturalness there because of smiliar energies, thats why I commented on that.
You never know in those cases, that is why I asked.

Interesting.
Do you connect with your emotions, are you able to decipher them and freely express them?
Are they of the Negative or Positive side of the spectrum? As this influences your actions.
Sometimes you can see this in aspects to the Moon?
I always find Aquarius moons interesting, such brillian minds. What degree is it, I wonder if its close to my Vertex?

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posted September 26, 2009 07:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for oneruledbymars     Edit/Delete Message
Kat. Thats a heavy hitting aspect.
I have that with one of my bestfriends.
That means your Saturn figures heavily in my Synastry as well.

Things that make you go hmmmm...........

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posted September 26, 2009 07:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message
quote:
i dont think its whos lesson is it. it must always be lessons for both to experince since its always a new experince since its a different relationship for both people to experince.so in turn both people have to learn new lessons.

But, some astrologers argue that the NN can only receive energy, not give off energy like a planet...so that within the interaction of that one isolated aspect (of course there's the rest of the synastry to consider), the node part is passive and receives energy from the planet, while the planet doesn't receive anything from the node.

Lara, I totally agree, and I have that problem with so much of synastry in general--the whole "who feels what"? thing...

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