posted September 30, 2009 06:30 PM            

I was reading the following link about The Trutine of Hermes provided by milyi in scorpio.rising's thread discussing rectification of the time of birth

http://altairastrology.wordpress.com/2009/04/25/getting-star ted-with-rectification-trutine-of-hermes-and-animodar/

but I got distracted by the conception chart. I had looked at it previously and being aqua (and human), I should have been conceived in may of the previous year. I had read on the web that in india, astrologers count 9 months minus a week, why? I don't know! (I mean minus a week !?) I never had any confirmations of it so I remained open-minded to an alternative.

now, reading the link above, I did the calculations for myself and found that I could have been conceived on may 1st 1979. that corroborate the 9 months minus a week theory because I was born on february 7th, and because my parents probably had to remain busy on may 1st.

so after doing the calculations too find out the day, I thought logical to look for the time of conception, therefore finding a rising sign and so on.

the whole procedure to find the day is as follow:

quote:

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First we need to locate the Moon in the unrectified chart, let us call it the ‘base chart’. Is it above or below the horizon?
Next we need to calculate the distance from Moon to Ascendant (if the Moon is under the horizon) and from Moon to Descendant (if the Moon is above the horizon)
After that we refer to the table provided by Lilly (If the Moon is above the horizon every twelve degrees between Moon and Descendant  is incremented by a day, beginning with 258 days gestation. If the Moon is below the horizon each 12 degrees between Moon and Ascendant is incremented by one day, beginning with a gestation period of 273 days – you can refer to the article The Moon and Gestation here at Altair Astrology for more detail)
Once we have the number of days of gestation we need to find the day. Convert the birth date into the Julian day and then subtract the gestation period, then convert this Julian Day back to the Georgian date. The Calendar Converter at fourmilab can do this, but most astrology software should have this function.
Once we have the date we can refer to an ephemeris and see if the Moon is indeed near the Ascendant degree of the base chart.

source-- link above

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to find the time, I played with astro.com until the moon was precisely on the degree of my rising sign,

et voila, my parents probably conceived me on may 1st 1979 at 3:30 pm

interestingly my conception chart aspects a few planets of my natal,

C. sun/chiron sextile N. Asc (1°35)
C. sun/chiron trine N. mars (2°05)
C. sun/chiron trine jupiter (2°31)
C. venus square N. Asc (1°29)
C. mars sextile N. sun (0°59)
C. mars opposite N. pluto (2°48)
C. mars trine N. neptune (3°10)
C. jupiter quincunx N. mercury (0°36)
C. saturn conjunct N. jupiter (0°21)
C. uranus square N. sun (1°25)
C. pluto trine N. sun (0°43)
C. Asc conjunct N. mars (2°00)

posted September 30, 2009 08:34 PM            

quote:

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The Trutine of Hermes has as a working premise that the placement of the Moon at the time of birth is that of the Ascendant at conception, and that the degree of the Ascendant at birth is that of the Moon at conception.

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Apparently I was conceived on St. Patrick's Day. That explains so much.

posted September 30, 2009 08:58 PM            

In it, the Sun is at 26º Pisces. That puts it exactly opp my n.Saturn at 26º Virgo.

I noticed a while back how often that degree comes up for me in synastry. So many people I'm close to have something there, +/- a degree.

I also recently checked out progressed new moons over at astro.com. My prenatal new moon was at 26º Scorpio (cnj my natal Mercury exactly). My progressed new moon then happened when I was around 10, at 26º Sag. The next one will be happening in my late 30's, at 26º Cap. Then it'll happen again when I'm in my late 60's, at 26º Aqua.

I've checked out progressed new moons for some other people I know. In my small sample, it usually does keep occurring at the same degree, but not always. Still, mine had to be at 26º!

(I haven't yet researched progressed new moons/prenatal new moons, so I don't know what they're supposed to signify.)

posted September 30, 2009 09:14 PM            

oh, my natal venus is at 27°07 pisces

posted October 01, 2009 01:24 AM              

How do you work around that? I know the exact time 2 of my friends fell pregnant through IVF so i can confirm to see if it is correct.

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•' •.♥♫♫´°°♫ • Life is Beautiful •.♥.•♫°°´♫♫ ♥ •

•Sun• Cancer
•Moon• Gemini
•Mars• Cancer
•Mercury• Cancer
•Venus• Leo

posted October 01, 2009 01:43 AM              

Her son was born on the 27th august 2008 at 14:46pm sydney / australia

OMG ok here goes...

On the day of conception ascendant was roughly around 10 degrees cancer and on hisbirth chart he has moon at 16 degrees cancer, thats freaky lol but i still need more proof.

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•' •.♥♫♫´°°♫ • Life is Beautiful •.♥.•♫°°´♫♫ ♥ •

•Sun• Cancer
•Moon• Gemini
•Mars• Cancer
•Mercury• Cancer
•Venus• Leo

posted October 01, 2009 01:53 AM              

On the day this baby was conceived the moon was in cancer a (female) sign, but a male was conceived. So then that theory must be incorrect.

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•' •.♥♫♫´°°♫ • Life is Beautiful •.♥.•♫°°´♫♫ ♥ •

•Sun• Cancer
•Moon• Gemini
•Mars• Cancer
•Mercury• Cancer
•Venus• Leo

posted October 01, 2009 03:06 AM              

My friend ***** was told she was having a girl and when she gave birth he turned out to be a boy.

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•' •.♥♫♫´°°♫ • Life is Beautiful •.♥.•♫°°´♫♫ ♥ •

•Sun• Cancer
•Moon• Gemini
•Mars• Cancer
•Mercury• Cancer
•Venus• Leo

posted October 01, 2009 03:26 AM            

it's like when i read being cancer rising i should have a round face, be quite small and walk sideways.

yeah right, cancer rising walk sideway ???
and pisces riser don't use their legs but lie on the floor and "swim"?

it's a bit too literal to me

posted October 01, 2009 07:21 AM            

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I must say using this theory (natal ASC exactly to the minute conjunct conception Moon and conception ASC conjunct natal Moon)

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DD, i didn't try the conception asc conjunct natal moon, that is a new idea. i'll do check that later today.

posted October 01, 2009 08:14 AM            

I took the idea from this quote, Jane already quoted form the article

"The Trutine of Hermes has as a working premise that the placement of the Moon at the time of birth is that of the Ascendant at conception, and that the degree of the Ascendant at birth is that of the Moon at conception."

Doesn`t that sound as if both premises must be fulfilled?

posted October 01, 2009 09:01 AM            

is it possible?

cause when i put the conception moon on the degree and minute of my natal asc, i end up with a conception asc 48 degrees away from the position of my natal moon.

so i assume you mean doing these two operations in 2 different chart, don't you?

edit: i checked the conception asc on the natal moon and apart from Asc and mc, nothing changed from the chart based on the conception moon on the asc.

posted October 01, 2009 11:55 AM            

the birthchart
the conceptionchart

The Moon in my natal chart has to be the ASC of the conception chart. in my case: Moon is on 17°06 AQuarius, so I choose the time when ASC at the 14th march 1974 (my conception date apparently) is on 17°06 Aquarius.

Then I look up the Moon in the conceptionchart for that time and ASC of 17 Aquarius. It is at 5°24 Sagittarius.

Then I go back to my birth chart and rectify it until 5°24 Sag is on the ASC, then I check the Moon again. If it has changed for a few minutes, I have to do the whole procedure all over again, until both fit.

posted October 01, 2009 03:02 PM            

In the chart on its own there was a:

- Moon-Neptune-conjunction in Sag (with Neptune conjunct MC on 11 Sag) (opposing my Draco Moon)

-Sun-Karma-conjunction in Pisces (conjunct my Draco ASC!)

- exact Venus-Mars trine in Aquarius and Gemini (make that a Grand trine of Venus, Mars and Pluto. lol)

- a Kite between Moon / Neptune, Pluto, Venus and Mars

- a Greand trine between Mercury/Jupiter, Saturn and Uranus in Airsigns

- Eros on the ASC

the synastry aspects with my natal chart are not uninteresting either:

- C Moon, Neptune, MC conjunct natal Mars, Neptune, NN

- C Venus trine natal Pluto exact

- C-Mars conjunct natal SN and DESC and opposes natal Mars, sextiles natal Pluto

- C-Saturn opposes natal Sun

- C - NN conjunct natal Sun and Mercury (and my prenatal Newmoon)