posted October 01, 2009 03:15 AM         

I am in my early 20s but I look like a 14-16 year old. I am 5'2 and I weigh 95 pounds, I barely have breasts...if you can even call them 'breasts'. I have always been told that I am cute, I have never been hot or sexy.

Some women envy me, most women want to be my mother, most men want to take care of me and protect me, and then, there are some old-disgusting men who try to make a pass at me.

Other than genetics, the environment, etc.
What may be the chart placements that add a person's physical attributes in regards to the cuteness factor?

I wonder if taurus has something to do with this since I have met some taurus girls who are very petite with cute-childlike faces...

Chart:

Thanks!

posted October 01, 2009 03:41 AM         

I've never been called cute, btw. I think you might be right about the Moon on the ASC. On my chart, Mars is Square the ASC, and Venus in Opposition. It gives a different vibe! Moon on my chart is in Libra, conjunct Pluto and BML (and all 3 liliths). This pretty much obliterates the cute factor.

Mercury in the 7th, that is another placement we share. On your chart it is Opposite your Moon, and rules your 5th house. I think you will get frustrated and unhappy if you aren't taken seriously for your opinions. I have always found that if my Mercury or Sun is Trine someone elses Mercury then these relationships are up there with the best. Maybe look out for that one in synastry charts, you might find that too.

I would count the orb on that Mars T-Square. It pulls in the Moon/Mercury Oppostion and also the Sun as Mercury's companion. Mars at the apex in Aqua demands to treated as an equal. Guess what... I have a fixed Mars T-Square with Mars in Aqua! Glaucus is also a Mars in Aqua person, I think you will see from his posts this tendency comes through. With Mars in 10th I think your career is a good place to channel your energies and squash the cutesy image. You are just 2 seconds from an exact Sun/Mars Square. You can get aggressive, alright.

posted October 01, 2009 04:10 AM         

venus is ascendant ruler and its in a mercurial house, virgo's house, and tends not to think too highly of herself in that placement - feeling that she'll only be valued if she works for another's affections, etc. so you basically have a lot of your chart tied up in other people's image of you, esp the sun in h7. you need the relationships to figure yourself out but you also need to stand on your own after you learn about yourself what you need to know.

posted October 01, 2009 04:21 AM         

Thanks for replying, I honestly did not exactly get the mars t-square, mercury ruling my 5th house, BML, wow...the mercurial and lunar aspects of my chart...interesting! But I did grasp all of the basic explanations.

Now...in regards to my career, this is the reason I brought up this topic. I am in law school and one of my professors joked that with my looks and my voice, how will I be able to command presence in the courtroom in front of a judge?

Another classmate, a male..was there and he was talking about my confidence and the way he is lucky that he has a strong voice...blah..blah.

I don't want to work in the courtroom at all, and let me tell you, I have a strong personality and I do have confidence. It is not manly but strong with a feminine flair. So, I am no damsel in distress.

But, I do wonder, when it comes to the law profession and moving up in regards to one's career in America, it seems you need to act tough and strong like a man...get what I mean? And....that is not me.

posted October 01, 2009 05:16 AM         

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How will I be able to command presence in the courtroom in front of a judge?

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By the force of your argument.

Mercury Square Mars.

Use your femininine nature, don't fight it! Maybe you can present emotionally persuasive legal arguments Moon Square Mars. Empathy, emotional understanding, they do have their place in a career. Use the Moon on Ascendant to its best advantage. You won't grow 6 inches overnight so there is no point getting too hung up on how you look.

T-Squares are tough and need to be worked with, but they can give you the push you need.

posted October 01, 2009 12:26 PM         

As for attracting lots gross old men, I believe this happens to ALL attractive women/girls, whether we look younger than we are or not, whether we are waifish or busty, whether we would be called "cute", "pretty", "sexy", whatever.

Not sure what would put "cuteness" specifically in the chart.

posted October 01, 2009 01:03 PM         

I think cute can be attractive.

I look younger than my age

if it wasn't for facial hair,I'd look like I have a baby face

I have Virgo Ascendant. I wonder if having transneptunian dwarf planet, Haumea (named after Hawaiian fertility/creation goddess) in my 1st house conjunct my Ascendant with 2'12 orb can be the indicator of having a somewhat feminine,ethereal type of appearance. Some people thought I was a pacific islander. My 1st house ruler Mercury is in Scorpio in 3rd conjunct/parallel Venus, parallel Neptune, and square Saturn. It is also square transneptunian dwarf planet Makemake with 2'01. In Right Ascension, I have Mercury sextile Ascendant less than 1 degree orb.

I think the black,Portuguese,and Spanish in me factors into it.

my mom's side of the family don't wrinkle easily. That's the Portuguese,Spanish side. my mom is 55 years old,and she barely has a wrinkle.

I also read the part of fortune might have something to do with appearance.

In the book,WHOLE SIGN HOUSES THE OLDEST SYSTEM An Ancient Method in Modern Application, Robert Hand said that houses could be read from the part of fortune,part of spirit as well as other parts. The whole sign house method is used.

I found this from the following site:

"The eleventh lot-house signifies the state of strength and health, medicine, and its administration. It also signifies the face and neck. Furthermore, it is known as 'The Acquisition', and indicates acquisition and giving of goods and possessions." http://www.astrozoom.com/blog/astrology_articles/lot_houses/

I have Moon in Pisces in 11th house from my Part of Fortune, and so I guess I have lunar,and Piscean look to my face.

Sedna has been in Taurus for a long time

Sedna would be in your 1st house if using whole sign house system regardless of the degree that Sedna is in.

I am wondering if Sedna conjuncts your Ascendant within 3 degrees. If Sedna conjunct your Moon in 1st within 3 degrees could be significant could also reflect the appearance.

I believe that Pluto's fellow transneptunians fill in the blanks.

Your Mercury oppose Ascendant can indicate a youthful appearance.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted October 01, 2009 10:41 PM         

I am actually very good at making persuasive/emotional arguments so I shall practice at this.

posted October 01, 2009 11:03 PM         

Moon and Mercury aspects to the Asc, or as rulers of Asc can make one appear childlike (moon) and youthful (mercury), thats including Virgo (for some reason more than gemini) or Cancer rising.

Saturn aspecting the asc/ruling it seems to make one appear older when young, but younger when old...you sort of age in reverse by starting at being older than your years, and getting younger with time.

Hikoro you have both moon and mercury aspecting the AC, hence the neonatal cuteness

posted October 01, 2009 11:21 PM         

could you please check out the natal placement of your Sedna

that might also be a factor

It's been in Taurus for a long time,and so I know that you have Sedna in Taurus. I am curious about it's exact placement in your chart

it's in the 1st house if using whole sign houses any way, and so it does have to do with your appearance.

if you want to know more about Sedna
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedna_%28astronomical_object%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedna_%28deity%29
http://www.falconastrology.com/sedna.htm
http://astrologyalive.com/TMA409Sedna.pdf

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted October 02, 2009 04:59 PM         

Thanks for the explanation.

Glaucus

posted October 02, 2009 05:27 PM         

With Sedna conjunct your Ascendant, the Sedna archetype is strong with you.
Consider it's myth and how it was named after the Inuit Sea/Underworld Goddess. It has a otherworldly Neptune-Pluto type of thing about it. Consider it's orbit, it's highly eccentric and it has the greatest average distance of any object in our solar system. Therefore, it's a nonconformist and a bit remote compared to every other object. It's highly otherworldly. So otherworldly that it makes Neptune look mundane. Sedna was given its name because it was most distant and coldest object in our solar system.

Sedna is a dwarf planet candidate. With it being larger than dwarf planet,Ceres, it's guaranteed to join the dwarf planet ranks that Ceres,Pluto,Eris,Makemake,and Haumea are already apart of.

please check out the Sedna links that I already listed.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted October 02, 2009 05:36 PM         

Yeah...I knew that it was in Taurus because Sedna moves so slow. I was born with Sedna in 2'06 Taurus retrograde,and I was born in 1971. You're younger than me and Sedna is currently in 21'48 Taurus retrograde right now. Therefore,I knew that you had Sedna in Taurus.

I was curious to see if you have Sedna conjunct the Ascendant.

You have Ascendant in Taurus, and that means that Taurus completely covers your 1st house in the Whole Sign House system. That means that Sedna is in 1st house in the whole sign house system because it's in Taurus. Therefore, Sedna might influence your appearance with it being in the 1st house in the whole sign house system.

whole sign house system is the house system that I use. It's the oldest one,and it is the most consistent one when it comes to latitudes. Placidus and koch house system don't work for latitudes over 66 degrees,leaving over 16 million people with no horoscopes. Equal house system can be used, but it's useless at the poles which are 90 degrees latitude. I know people aren't born there, but some people stay there for awhile,and some have lunar returns and solar returns there. Solar Returns and Lunar Returns for the poles would impossible to calculate with all the other house systems.

It's possible that Sedna conjuncts your Ascendant within 3 degrees in Right Ascension

Sedna and other transneptunians objects including Pluto can have considerable differences between Right Ascension and ecliptic longitude (the coordinate that we astrologers use)compared to the planets.

would it be ok to check out your Right Ascension chart? I would need your birthdata to do that.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted October 02, 2009 05:42 PM         

it was particularly bad when i was 13-17 years old.

since 17, my looks have started to catch upto my age.

looking at you're chart, i can't see much common ground, i actually created a topic a long time ago asking the same thing as what you're asking now,

if i remember right, people seemed to think it was an aries/cancer thing.

cancer mars/aries mars, aries asc/cancer asc.

i think people in this topic might be onto something about the moon thing, i have a tight trine from my moon onto my ascendant, obviously a trine isn't as much of an impact as a conjunction, so maybe that explains a little why you're young face is particularly significant compared to others and me perhaps.

i'v always been complimented as 'cute' too.. which i never really take as a compliment.