posted October 04, 2009 05:59 PM         

His chart doesn't seem rather Neptunian

He has a wide Moon sextile Neptune of 7'31 orb.
He has a Mars sextile Neptune of 3'12 orb.

if you look deeper into the chart,

if you consider the 8th harmonics like cosmobiologists and uranian astrologers do,

he has Mercury semisquare Neptune with 41 minutes of arc and Neptune semisquare Ascendant with 7 minutes of arc.

Robert Hand pointed out that semisquares under 1 degree can more significant than squares of 6 degree orb.

Ted Bundy's Mercury semisquare Neptune and Neptune semisquare Ascendant could be just as challenging as a Mercury square Neptune and Neptune square Ascendant.

Furthermore, his Mercury squares the Ascendant with 33 minutes of arc.

With Mercury square his Ascendant, and Neptune semisquaring both his Mercury and Ascendant. That means that they all aspect each other via 8th harmonic.
It also means that Neptune conjuncts Mercury/Ascendant midpoint with 24 minutes of arc.

That's a direct midpoint picture involving Neptune,personal planet,and an angle. That's a very significant midpoint picture.

That configuration can indicate the gift of being able to communicate in a deceptive way to others. A great configuration for being an actor,carrying on an illusion.

He has Mars sextile Neptune with 3'12 orb. He has Saturn sextile Neptune 1'17 orb.
He has Mars trine Saturn with 4'29 orb
He has Mars,Saturn,Neptune in a minor grand trine.
That also means that Neptune conjuncts the the Mars/Saturn midpoint which I said earlier too! Mars/Saturn midpoint is known as the death axis in Cosmobiology.

so he has Neptune = Mercury/Ascendant = Mars/Saturn

that indicate his ability to deceive others which led to his being able to kill them.

he also had Jupiter conjunct Moon/Neptune midpoint with 51 minutes of arc. That can indicate luck when it comes to deceiving women. good configuration for an actor.

he had 3 direct midpoint pictures involving Neptune and personal planets with 1 of them involving an angle.

He was highly Neptunian through the midpoint pictures.

This where Geometrical Astrology can be insightful.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted October 04, 2009 06:25 PM         

Transneptunians tends to orbit well off the ecliptic

Pluto has inclination of up to 17 degrees away from the ecliptic.

it's currently at 5'22 North Latitude

it can be in other constellations outside the ecliptic which are zodiac constellations.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted October 04, 2009 07:19 PM         

She actually looks quite ugly (both guys and girls agree on this point), but she's very easy, so that definitely makes her popular with the guys. She's also very bipolar, which will either intrigue you or make you want to punch her depending on what attracts you. I have never seen her show any cannibalistic urges. I do know that she lacks empathy and has absolutely no conscience.

Glaucus,

I am so sorry about your mom being shot. It just goes to show that she really loves you and a mother's love knows no limit.

StarrofVenusGirl,

We're no longer friends. She betrayed me and I exposed all of her lies to her family and friends, which really devastated her--not because she felt guilty, but because she could no longer fool them anymore.

posted October 04, 2009 09:56 PM         

yeah...mental illnesses like bipolar can really lead to personality issues that can be intolerable for others.

Is she taking medication for her bipolar?

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted October 05, 2009 03:03 AM         

When you are looking at that peoples childhood. The most of them lived in tragedy, maltreatment and often have parents which not are healthy. They often have parents who addict something. They not lived in normal relations. They don't know what a normal life is. How should they know what a normal life is. They don't learn it. The only way to live a life are to live thats sick life. For many of that sick psychopaths are that normal. If you learn about there bakground you can have some sympathi why they are as they are.

Your natal chart can develop two ways or more. Every aspect you have can use bad or god ways. I don't think axes and houses are importent in that way either. You always have a choice.

When you looking in a book with all psyckiatry sickness you can recognise it in you self. All of it. But a healthy people and the most of us have inside stop. The most of us people will never in our life develope this in that sick way.

But of course you can se that people in your work. You can have a special chef and so on with that caracteristic quality. They can be there but they can't hurt you if you seeing it.

In every chart you can se an anger aspect and a pleasure. The combo can always go many ways.

I have a t-square and are not a psychopat but I should sure develop it if i want.

moon square pluto(6)
moon square urans (2)
moon square merk (1)
moon square saturn(3)

I also have a sun/asc sextil my moon. Wow I have the charisma to conceal it and so on.

If everyone looking at there own chart everyone will in all probability seeing the aspect which will do you to an psychopat if you want.

posted October 05, 2009 05:59 AM         

anyway, thats a nice collection of issues, May intrigue me for a couple days..

seriously now, no i wouldn't ever particularly want to be with a woman with bipolar, iv lived with it all my 20 years with my mother, who's bipolar is particularly the aggressive type when she is ill (which she has relapsed many times over the years..) you know.. they call it hyper mania state.

i remember those eyes of you'res i think Astra,

posted October 05, 2009 08:42 AM         

- t-square with Mars/Pluto opposition square to Jupiter - Mars and Pluto, need I say more? XP

- Sun square Neptune - helps to lose my sense of reality or escapism;

- Neptune sextile Pluto, trine Mars and trine AC (grand trine) - helps hiding my evil hard aspects mentioned above with a sweet Neptunian flavor;

- BML conjunct Moon/Venus/Mercury - behind my niceness there can be evilness;

- Pisces DC - another thing to hide my evilness, with the mask of a sweet and sympathetic Pisces persona.

posted October 05, 2009 08:43 AM         

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lololl, definitely not throwing any compliments in there to give her a chance, are we?
anyway, thats a nice collection of issues, May intrigue me for a couple days..

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LOL. I'm only speaking my opinion and the opinion of many others. But hey, she's always up for one night stands. That's a good quality to have for someone you want to have a fling with. You just don't want to have any kind of long-term relationship with her.

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seriously now, no i wouldn't ever particularly want to be with a woman with bipolar, iv lived with it all my 20 years with my mother, who's bipolar is particularly the aggressive type when she is ill (which she has relapsed many times over the years..) you know.. they call it hyper mania state.

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I am so sorry you had to go through that. I could barely handle a few years of it. I can't imagine enduring 20 years of it. Your situation is made worse by the fact that she's your mom, so it's very hard to cut her out of your life.

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i remember those eyes of you'res i think Astra,

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posted October 05, 2009 08:54 AM         

if you want to join in,is was because of this that i started this thread...

i never thought it was so hard to see if someone is a psycho or not...this man lived with this woman for ten years.

she tried to stabb him...now he is without his daughter and he started studying,and came to the conclusion that his ew is a psycho.

now i ask:what is the best advice to give to him?Some people there start to doubt his own stability,and finish doing the same that his family did:to doubt him.so he is now alone.

everyone doubting his state,when in fact,i believe that the really unstable here is the ex.

What to do if you are all alone,trying to be with your daughter,and fearing that sth happens to you or to your daughter?

is it so hard to believe that probably she is a psycho?i mean,he knows her,for ten years!

im feeling really frustrated cause i tried to help.and now im also seen as a crazy person who offered help,and talked about astrology....

posted October 05, 2009 09:36 AM         

I'm sorry you got attacked on that forum when you were just trying to help. They could've just politely said that they don't believe in astrology and leave it at that. Some people just always have to be jerks.

When she tried to stab him, he should've called the police right then. Did the daughter witness the attempted stabbing? If so, the daughter could tell the police what she saw, but some kids aren't up to doing this because they'll feel they're betraying one of their parents. The only way he's going to get custody is if he provides solid proof (spy cam or hidden tape recorder) that his ex poses a grave danger to their child. The child could also report abuse to her school, which would help.

posted October 05, 2009 09:53 AM         

Yup.you re right.

but im already used to people react like that ..they always fear what they dont know,and so..i know that its their Egoīs talking

it is sad though..

posted October 05, 2009 10:11 AM         

yeh the bipolar thing is alright, fortunately my mum was protective and i was never in the firing line of her aggressive bipolar, but iv seen how ugly it gets when some one else is in the firing line. (it gets ******* ugly) and it put me off as a young teenager to be out with my mum, i easily felt humiliated being her son watching her act the way she would when she would go off on one.

no, its just You, you seem to be bringing it out of me, i guess its somewhere in the synastry/composite chart

or could just blame those eyes, weren't they cute and brown?

lol

btw, i agree with what some of the others say, i think aspects are responsible, but not guarantee's for the way the manifest, it depends how the energies are manifested, im sure my chart has potentials, i ain't psycho or sociopathic, but my main two feminine planets - moon/venus oppose each other and are heavily afflicted.

posted October 05, 2009 11:06 AM         

I agree with this. I personallyexperienced 2 people who I consider psychopathic - using, abusing, and deceiving. They both had common themes.. 2 grand trines in each of their chart. Pretty shocking to me. Also moon neptune opposition. BOTH, and they both had totally different upbringings, and didnt know each other.

posted October 05, 2009 01:03 PM         

im so sorry... but you are so into the right path now!look at you,wanting to heal,instead of hurting...shows that Human hearts are never doomed gp through just a one way road,isnt it?

your chart might have the potencial,but you are the one who choses in the end.

i also have a kiron very afflicted in my own chart-squares sun and venus,oposes jup and uranus,but trines my asc and Merc.

so i think that besided of the emocional hurtings i can have inside me..i can choose to heal them,going through the love and forgiveness path.

posted October 05, 2009 01:10 PM         

for example

Sun in 4 Scorpio
Moon in 4 Pisces
Jupiter in 4 Cancer

Jupiter oppose Sun/Moon midpoint in 4 Capricorn
Moon oppose Sun/Jupiter midpoint in 4 Virgo
Sun oppose Moon/Jupiter midpoint in 4 Taurus

"I have a t-square and are not a psychopat but I should sure develop it if i want.

moon square pluto(6)
moon square urans (2)
moon square merk (1)
moon square saturn(3)"

The Moon square Pluto with 6 degree orb doesn't seem very challenging, especially with an orb of over 3 degrees for a dwarf planet such as Pluto.

if you feel some intensity,I strongly wonder if you have hard aspects involving other transneptunians. Maybe there is a midpoint picture involving Moon/Pluto

for example:

I have Moon quincunx Pluto with 2'19 orb, but I think that's too wide for quincunx,especially dwarf planet Pluto.

but look at my midpoints, I have Moon sesquiquadrate Sun/Pluto midpoint with 5 minutes of arc.

I also have Moon square the transneptunian,Varuna with 10 minutes of arc. That's where the extreme challenging emotional intensity and the intensified evolutionary lessons with my mother and woman that have been difficult is coming from.

as for the potential to get away with stuff

well..I have Sun in Scorpio in 3rd trine Moon in Pisces in 7th with 2'10 orb (1'24 in Right Ascension which is said to be good for the masculine and feminine energies to be in harmony leading to the ability to have good relationships and be attractive to the opposite sex.

I have Moon in Pisces in 7th trine transneptunian Ixion in Scorpio in 3rd with 2'15 orb and Moon trine Quaoar with 49 minutes of arc. There is also Moon sextile retro Sedna in Taurus in 9th with 1'06 orb (39 minutes of arc in Right Ascension
Those aforementioned aspects could indicate evolutionary intensified lessons/experiences that are easy. The possibility of easy subtle manipulation,power of an emotional nature.

I have Sun conjunct Ixion with 5 minutes of arc and Quaoar with 2'58 orb(1'45 in Right Ascension). In Right Ascension, I have Sun oppose Sedna with 44 minutes of arc. In declinations, my Sun contraparallels Orcus with 1 minute of arc and Pluto with 46 minutes of arc. That's some of the hard aspects involving transneptunians that could fit with the psychopath stuff. It could also indicate evolutionary intensifed lessons involving my father. I never knew him because he had drug problems. My mom told me that had problems with paranoia,especially connected to jealousy. My stepfather was the other father figure that I knew,and he was abusive to both my mother and me. My mother was also abusive to me. She was actually more abusive to me than my stepfather was to me. A lot of it had to do with her own mental health issues that included alcoholism and drug addiction. My stepfather's abusiveness came out of being very strict,controlling with power issues.
Transneptunian,Haumea conjunct my Ascendant with 2'10 orb square my Midheaven/Imum Coeli with 2 minutes of arc could also indicate that.

so yeah, I had a domestic environment that is common with psychopaths,serial killers, but I never went down the route nor will I ever. My purpose on this planet is to help and serve others in some way. I found my life purpose as a neuro-diversity,being a neuro-divergent myself born to neuro-divergent parents. Maybe being an astrologer is another life purpose of mine.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted October 05, 2009 01:44 PM         

would you look at any asteroid,in this regard?

if so,what might be the ones that could indicate this strong pathology in a personīs chart?

posted October 05, 2009 01:47 PM         

"He had Sun conjunct Makemake with 1'05 (it heavily modifies that Taurus Sun of his)."

posted October 05, 2009 02:16 PM         

would you look at any asteroid,in this regard?

if so,what might be the ones that could indicate this strong pathology in a personīs chart?

of course it must be a very tight orb."

I honestly don't know. I don't think asteroids factor much because of their orbits within the inner solar system.

I think that the transneptunians fit with the extremes of psychiatric disorders

The energies are so metaphysical that they could indicate problems on the physical plane.

I use up to 3 degree orb for the big transneptunians including Pluto.
The reason why I use the same orb for Pluto is because Pluto is part of the transneptunian region. Pluto has thousands of neighbors just like Ceres is part of the asteroid region and has thousands of neighbors. I believe in adjusting to astronomical discoveries. With other big kuiper belt objects out there, it's possible that these can be strong influences that could explain wide orbed Pluto aspect effects in people's charts. It's just that people didn't know about these objects before. Many objects orbit beyond Pluto, Pluto is no longer the most outer object in our solar system. Sedna has the greatest distance of all,and so that is the most outer object. It has slowest orbit of all. So yeah,Sedna is most metaphysically oriented object in our solar system.

the big ones to check besides Pluto
Eris,Makemake,Haumea - they are classed as dwarf planets along with Pluto

Sedna,Orcus,Quaoar,Varuna,and Ixion - they are dwarf planet candidates

I would give the big transneptunians 3 degree orb for all the major aspects except for sextile which I give 2 degree orb. I would give 1 degree for all the minor aspects.

If I were to look at small transneptunian aspects. I'd stick to 1 degree orb for all the major aspects except for the sextile which I give about 45 minutes of arc. I give around 20 minutes of arc for the minor aspects.

some notable smaller ones are Rhadamanthus,Ceto,Typhon,Altjira,Borasisi,Logos,Deucalion,

Huya,Chaos are borderline. I give an orb of 2 degree orb for the major aspects. 1 degree for the sextile. 45 minutes of arc for the minor aspects.

I have some aspects to these too

Hard aspects which could indicate evolutionary intensified experiences hard to deal with which can include trauma,abuse

Rhadamanthus in 17'33 Leo R in 12th
Ceto in 18'58 Taurus R in 9th
1st/10th house ruler Mercury in 18'21 Scorpio in 3rd
(T-Square)

Huya in 24'25 Leo in 12th
oppose 3rd/8th house ruler Mars in 25'54 Aquarius in 6th

easy aspects that can indicate intensifed evolutionary lessons,experiences that are easy to handle:

Borasisi in 13'27 Capricorn in 5th
trine/sextile Asc/Desc in 13'27 Virgo/Pisces

Deucalion in in 21'45 Virgo in 1st
sextile 2nd/9th house ruler Venus in 21'47 Scorpio in 3rd

keywords for transneptunians here http://www.philipsedgwick.com/

click the
Eris, Sedna, Makemake, Haumea, Dwarf Planets, Centaurs & More
on the left column

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted October 05, 2009 02:44 PM         

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is she really impossible to compliment? the only thing is she does one night stands? oh dear, was there a competitive edge to you're relationship with her? hmm..

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She doesn't do only one night stands, but she's always willing to whether or not she has a boyfriend.
I suppose I can say she's a good actress. That does take talent. She appeared to be a really nice person at first, which is why we became friends and soon after, we became roommates. I wasn't actually competitive with her, though she would always try to compare her accomplishments to mine. We dated different types of guys, so there was no clash there. She cheated on her boyfriend quite a bit and he cheated on her as well. The only areas where we clashed were when one of her "one night stands" would steal some of my belongings. I would then have to track down each one night stand to get back the stolen items. It really was a pain in the a**

The second area where we clashed was when she would try to boss me around. I do not like being controlled AT ALL. I would never do what she wanted when she became overbearingly bossy, which caused us to get into a number of arguments. Being a Capricorn moon, I would stay eerily calm and not even raise my voice while she was throwing a temper tantrum. My calm demeanor made her even more angry. Lol. She would immediately stop, however, when she saw the warning look in my eyes.

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yeh the bipolar thing is alright, fortunately my mum was protective and i was never in the firing line of her aggressive bipolar, but iv seen how ugly it gets when some one else is in the firing line. (it gets ******* ugly) and it put me off as a young teenager to be out with my mum, i easily felt humiliated being her son watching her act the way she would when she would go off on one.

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That's good that you weren't one of her targets. At least she loved and protected you. Actually, she would be the perfect mom to have to deal with bullies. If you were ever to get picked on in school, you could simply have your mom go after the bully.

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no, its just You, you seem to be bringing it out of me, i guess its somewhere in the synastry/composite chart
or could just blame those eyes, weren't they cute and brown?
lol

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LOL. My eyes are hazel. They can appear to be varying shades of green or brown depending on the light. Yeah, I agree that certain aspects do not automatically mean that someone will become a psychopath. I have a number of aspects that serial killers tend to have and yet I have never been tempted to kill anyone. It all depends on how you use the energy in your chart.

scrappydog,

I am really sorry about all of the horrible things you went through as a child, but it just goes to show that free will overpowers aspects.

Diandra,