posted October 07, 2009 09:56 PM         

I don't have an astrological response to this post. I don't think that there is any necessary indicators for it. It could be a combination of astrological aspects,placements that indicate a certain thing. Of course, free is the ultimate factor.

I am very sorry about what you've been going through.

Please go get some professional help.

We would all like you to get well.

HUGS

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted October 07, 2009 09:58 PM         

i think pluto and the house and aspects to planets. will tell you what could be causing your cutting hobby.

but scrappydog it does release pain i find that it does to cause i feel so much better right now after i did it.

posted October 07, 2009 10:12 PM         

cutlery,uses of cutlery: Mars

cuts: Mars,Aries (Sagittarius)

cutting instruments and machinery (Mars)

mutilations: Mars

I guess Pluto is being mentioned because of the deep psychological issues connecting to it.

You do have an exact Sun conjunct Pluto.

You also have that conjunction of Pluto's fellow transneptunians, Quaoar-Ixion in Scorpio in opposition to your Ascendant in Taurus.

all that evolutionary intensified energy could indicate possible trauma,abuse,and/or deep psychological complexes.

If it's handled right,there can be profound spiritual growth. You have that ability, but you have to deal with the issues from your past.

Your Mars is in Sagittarius in the 8th house,and so that could connect cutting with psychological issues

Your Chiron in Taurus in 1st does indicate a person that is wounded personally in security-wise,self-worth wise. It indicates capacity to get yourself healed too. Your Mercury in Scorpio in 7th oppose Chiron in Taurus in 1st with 16 minutes of arc seems like the possible of mental health issues that can require healing. It definitely an aspect that might indicate the need for counseling. The Nodes square your Mercury-Chiron opposition closely too, and so its like you have to overcome mental,psychological wounds that could be interfering with your karmic,destiny path.

Dwarf planet of nurturing,Ceres is in Cancer in 3rd square your Sun-Pluto with 27 minutes of arc and 37 minutes of arc respectively. This could indicate that deep psychological issues could inferfere with you taking care of yourself. The Ceres-Proserpina-Pluto theme seems very strong. Proserpina was Ceres' daughter,Persephone was abducted and raped by Pluto. The maiden becoming a woman and the empty nest syndrome is the theme. There is a possibility of eating disorders with this aspect too.

Raymond

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posted October 07, 2009 10:36 PM         

- Asc. 8deg. cj Saturn 9deg/Mercury 9deg and Jupiter 12deg.
- Pluto cj. Venus & Jupiter
- Pluto sq. Moon
- inflicted Cappy moon.

Least to say, it makes me a manic depressive. I think the fact I cant stop thinking contributes to depression. I've had major depression through out my life...although, I've stayed away from meds. I think it also runs in my genes as my mom is on meds for depression. Irony is my dad's a shrink and he doesnt take my depression seriously.

When I'm feeling really low, instead of cutting myself...I would go for long runs in the middle of the night. Your body's in pain all over & so physically tired, your focus shifts from the other pain. Try it~

posted October 07, 2009 11:10 PM         

transiting Varuna (transneptunian dwarf planet candidate) is in 21'52 Cancer conjuncting your Ceres in 22'21 Cancer in 3rd and squaring your Sun in 21'44 Libra and Pluto in 22'49 Libra in 6th

you're going through an intensified evolutionary time right now, and it involves the Ceres square Sun-Pluto issues that I talked about. with the 3rd and 6th house involved, it can be mental health issues.

With this transit, you have to avoid making judgments based on your past. Varuna is an object that is associated with justice,judgment. One of the negatives of Varuna is being too judgmental,mistaking revenge for justice,and the attitude of "judge,jury,executioner".

Varuna is transneptunian cubewano aka classical kuiper belt object. It's named after the Vedic God of the Oceans who was once the Supreme God. He is said to assist drowning souls. He is depicted holding a noose, emphasizing judgment.

your being challenged to let go of past resentments so that you can develop better judgment in life and achieve higher consciousness which Varuna as transneptunian calls for.

Transiting Orcus in 1'30 Virgo is in your 5th house squaring your Mars in 2'41 Sagittarius in 8th. This seems like evolutionary intensified lessons involving romance,self expression and the conflicts with men and your sex-life. This could fit with confronting past abuse that you suffered from men. There is also a possibility that you could get involved with men that have an intense dark side. You have to avoid those really edgy,badboy types. The transit also indicates the need to deal with any issues that you have with men in general, especially the father.

Orcus is a plutino like Pluto,and so it's similar astronomically and so it should be similar astrologically. Orcus was named after the Etruscan God of the Underworld. He was said to have deal with matters with oaths and promises. With your Orcus transit, there can be issues with dealing with oaths and promises in your love affairs with men. Maybe there is a possibility that there could be a confrontation where oaths,promises might be broken which might leave you devasted. Maybe you will be forced to make oaths,promises connected in your dealings with romance,sexlife with men.

Transiting Neptune in Aquarius is in your 10th squaring your Uranus in Scorpio in 7th with 1 minute of arc applying. With a transit exact like that, it's definitely a major theme for you. It has to do with possible confusion,deception that is causing instability in your relationships with others. On the positive, there is the potential for spiritual awakening,changes but it comes with effort. I believe that whatever relationship that you might be in, you might be forced to detach yourself from it. Transiting retrograde Uranus in Pisces in 7th trine your Uranus in Scorpio in 7th with 2 minutes of arc separating. So just recently had that transit exact. It indicates a time that you can be independent. You can have pleasant surprises involving friendships and relationships. I think that this is more about your independence from relationships with your friends helping you. You may find that some of our friends are people that you don't expect for Uranus is the planet of the unexpected. It's a time that you can make changes in how you approach friendships and relationships.

Transiting retrograde Jupiter in Aquarius is in your 10th house squaring the opposition of your Mercury in Scorpio in 7th and Chiron in Taurus in 1st, and this is the need to make good judgments in your life about your mental well being. It's a time to avoid any prejudices in the past. 10th involves career,social status. This could indicate a time that you re-assess career choices. It could also mean reflecting possible past issues that have with your father.

Transiting Mercury-Saturn is conjuncting your Jupiter in 5th,and this could indicate that you need to make practical judgments when it comes to romance. I also think it is a reality check transit too.

Overall I think that there are problems with not loving,valuing,and taking care of yourself, and so this keeps you from having relationships with men. You abuse yourself,and so you end up with men that can abuse you. If you treat yourself well like you deserve to be treated, then you will attract men that will treat you well.

I believe that the transits indicate that you need to take action and resolve your issues so that you can be whole,healthy person.

In your secondary progressions

Secondary progressed Sun in Scorpio in 7th house trine your Ceres in Cancer in 3rd house with 33 minutes of arc applying,and this highlights in relationships that involves nurturing. It seems like a time that you learn to take care of yourself,and that will lead you into positive relationships.

Secondary progressed Venus in Libra in 6th sextile/trine your Lunar Nodes in Leo in 4th/Aquarius in 10th is exact. O minutes of arc. This indicates the possibility of love,relationships coming into your life that will help you with your destiny,path,and lessons in life. There can be harmonious,beneficial connections with people. The progressed Venus in 6th also emphasis on health,daily routine.

I wish you all best. Please get some help.

HUGS

Raymond

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posted October 07, 2009 11:17 PM         

Sometimes behaviors that seem destructive are actually our body's/our unconscious's way of reaching out to us to help us get the help that we need. For people who have had their physical, sexual, or psychic boundaries violated, it can be a way to try to regain a sense of control. Not every abuse victim tries this, but all abuse victims struggle with similar recovery issues.

I have had several friends who did this (not only girls, males also)--a couple of them have been very much helped by the following:
-reading up on the topic to understand what's happening
-seeing a trusted therapist who specializes in recovery from sexual abuse
-seeing a trusted bodywork professional regularly(my friend swears by Reiki), who can help you get in touch with your body and treat it with love
-a regular yoga practice
-one friend channels that energy into fitness and is a hard-core triathlete!

Astrologically, I have exact birth info for three of them, and I agree about Pluto. One has a tight Pluto-Sun conjunction. Another has Pluto conjunct her ASC, opposite her Moon-DSC. The third has Pluto conjunct his DC, square his Saturn...so I do think there may be something to the Pluto thing, at least in these cases.

EDITED: I like Cheshire Kat's advice! Treat yourself to something you love. I am sending you lots of healing thoughts.

posted October 08, 2009 06:55 AM         

Channel that energy into athletics and weight training.

The astrology will only explain the transits of sexual abuse, the self mutilation is a psychological condition where you need release of the unnecessary guilt of abuse.

By having the courage to post that you have this problem, you have actually started the process of healing.

I can give you an NLP Visualization if you like, it can put an end to the problem in 10 minutes if you do it sincerely.

My email: tsaied@rediffmail.com

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posted October 08, 2009 11:55 AM         

transiting Varuna is conjuncting your Ceres and squaring your Sun-Pluto.

In another thread,I pointed out that transiting Varuna is conjuncting Roman Polanski's Moon-Pluto conjunction.

Therefore, it seems that you're

My Roman Polanski post seemed to effect you a bit in regards to the matters of sexual abuse.

You and he had shared experience transit which is when a synastry aspect is being transited.

any ways....here is stuff on Varuna

actually Varuna is a transplutonian because it's a classical kuiper belt object aka cubewano (based on 1992 QB1,the second transneptunian discovered after Pluto). All cubewanos have no orbital resonance with Neptune. They all orbit beyond the plutinos (Pluto is a plutino) which are objects that have 3:2 orbital resonance with Neptune. That means that every 3 times Neptune orbits the Sun,Pluto orbits twice.

20000 Varuna is a Kuiper Belt asteroid(orbiting beyond the orbit of Neptune), with a period of 284 years, 315 days. It was discovered at 10 Cancer 29 on 28 November 2000 at 9:51 a.m. MST at Kitt Peak Observatory near Sells, AZ by Robert S. McMillan, who named it for the Hindu god of the waters, who preceded the storm-god Indra as king of the gods. Once, Varuna ruled the sky as well, but after a great war between the Vedic gods and demons, the gods decided that each should be assigned a clearly defined sphere of influence to avoid future conflicts. Varuna got the waters of the earth to rule and Indra got the sky. Varuna sits with his wife Varuni on a throne of diamonds and the deities of the rivers, lakes, and springs of the world form his court. Varuna is the custodian of the various demons of the ocean. He is also associated with clouds and rain, and is credited with sustaining life by virtue of giving rain and crops. Varuna is often shown as a fair-skinned man who rides either a crocodile, or a monstrous fish named Makara which has an antelope's head and legs, or a chariot drawn by seven swans; he holds a serpent, a noose, a conch shell and a vessel of gems in each of his four hands. The noose is in one of his right hands. He is sometimes described as having a thousand eyes with which he oversees the whole world, or as encompassing the entire world. Varuna means "he who covers" in Sanskrit.

Varuna, Vedic god of the waters.

Keywords for asteroid Varuna, to me, include judgment, judgmentalism, inquisition, moralizing, justice, hugeness, grandness, grandiosity, bombast, pompousness, egotism, immortality, global, unforgettable, apocalyptic visions.

Aaron Spelling, prolific and highly influential TV producer who grew up in a house on Dallas' south side which was and is little more than a shack, had one of the largest houses in California and whose autobiography is titled A Prime-Time Life, often deals with sometimes unpleasant issues or tries to teach lessons in an entertaining way through his shows. He has Varuna conjunct Venus(art, beauty, money), the South Node(past experiences), and Heracles(striving to overcome); semisextile Black Moon(wildness, unpredictability); nonile the Sun(to shine); sextile Pallas(mental perception and creativity) and Don Quixote(unsuccessful attempts); quintile Mars(taking action, violence); square Juno(marriage), Pholus(ceremony or the lack of it, following one's bliss), and the Vertex(significant or idealized relationships); biquintile Neptune(motion pictures); quincunx the Part of Fortune(development); and contraparallel the Moon(the public).

Oprah Winfrey, who tries to use her show for the betterment of society, has Varuna semisquare Vesta; nonile Jupiter; squile Don Quixote; square the Sun, Venus, Pholus and Damocles(to be provocative, to challenge); biseptile Chiron; tredecile Pluto(to transform, to be powerful); trine Pallas, Chariklo(glamor) and the East Point(one's public image); biquintile the Moon(the public, women); opposite Saturn and Lilith(the marginalized, things hard to accept).

Anita Bryant, who's much more of a narrow, judgmental type, has Varuna conjunct Jupiter(religion), the South Node, and Hylonome(popular sentiment); semisextile Mercury(the media, thoughts); undecimal Venus(singing) and Uranus(going against the grain); square Chiron, Pholus(need to follow protocol) and Pandora(being surprised, making an impact); trine the East Point; quincunx Chariklo; and opposite North Node(applying past experiences to real life).

Designer Giorgio Armani has Varuna conjunct Hylonome and Lilith("not the right kind"), sextile Chiron, sextile/trine the North and South Nodes, square the Moon, the Vertex, and Pholus; trine Chariklo and the Part of Fortune, quincunx Neptune, opposite Jupiter and Vesta, and contraparallel Uranus.

Prince Andrew, who was born into one of the most prominent of the world's remaining royal families, Britain's House of Windsor, served as a military officer and is married to a woman who used to head a London public-relations firm, has Varuna sextile Mercury and Don Quixote; square Uranus, Damocles, Heracles and Lilith; tredecile Mars(the military); trine Saturn(conservatism, government, the Establishment) and Pallas; sesquiquadrate Jupiter(prosperity); and biquintile Juno. http://markandrewholmes.com/varuna.html

Varuna:Varuna was the old Hindu God of the Waters and once ruled as king of all the gods. He is guardian of the oceanic demons and generates the clouds and rain, therefore is a sustainer of life. Varuna dispenses ultimate justice and keeps the cosmic order. As placed in a natal horoscope chart his energy can be misused as dogmatism even as applied to science; also extreme conservatism in religeous movements and messianic leaders who dispense divine Rules and Regs. He is a patron of fundamentalism and of decrees that must be obeyed because they "come from God". Someone with a strong Varuna can have a charismatic aura of unquestionable authority or righteousness. George W. Bush and Dick Cheney serve well as western symbols for Varuna's brand of power. http://www.mysticmarguerite.com/WebDocs/Texts/Asteroids.html

notes on Varuna http://www.expreso.co.cr/centaurs/posts/notes/varuna.html

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posted October 08, 2009 11:56 AM         

it's from

Philip Sedgwick's
THE SOUL OF THE SKY

Orbital Period: 284.65 y
Daily Rotation: 6.34 d
Distance at Perihelion (AU): 40.979 Perihelion: 12'30 Aries
Distance at Aphelion (AU): 45.565
North Node: 7'17 Cancer
Size (km): 900 +/- 140
Date of Discovery: 11/19/2000
Semi-Major Axis: 43.272 AU Eccentricity: 0.053
Inclination: 17.1º

Varuna came to the attention of astronomers on November 28, 2000, initially known as Kuiper Belt Object (KBO) 2000WR106. Once its
orbital parameters were refined, it was given the Minor Planet Number 20000. This numbering process occurred fairly quickly given the object’s low eccentricity. Then, on March 6, 2000, the minor planet received its name - one of the first Vedic namesakes applied!

Varuna means “he who covers,” most likely an association with his once held rulership of the heavens. At one point Varuna maintained a top deity ranking. Not only did he direct the heavens, he managed the waters, regulated day and night, oversaw the flight of birds, took care of the motions of the Sun and Moon and served as honored guest at all ceremonies. A master healer, he applied healing, cosmic waters, much akin to Aquarius, for the good of people. This flow also symbolized the natural internal movement of kundalini energy.
Varuna was motivated to relieve karma, absolve the pain of wrongdoing, and guide people on their way. This would be done with proper choices, forthright activity and clear vision.
He could remove sin, pain, debt and injury, if only one offered proper propitiation.
So, what went wrong? Given than Varuna was a god of illusion (maya) he was inclined to the use of soma. This hallucinogen perhaps granted visions and insights, but it
angered other deity. After a time, he was reduced in authority to keeper of the waters, his profound responsibilities being largely replaced by Shiva and Vishnu. Much of his subsequent work went to assist drowning souls.

Varuna, being a slower moving body, as will be the case with all the Trans-Neptunian bodies,operates as a generational influence. Should an individual hold personal natal contacts (critical angles, Sun, Moon, Mercury through Mars) in precise relations with Varuna, then a specialized
soul mission evolves within Varuna’s themes.
One might suspect that working with the planetary waters or heavenly waters (the atmosphere) would become natural concerns. A consciousness of fighting pollution and the will to take on adversaries who disrespect water, sky and Earth could be a huge life theme. Personal contacts with Varuna suggest an additional urge to work to spread consciousness, a sense of collective
cooperation (and an understanding of how all thoughts and actions affect every other thought and actions).

Given that many people currently complain about drowning in the emotional tides prevailing upon the planet, Varuna takes charge in the nick of time. On the most personal level, his attentions refer to the node and perihelion point. This comes from the blending of Cancer (North node) and Aries (perihelion). Such a combination reflects the urge for self-nurturing at the most fundamental level. One must make personal care the utmost priority. Feeding the self on all levels of real world reality (food, drink, feeling, love) supports the spirit in self-realization to the extent that it may assert itself into the flow of the cosmic waters. Participation on the planet becomes an important task, but follows proper personal sustenance.

This reminds me of a conversation I heard in a bathroom in San Francisco years ago. One man said to another, “First you work on yourself, then you work on the world. When you get tired,you pull back and take care of yourself again. Then, you have more to give back to the planet again.” Truer words were probably never spoken. There’s nothing more frustrated than a healer with no more gas to give.

Transits to natal Varuna would imply an awareness of what must be done on the planet. Whether a person simply e-mails suggestions to powers that be or actually gets involved depends upon the aspects involving the natal planets to Varuna.
Transits from Varuna will last a good while (even longer than Pluto). Some assessment as to the quality of life one lives naturally would appear. Are you doing things in a good, strong,purposeful manner? Or should you start conjuring images in your mind as to what might happen to your soul if there is to be a judgment day?

Regardless, of your conclusion, Varuna encourages you to participate within the needs of your spirit, your planet and your sky, while you walk upon the planet.
Given his emphasis on all things working as they should, the timing could not better. Regardless of the astronomical/astrological arguments for Varuna’s application, he renders hope, method and healing in a most difficult global state. He seeks to inspire those who listen. We already have our headsets on our heads.

For what it’s worth, in the “no conclusion yet to make” category, during the terrorists attacks of September 11, 2001, Varuna stood in virtual conjunction with the Sun in the horoscope of the United States

Positive - sovereign, competent, regulating without force, mastery of all tasks accepted

Negative - incompetent and blaming, lamentation of life’s losses, holds resentment

Mundane - appointments or elected positions, delegation of authority, promotions, demotions,court martial, public humiliation

Ceremonial - ceremonies to confirm positions, spiritual coronations, “induced” journeys as in shamanically led vision quests

Raymond

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posted October 08, 2009 12:07 PM         

so with that in mind

Varuna in 15'24 Gemini R in 2nd
square Venus in 12'52 Virgo in 5th
sextile Eris in 14'34 Aries in 12th
sextile/trine Lunar Nodes in 17'40 Leo in 4th/17'40 Aquarius in 10th
sesquiquadrate/semisquare Midheaven/Imum Coeli axis - '43

in declinations:

Varuna is at 15'46 North
parallel/contraparallel Ascendant/Descendant in 15'50 North/South

your progressed Ascendant/Descendant axis is in 15'23 Gemini/Sagittarius
conjunct/oppose your natal Varuna in 15'24 Gemini R in 1st.

that's only a 1 minute applying conjunction/opposition!

so yeah.....Varuna's energy is strong in your life,and it has been progressing more in the past year.

it's a definitely a time of intensified evolutionary lessons.

Raymond

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posted October 08, 2009 12:16 PM         

Do you think that there is a possibility that you could have a borderline personality disorder. Its symptoms seem to overlap a bit with bipolar like avoidant personality disorder's symptoms overlap with social anxiety disorder.

Here is stuff on Bipolar Disorder from Marcia Starck's MEDICAL ASTROLOGY Healing For The 21st Century

She wrote about causes for bipolar symptoms and non-drug alternative remedies for them.

the following is from her book:

Researchers have discovered that food allergies, as well as untreated endocrine problems, may cause severe mood disorders.

In the past, bipolar disorder has been treated through various medications including lithium and antidepressants. Now many doctors agree that the pharmaceuticals available to patient are not always satisfactory. Many patients find that there are serious side effects to the medications; they have to choose between those side effects and learning to manage severe mood swings. Many bipolar women who want to have children, face the choice of undergoing extreme mood swings during pregnancy or risking birth defects in their children, since all of the medications are suspected of being harmful to developing fetuses.

Alternative methods to managing bipolar disorder tend to work in several ways. Some therapies are similar to pharmaceuticals, but with fewer side effects. For example, the herb St. John's Wort can function as an antidepressant. Some alternative methods look to other explanations for what psychiatrists labeled as manic depression, for example, severe food allergies. Certain treatments attempt to improve the overall health so that this will allow the body to effectively fight off mood problems. When all the organs in the body are properly functioning, and the liver and the colon are cleansed, it is more difficult to have reactions from food and other substances that cause mood swings. Most manic depressive patients tend to have problems with candida in their intestinal tract and need to do some cleansing and work with diet.

Excessive stress often depletes zinc and B-6 in the body so that the person becomes "pyroluric" and has excessive mood swings. (Urinary excretion of pyrroles was first connected with psychosis in 1958, when various doctors doing research noted a new substance in the urine of patients undergoing LSD model psychosis. This same substance was also found in the urine of many psychiatric patients who had never taken LSD or other drugs. Since the extracted urine made a lavender color when treated with certain reagents, it was referred to as the "mauve factor." Later, a Canadian physician found that the mauve factor was the chemical, kryptopyrrole. Because kryptopyrrole produces severe deficiencies of B-6 and zinc, those patients with the "mauve factor" were treated with both B-6 and zinc and responded very well. The term "pyroluria" was then coined.)

Women who are premenstrual often become very tense as well as depressed. Before menstruation, blood copper is highest and blood zinc lowest. Copper is a stimulant to the brain, while zinc has an anti-anxiety effect. With adequate zinc and B-6, pre-menstrual tension and depression can be alleviated.

TREATMENTS FOR BIPOLAR DISORDER

1. Obtaining the correct homeopathic constitutional remedy can be very important, as the homeopathic constitutional may replace medications. With the constitutional,natural lithium may not be needed.

2. Cleansing the liver is very important, since the liver detoxifies all chemical substances, as well as anything that may be causing an allergic reaction. In addition, colon cleansing helps the liver and the whole digestive system.

3. Eating a diet that is high in dark leafy green vegetables is important. They have a high nutritional content and also help to cleanse the liver. It is necessary to avoid sugar,dairy products,and wheat, as well as many acidic foods such as fruits,since they contribute to candida, which is very prevalent among those who are bipolar.

4. Utilizing biofeedback and other stress related therapies to access a more meditative state works well.

5. Cranial sacral work can help to balance the nervous system.

6. Doing yoga exercises,tai chi, chi gung, and other practices that work with slowing down the breathing the "chi" to the whole body, can be very helpful.

7. It is a good idea to test for pyroluria, which pulls out both the B-6 and zinc from the body. Most doctors are unaware of this test, but it can be ordered from Norsom Medical Laboratories, 7243-West Wilson Avenue, Harwood Heights, IL. 60656.

SUPPLEMENT RECOMMENDATIONS FOR BIPOLAR DISORDER

L-Taurine is an amino acid that has anti-convulsant properties and is helpful for both epileptics and those suffering from manic depressive tendencies.

GABA may be classified as an amino acid, but it actually serves as a neurotransmitter. (There are more GABA sites in the brain that for any other neurotransmitters such as dopamine or serotonin.) It works as an inhibitory transmitter, keeping the brain and body from going into "overdrive". Those with anxiety or manic depression should begin with a low dose, 250 mg. at bedtime or when the anxiety occurs.

B-Complex helps to overcome symptoms of anxiety, depression, irritability, and fatigue.

B-6 should be used in addition to the B complex, especially if one is pyroluric and lacks it.

Zinc--If a diagnosis of pyroluria is made through lab tests, then high doses of zinc should be taken several times a day.

Calcium and Magnesium--Calcium is a difficult mineral to assimilate and needs to be taken with magnesium. Calcium hydroxapatite is one of the best forms. Usually a good supplement has a ratio of twice the amount of calcium to magnesium. However, with manic depressive patients, there is the need for additional magnesium. One way to obtain this is through liquid chlorophyll, which is the magnesium ion, and also through various forms of magnesium in capsule. Calcium supplements should not be taken with meals, but it can be taken several times throughout the day.

Manganese is a very important mineral for the nervous system. If it is lacking,fatigue,irritability,and ear noises,such as ringing may be present.

L-Tyrosine is an amino acid that is a precursor to the neurotransmitters norepinephrine and dopamine, which are deficient in many manic depressives during their depressive cycles. L-tyrosine is also recommended when any thyroid conditions are present.

L-Phenylanine and DL-Phenylalanine is precursor to tyrosine and exhibits many of the same effects. It helps the body to produce a substance called "phenylethylamine" which is deficient in many manic depressives. (Phenylethylamine is present in both chocolate and marijuana, and is created by the body in greater amounts when one is"in love". The L form seems to work better for manic and depressive states, while the D and DL forms work better for depression.

Methione is an amino acid that is helpful for some individuals suffering from depression.

L-Tryptophan (and 5-Hydroxy-Tryptophan) is an amino acid that is a precursor to the neurotransmitter serotonin (the one that is affected by drugs such as Prozac and Zoloft). In 1990, L-Tryptophan was pulled from the market in the US,as it was deemed responsible for a number of deaths. Although the deaths were attributed to a contamination of the product made by one particular manufacturer, L-Tryptophan is currently available only be prescription in the US. However, 5-hydroxy-tryptophan is metabolite of tryptophan, which is available over the counter, and may work better for people who suffer from depression, irritability,and other symptoms.

Gluthathione and L-cysteine is an antioxidant which helps to detoxify chemicals into less toxic forms. It is often obtained from L-cysteine or N-acetyl cysteine. Cysteine binds with heavy metals aiding the body's elimination of them.

HERBAL RECOMMENDATIONS
Vervain and Scullcap help to tone the nervous system. They can be used in a formula with wood betony as well.

Hops,Passion flower, Camomile,St. John's wort, and Valerian are herbs that relax the nervous system. Often they are used in combination.

I believe that physical health problems,vitamin/mineral deficiencies should be considered before diagnosing somebody as having bipolar disorder and treating it with medication.

but yeah....I believe that the source of the symptoms should be treated and not the symptoms which I feel is just covering up.

Raymond

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posted October 08, 2009 12:18 PM         

It's common knowledge that bipolar and ADHD tend to be comorbid and overlap in symptoms

I was misdiagnosed Bipolar,and I have ADHD

It's ADHD that is considered a psychiatric disorder that needs to be medicated. However, discoveries of the novelty seeking-gene DRD4 7R gene and how it's found to be an advantageous gene dated back between 10,000 to 40,000 years ago that helped humans thrive and survive in huntering-gathering societies contradicts ADHD being a disorder that needs to be medicated. They have a different way of learning that is a mismatch for mainstream teaching environment. They are much better off in schools that have multisensory teaching methods and not just auditory sequential teaching methods. I already posted things and made my points about that.

There are many ways to address ADHD, and that includes things like better nutrition(making sure getting enough vitamins/minderals,cutting down on sugar/junkfoods),dealing with food sensitivities/allergies,the use of cod liver/fish oil for Omega 3 fatty acid intake,the use of flaxseed oil for Omega 3 fatty acid intake, biofeedback/neurofeedback therapy,meditation,behavior modification. Their ADHD can be channeled into certain activities like artistic/creative outlets and physical outlets such as sports,working out. Herbs like Ginkgo Biloba,Chamomile.

I have a book called MEDICAL ASTROLOGY Healing for the 21st Century
Marcia Stark listed treatments for ADHD

1. Avoid any chemical additives in foods,pesticide sprayed vegetables and fruits,sugar and sweeteners. Avoid hot spicy foods that tend to aggravate liver heat.
2. Avoid fluorescent lighting and household chemicals used for cleaning.
3. Eat a balanced diet with emphasis on whole grains for B complex vitamins, and dark green vegetables for their natural chlorophyll,which is the magnesium ion.
4. Use chelation therapy to get rid of heavy metals such as mercury,cadmium,lead,and aluminum
5. Ozone treatments are very helpful for clearing the liver and getting rid of toxic material.
6. Supplementation with important minerals and nutritional factors is very important. In research with ADD Children, deficiencies in the essential fatty acids and in zinc were common.
7. accupuncture and magnet therapy are helpful. Certain acupuncture points work to calm the spirit,as do magnets applied to the inside of the elbow and the inside of the wrists.
8. Finding the homeopathic constitutional remedy is very important.
9. Color therapy has worked well to relax the nervous system. Sound therapy has worked very well to balance the spirit and supply tones that may be missing from the individual's range.

SUPPLEMENT RECOMMENDATIONS FOR ADHD

GLA is one of the EFA's (essential fatty acids) which is found in evening primrose oil,borage oil and black currant seed oil.

EPA and DHA are the Omega 3 long chain fatty acids that are found in fish oils. They are particularly helpful for those with allergies and chemical sensitivities.

Zinc helps the body in cases of chemical detoxification. It is very important for the immune system and regulates the function of the white blood cells.

Magnesium a key mineral for the nervous system and helps in the assimilation of calcium as well. It can be supplemented through liquid chlorophyll, as well as through capsules.

Manganese helps the nervous system and also helps in blood sugar disorders.

B Complex Vitamins are important for stress and for the normal functioning of the nervous system. Deficiencies can contribute to depression,insomnia,and irritability.

Bioflavanoids with Quercitin help the immune system and are important in protecting from allergic substances and chemical sensitivities. They also are necessary in circulation and and in manufacturing vitamin C in the body.

Vitamin E is a strong antioxidant which helps to prevent the breakdown of nutrients.

Glutathione and L-cysteine----Glutathione is in intoxidant;it helps protect against environment toxins and heavy metals by detoxifying those chemicals. It is obtained from L-cysteine or N-acetyl cysteine.

Probiotics are very important in producting the B vitamins in the body; they also help with food assimilation. They may be taken in powdered or capsule form.

HERBAL RECOMMENDATIONS
Nervine herbs including hops,chamomile,scullcap,catnip,lavender,and spearmingt are very helpful as teas.

Alfafa tea is good for making the body more alkaline and balancing the blood sugar.

Parsley tea made from fresh organic parsley simmered in water alkalizes the body and clears the kidneys.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"